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Starting nightmare...
« on: 08 December 2009, 18:50:28 »

My tractor has recently become a nightmare to start, hot or cold.  It doesn't appear to matter what level of fuel I have in the tank either.

I can't feel any excess diesel around the injectors, so I don't feel it is the leak off hose.

Any ideas???
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Re: Starting nightmare...
« Reply #1 on: 08 December 2009, 19:37:06 »

i was having bother awhile ago. turned the key and it just made a whirring sound. in my case it was a starter motor. i took it out, cleaned & lubed it and no probs since. :y whats the symptoms with yours.
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Re: Starting nightmare...
« Reply #2 on: 09 December 2009, 10:52:41 »

The engine turns over, just not firing.  Seems very much like fuel starvation and it certainly seems to start easier with the nose pointing downhill, well, as much as possible in the fens... lol...
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Re: Starting nightmare...
« Reply #3 on: 09 December 2009, 21:28:43 »

fuel heater loose on the top of the filter it needs tightenng would guess if you have tried everything else? see poor mpg post for details

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Re: Starting nightmare...
« Reply #4 on: 11 December 2009, 21:24:40 »

Well,  I had to have the RAC out to me tonight as I couldn'y get the car started...

There was no fuel at the injectors at all and Easy Start wasn't starting it either.

So I guess it is down to the Electric Fuel Pump...  I'll check the filter first just to confirm though...

Is there the same access panel on the estate as there is on the Saloon???

Thanks...
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Re: Starting nightmare...
« Reply #5 on: 11 December 2009, 22:00:03 »

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Well,  I had to have the RAC out to me tonight as I couldn'y get the car started...

There was no fuel at the injectors at all and Easy Start wasn't starting it either.

So I guess it is down to the Electric Fuel Pump...  I'll check the filter first just to confirm though...

Is there the same access panel on the estate as there is on the Saloon???

Thanks...
Yes, access is the same.
If you look in 'Maintenance Guides' section, you'll find an excellent ditty there by Platty.
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Re: Starting nightmare...
« Reply #6 on: 11 December 2009, 22:14:23 »

Thank you...  I just hope that it is the fuel pump now...  I suspect it is...
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Re: Starting nightmare...
« Reply #7 on: 12 December 2009, 16:11:25 »

Well...  I have had the fuel pump out and cleaned it...  The plastic pipe was attached nicely and there wasn't too much gunk on the filter, but I cleaned it all anyway, checked it on the battery, where all appeared fine...

I refitted everything, bled the fuel back through and ran the car for a short while about 5-6 miles, enough to heat the engine nicely.  I revved the engine hard and shut the engine off..  I immediately retried to start it and again it is not firing...  Any ideas anyone???

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Re: Starting nightmare...
« Reply #8 on: 12 December 2009, 17:16:36 »

Remove the long brass banjo bolt at the top of the fuel filter. Be careful not to lose the two copper washers!
Turn the key to position 2, and you should now see a plentiful supply of diesel from the filter.
No fuel - the problem's aft of the filter.
Fuel - the problem's likely to be at the injection pump.
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Re: Starting nightmare...
« Reply #9 on: 12 December 2009, 18:23:26 »

Seems like you need the "hot start fix" £30 approx (fleabay). Done it to mine, now brill  :y Search on here for "hot start fix" to get more details  :y :y
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Re: Starting nightmare...
« Reply #10 on: 12 December 2009, 18:46:01 »

whens the last time you replaced the fuel filter. :question
I'd say air is getting in at or after the fuel filter.
check the rubber O ring at the top off the filter it could be burst.
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Re: Starting nightmare...
« Reply #11 on: 13 December 2009, 12:13:58 »

Fuel running nicely at the filter and I can clearly hear the Electric tank pump running nicely too... :)

I have a new filter to bung on it, except one of those copper seals jumped off the banjo bolt after I carefully forgot I put it in the box with the new filter for "safety" when I removed the new filter from the box.... :'(  Hopefully now though, I am on to a winner...
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Re: Starting nightmare...
« Reply #12 on: 13 December 2009, 19:35:42 »

New Filter is now fitted and the fuel is bled through fully..  The engine still will not fire up from the key, only from a tow start...  There is no performance loss even when accelerating very hard.

The engine Idles without any issues at around 600 rpm whihc is pretty much normal...

When the engine is shut off the engine will not fire up, even when immediately after stopping the engine...

I checked the filter preheater is tight, which it is, the fuel flows perfectly to the filter.

Just doesn't appear to have any fuel flow between the filter and the FIP...

Help...

Done paperclip test -

19      Incorrect RPM Signal
48      Battery Voltage Low
49      Glow Device General Error
64      Fuel Quantity Control Out of Range
92      Cruise Control Device Circuit Open Or Voltage High
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Re: Starting nightmare...
« Reply #13 on: 13 December 2009, 22:03:46 »

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fuel heater loose on the top of the filter it needs tightenng would guess if you have tried everything else? see poor mpg post for details

Whilst we're on the subject, there's no fuse fitted to mine. Hadn't noticed until I was checking the fuses after BBQ'ing my ECU last monday evening.
Not an issue as it starts instantly, hot or cold.  I was just curious as to whether it's fused along with something else on certain models.
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Re: Starting nightmare...
« Reply #14 on: 13 December 2009, 22:49:18 »

I checked the fuel heater when I did the filter, which seemed pretty tight, What I did notice though was there was very little flow at the injectors, I ended up having a tow start to "finalise" the bleed process.  I checked everything when the engine was running and I am fairly sure that there is no air in the circuit...   The only other thing I can try is to remove the Intake Manifold and make try to bleed the Injection pump, if it is possible...

Any Ideas???
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