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Unable to trace water leak
« on: 27 January 2010, 16:27:25 »

I have coolant dripping off the gearbox area and after carefull checking it is coming from somewhere? on the passenger side from the rear of the engine,as the oil filter canister and crank sensor are damp.
It is definatley coolant as the "taste test"identifies antifreeze.
I removed the wiper motor and carried out a thorough check of all visible pipework with a torch and mirror...hbv is bone dry and no stains from leakage,nor are any of the pipes damp.
Header tank looses about 50ml a day when driving usual 100 mile commute,so I am only topping up with 50/50 mix to maintain correct level.Only once has the low level come up so my action is keeping levels maintained.
When car was ticking over on driveway today small puddle appeared quite quickly but it is almost impossible to see much on the passenger side back due to firewall...any ideas please,as would like to plug this leak .
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Re: Unable to trace water leak
« Reply #1 on: 27 January 2010, 16:32:19 »

Heads on the V6 are known to leak rear corner on pass. side :'(
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Re: Unable to trace water leak
« Reply #2 on: 27 January 2010, 16:36:34 »

short of removing heads ,any potential fixes? as seems a mamoth amount of work against keeping an eye on the coolant level.
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Re: Unable to trace water leak
« Reply #3 on: 27 January 2010, 16:41:58 »

I would remove the plenum and inlet manifold then plug the two hoses to the throttle bodies and pressurise the cooling system to see if there are any leaks from the thermostat housing, coolant bridge, oil cooler plate and the hoses to the rear of the engine.
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Re: Unable to trace water leak
« Reply #4 on: 27 January 2010, 16:42:24 »

Hmm. Quite a few 1998 V6s seem to have failed in this area. :(

If it's not coming from any of the plumbing around the coolant bridge and not leaking from the oil cooler cover plate or thermostat housing and running back down the Vee my money is probably on the head gasket leaking round the back of the head.

TheBoy and a couple others have had exactly the same issue in the same place and on 1998 models. :'(

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Re: Unable to trace water leak
« Reply #5 on: 27 January 2010, 16:44:49 »

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Hmm. Quite a few 1998 V6s seem to have failed in this area. :(

If it's not coming from any of the plumbing around the coolant bridge and not leaking from the oil cooler cover plate or thermostat housing and running back down the Vee my money is probably on the head gasket leaking round the back of the head.

TheBoy and a couple others have had exactly the same issue in the same place and on 1998 models. :'(

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I could be wrong but I thought it was more the 3.0.
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Re: Unable to trace water leak
« Reply #6 on: 27 January 2010, 17:02:56 »

read your title and thought "bet its a 98" and it is...was also going to post most of whats been said already, but to add core plugs is also possible culpret.

As said its worth removing plenum, manifold. and plastic inlet wedge , while re moving as much as posdible around the back of pot 6 if you dont find anything in the v or back of the block...

the other option is a stop leak adative. Not recomended as it can block your cooling system and still not stop the leak if the hole is too big, but if its a core plug or hg the only alternative is to take the head off.

In short if it was me, and repair means heads off, stop leak it is and hope it lasts, esp if the mileage is aproaching 150k. :-/
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Re: Unable to trace water leak
« Reply #7 on: 27 January 2010, 17:03:53 »

Thanks for ideas,guys.

Think I will just live with it for a while as I  need car on a daily basis and its too cold and wet at the  moment to start major surgery.

Might even find Daz coming down my way in the Spring and he fancies a job........fingers crossed its the oil cooler plate needs sealing...if it does would it be better fitting new oil cooler and the bits,or just removing existing and resealing  ?
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Re: Unable to trace water leak
« Reply #8 on: 27 January 2010, 17:09:07 »

Chris......I have always avoided the coolant "snake oil additives"as very concerned they would block up more than they cure,but yes you are correct...mileage now just 150k and a 1998,but as cars condition is immaculate I have resisted numerous comments from SWMBO in doors to get another car
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Re: Unable to trace water leak
« Reply #9 on: 27 January 2010, 17:12:45 »

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Thanks for ideas,guys.

Think I will just live with it for a while as I  need car on a daily basis and its too cold and wet at the  moment to start major surgery;.

Might even find Daz coming down my way in the Spring and he fancies a job........fingers crossed its the oil cooler plate needs sealing...if it does would it be better fitting new oil cooler and the bits,or just removing existing and resealing  ?
depends if cooler is stainless, if so it should be fine i would think?

also i suppose it should be mentioned that if your hg is leaking exrenaly then it may well follow that the fire rings arent in good shape either and may well fail, possibly iminently? I would inspect it asap if poss. at least youll know where you stand, hopefully?
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Re: Unable to trace water leak
« Reply #10 on: 27 January 2010, 17:20:07 »

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Chris......I have always avoided the coolant "snake oil additives"as very concerned they would block up more than they cure,but yes you are correct...mileage now just 150k and a 1998,but as cars condition is immaculate I have resisted numerous comments from SWMBO in doors to get another car

i've used it on my old 99 cdx and it did work, Jimbob used it on his leaking core olug for up to a year i beleive, as said, last resort unless your happy to take the head off...def not snake oil.
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Re: Unable to trace water leak
« Reply #11 on: 27 January 2010, 17:23:41 »

Might resort to it then as due to age etc,not a viable option to remove cylinder heads even with the cars condition.
Any recos on best type of additive then ?
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Re: Unable to trace water leak
« Reply #12 on: 27 January 2010, 17:24:58 »

should add, as i understand it, blockages seem to occur when people use too much trying to bung too big a leak. One bottle per system.
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Re: Unable to trace water leak
« Reply #13 on: 27 January 2010, 17:29:47 »

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Might resort to it then as due to age etc,not a viable option to remove cylinder heads even with the cars condition.
Any recos on best type of additive then ?
i used Bars, Holts also. Both at Halfords.

Would def try to diagnose first though... :)
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Re: Unable to trace water leak
« Reply #14 on: 27 January 2010, 17:31:10 »

The leak is minor as coolant level has never gone beyond half way between min/max and as I am ontop of the checking I am not of the opinion it is a major concern...more an annoyance especially as it was not the usual culprit(hbv).
I had intended keeping the car for another year to 18 months due to financial restraints and unwillingness to buy another,so will do some research on best type of additive for coolant
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