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Re: still trying......
« Reply #15 on: 06 October 2010, 23:40:30 »

//squirting easy start around the engine bay made the revs rise//

Get some carb cleaner and try this again, to confirm that you have indeed sorted out the air leaks. My next step would be to double check the timing.

Edit: meant valve not ign. timing.
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« Reply #16 on: 07 October 2010, 00:57:16 »

Cheers for all the replies guys. Regarding the plumbing, the pics all correspond to what I have. So at least I know that's ok.

The servo keeps it's vacuum for days so I'm pretty sure that's ok. It was a bit slow to regain it's vac before I changed the pipe but it seems ok now. I've only driven it once and won't be again until it's fixed. No t&t for one thing and you have to keep your foot down to keep the thing running which is a bit hairy on the narrow country roads here.

The entire exhaust has been replaced from the manifold back, so pretty sure that's ok.

I'm gonna nip into my dads work on Friday to get bits for the other half's car so gonna get a few tins of carb cleaner anyway as I've run out. In my experience it's something that's Essential when you own this engine!

How do I go about checking the ignition timing?  It seems the likely fault to me but it surely would have been picked up by the diagnostic computer when I had it plugged in.

It seems to me a complete engine swap would just be so much easier! If anyone has one spare nearby gimme a shout!

Cheers again, gill
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Re: still trying......
« Reply #17 on: 07 October 2010, 01:40:54 »

Details for valve timing.   Ign. timing as said earlier is controlled by the ecu.

From TIS 2000 short vers.  You will need the locking tool.

Cambelt cover off
At fastening bolt of cambelt drive gear, turn crankshaft in engine rotational direction to "1st Cylinder TDC " (marking 2).

Simultaneously, the notches on the camshaft sprockets must align with the marks (1) on the cylinder head cover (it must be possible to insert Locking Tool KM-853 in this position). If not timing is  out. Turn crankshaft slowly and uniformly.



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Re: still trying......
« Reply #18 on: 07 October 2010, 12:04:18 »

ah i didn't see your edit there, got a little confused.  I have checked and double checked the valve timing it's definately correct.  All timing marks line up when no1 is at tdc.  I'll take a couple of pics to verify.

i just don't understand what else there is to check or replace except the whole damn engine.
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Re: still trying......
« Reply #19 on: 07 October 2010, 13:22:35 »

I have a fully-functional whole car - 2.0 auto V-plate. engine really good - I want £500 for the car, but would part it out if it would help.

let me know if some or all of it would be of use to you.
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« Reply #20 on: 07 October 2010, 13:32:30 »

The engine would be lovely, though I think you might be a little far away for it to be economically viable. That said I have no idea how much carriage would cost.

I'm really at a loss as to what else I can try to make the one I have work.  Annoyingly it's only done 60'000 miles and the car itself is flawless.

The only other thing is to replace the loom, egr, vent valve etc and Maybe even the manifold again. That way all the parts thAt could be suspect will be replaced.....
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Re: still trying......
« Reply #21 on: 07 October 2010, 13:33:15 »

Please feel free to call me names if this suggestion is stupid, but could the Inlet Manifold be warped? I am assuming here that the manifold gasket is sound & all studs/bolts are present & torqued correctly.  :-/
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Re: still trying......
« Reply #22 on: 07 October 2010, 13:38:49 »

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The engine would be lovely, though I think you might be a little far away for it to be economically viable. That said I have no idea how much carriage would cost.

I'm really at a loss as to what else I can try to make the one I have work.  Annoyingly it's only done 60'000 miles and the car itself is flawless.

The only other thing is to replace the loom, egr, vent valve etc and Maybe even the manifold again. That way all the parts thAt could be suspect will be replaced.....

the car itself is MOT'd taxed, etc.how about I deliver you the whole car for £500 - you can do whatever you want with it then.
( Time is the big issue at the monent - I really don't have the time to strip it )
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« Reply #23 on: 07 October 2010, 18:58:15 »

I tried a different manifold on it already. Granted it was off a vectra but it ran exactly the same with that manifold.

Just thought actually. My dad spoke to a mechanic that had worked on it for the po and apparently the exhaust was glowing red hot before it was swapped. Dont know if that would have any bearing on things.

That's a very generous offer to deliver the car but I doubt my finances would stretch that far to be honest. I've just taken a fairly hefty pay cut so things are pretty tight. I'll definately run it past the other half though as incould probably make a good bit back breaking it. I'll pm you as soon as I know.

Cheers again gill
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« Reply #24 on: 07 October 2010, 19:10:16 »

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I tried a different manifold on it already. Granted it was off a vectra but it ran exactly the same with that manifold.

Just thought actually. My dad spoke to a mechanic that had worked on it for the po and apparently the exhaust was glowing red hot before it was swapped. Dont know if that would have any bearing on things.

That's a very generous offer to deliver the car but I doubt my finances would stretch that far to be honest. I've just taken a fairly hefty pay cut so things are pretty tight. I'll definately run it past the other half though as incould probably make a good bit back breaking it. I'll pm you as soon as I know.

Cheers again gill

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Re: still trying......
« Reply #25 on: 07 October 2010, 19:16:51 »

Even so, I don't think an NA exhaust on a road car should be glowing - the EGT shouldn't be high enough I wouldn't have thought.. I suppose it depends how brightly it was glowing - cherry red (properly glowing) would be 8-900C.

Backfiring out of the intake and a glowing exhaust? Still sounds like ignition timing to me - hugely retarded would push EGTs up and hugely advanced would fire out the intake ..

Forgive me if I missed it but as this is a I4 - have you changed the cam sensor? Or did we already suggest that? (The royal 'we' of OOF that is  ;D)
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« Reply #26 on: 07 October 2010, 19:42:34 »

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Even so, I don't think an NA exhaust on a road car should be glowing - the EGT shouldn't be high enough I wouldn't have thought.. I suppose it depends how brightly it was glowing - cherry red (properly glowing) would be 8-900C.

Backfiring out of the intake and a glowing exhaust? Still sounds like ignition timing to me - hugely retarded would push EGTs up and hugely advanced would fire out the intake ..

Forgive me if I missed it but as this is a I4 - have you changed the cam sensor? Or did we already suggest that? (The royal 'we' of OOF that is  ;D)



No mention of it anywhere, and possibly a prime suspect.   ;D
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« Reply #27 on: 07 October 2010, 21:42:35 »

Can't say the cam sensor is something I'd thought of although i did ask the guy that did the diagnostic if the readings he got for the cam and crank sensors looked normal.

Not sure if ive mentioned on this thread that the eml doesn't light up at any time except ignition on with the engine off which Is normal.

I'm goin to get some bits for the other cars tomorrow so il see if my dad has any cam sensors in stock that I can try on it. I was supposed to be going today so just as well o didn't manage.

Cheers again gill
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« Reply #28 on: 07 October 2010, 21:51:34 »

Is there any chance you could take a sound-recording/video of it runnnig?  Might enable someone to recognise the misbehaviour by the noise patterns?
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« Reply #29 on: 07 October 2010, 22:44:28 »

that's a good idea. will set about that tomorrow. the mother in law is away with the good camera, but i should be able to get something half decent with the phone.
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