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« on: 03 August 2010, 13:10:39 »
Hi folks,
I'm just wondering if anyone could help me on this,
I'm driving a bog standard 2.0 16v omega and after having an MV6 before i love big power in big cars so i'm wondering has anyone put a red top from the astra,calibra gsi into an omega and what are the pros and cons of same?
Thanks,
Brian
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« Reply #1 on: 03 August 2010, 13:21:10 »
Not sure its that simple being that the omega is a RWD and the cars you mentioned are FWD.  ::) ::)

Why not just buy a V6 version if you like the power pretty much everyone on here with a four pot didn't buy for its oomph ;D ;D
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« Reply #2 on: 03 August 2010, 14:36:26 »
i appreciate the RWD/FWD argument but not a major problem as nearly 99% of all mk2 escorts rallying are running xe engines so mountings etc not a problem but an omega would be a different kettle of fish!!

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Re: RED TOP
« Reply #3 on: 03 August 2010, 14:48:20 »
I'm sure there's a member running an Omega with a C20LET. :y

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Re: RED TOP
« Reply #4 on: 03 August 2010, 15:27:41 »
« Last Edit: 03 August 2010, 15:33:18 by Zulu77 »
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« Reply #5 on: 03 August 2010, 15:34:20 »
Not saying it won't work and to be honest i know nowt anyway but this is another from spud


http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1280779537

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« Reply #6 on: 03 August 2010, 15:44:19 »
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Not sure its that simple being that the omega is a RWD and the cars you mentioned are FWD.  ::) ::)

Why not just buy a V6 version if you like the power pretty much everyone on here with a four pot didn't buy for its oomph ;D ;D

There are certain disadvantages to driving large engined vehicles in the Republic of Ireland.

For new vehicles registered after July 2008

http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/MotorTaxRates/MotorTaxRatesbasedonCO2EmissionsEffectivefromthe1jan2009/

 For vehicles registered before then
 http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/MotorTaxRates/MotorTaxRatesBasedonEngineSize/
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Re: RED TOP
« Reply #7 on: 03 August 2010, 16:06:20 »
Now when you put it like that Z i can see 1566 disadvantages to owning a big 3.2 in the republic ;D ;D :y
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« Reply #8 on: 03 August 2010, 16:47:48 »
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There are certain disadvantages to driving large engined vehicles in the Republic of Ireland.

For new vehicles registered after July 2008

http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/MotorTaxRates/MotorTaxRatesbasedonCO2EmissionsEffectivefromthe1jan2009/

 For vehicles registered before then
 http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/MotorTaxRates/MotorTaxRatesBasedonEngineSize/


Making money like that you'd expect there to be some tarmac on their roads. :o

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« Reply #9 on: 03 August 2010, 17:04:39 »
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There are certain disadvantages to driving large engined vehicles in the Republic of Ireland.

For new vehicles registered after July 2008

http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/MotorTaxRates/MotorTaxRatesbasedonCO2EmissionsEffectivefromthe1jan2009/

 For vehicles registered before then
 http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/MotorTaxRates/MotorTaxRatesBasedonEngineSize/


Making money like that you'd expect there to be some tarmac on their roads. :o

Kevin


Now ya said it!!
Last v6 was over 1400 euro for 12 mths tax! around five yrs ago...

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« Reply #10 on: 03 August 2010, 19:31:30 »

Making money like that you'd expect there to be some tarmac on their roads. :o

Kevin

They've come over here with it to do your driveways  ;D
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Re: RED TOP
« Reply #11 on: 04 August 2010, 10:51:44 »
I was seriously considering the C20XE or C20LET a few years ago, when I had a 2.0 carlton. Never came to a realisation, thoug...

But I have learned that the C20XE is not the best choise for a heavy RWD car such as omega. If you compare X20XEV to C20XE, you will see that C20XE is more powerful (136 to 160bhp usually), but also aou must consider that X20XEV has more torque (210 Nm compared to 190 Nm in C20XE), especially in lower revs. Torque is important in heavy car.

It is not without a reason why the C20XE wasn't sold in a carlton. If you wanted economy and realibility, you could have a undestructable C20NE, and if you wanted power, you could have a 2.6i or 3.0i or 3.0i 24v. The low torque C20XE just wouldnt make much difference compared to C20NE in a heavy RWD car (propshaft eats some of the power).
I have explained this on a carlton, but it is the same thing with omega...

The only advantage with C20XE in power and performace over the X20XEV would be in high revs, bout you will alsto lose low revs driveability.

The real gain would be the C20LET, but it is not easy to fit one, because turbocharger interferes with engine mount. But at least, due to the RHD setup, the steering box is not in the way (in europe, this is one more problem).

Usuall problems with instaling C20XE or C20LET in a omega:
- exaust manifold interferes with engine mount (can be solved by adapting the X20XEV manifold in C20XE case)
- plastic SFI box might interfere with bonet - can be solved by installing a power cap
- ECU loom is to short, and directed in a wrong dirrection (towards the lihgts) - either lenghting the loom or puting the ecu in the bumper area.
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