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handbrake question
« on: 30 November 2010, 13:02:46 »

On last MOT the guy told me there is a difference between rear wheels braking on handbrake.
I gues this means I will need new handbrake shoes?
Will also anything else need to be changed along with them?
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« Reply #1 on: 30 November 2010, 13:05:16 »

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On last MOT the guy told me there is a difference between rear wheels braking on handbrake.
I gues this means I will need new handbrake shoes?
Will also anything else need to be changed along with them?


Not necessarily.  It could well mean that the balance between the two sides is out, which is very common.

You need to follow the guide on handbrake adjustment to the letter and it should sort the problem out.  Whilst doing that you can inspect the shoes for wear ;) ;)


Here you are: http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152564750
« Last Edit: 30 November 2010, 13:06:19 by Lizzie_Zoom »
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Re: handbrake question
« Reply #2 on: 30 November 2010, 13:08:50 »

more likely that it just needs adjusting!
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Re: handbrake question
« Reply #3 on: 30 November 2010, 13:51:41 »

Ok thanks for the info, guess this will be for the garage cause don't have the place to do it.
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Re: handbrake question
« Reply #4 on: 30 November 2010, 14:17:18 »

As lizzie say's or alternitavely remove one lug bolt from each rear wheel, jack up rear of car, turn wheel (each side) until lug hole lines up with star adjuster (use bright torch to see) and simply turn star adjuster with long flat head screw driver through the lug hole (each side) until it stops, check that the wheel won't turn (then you know you turned the adjuster the right way) if not, turn in other direction until wheel won't turn, then simply back off each star adjuster about 3 or 4 filcks of the screw driver until wheel is free moving & you should find your handbrake pulls firm on about 3 clicks. Of course, if you like it higher (5-6 clicks) then just give each star adjuster a few more flicks until your happy.. Saves any strip down & all you need is a Jack; axle stands or similar, 17mm wrench for lug bolts & screw driver. Takes about 15-20 minutes. Tried & tested with perfect results  ;) It's what any honest mechanic would do! good luck with it.  Be warned, most garages will remove the road wheels, remove calipers & strip the drums before making this adjustment, then charge you £50+ for doing the job  >:(

Second picture from bottom on the guide will help (except your going through the wheel too).

The adjuster is designed to be accessible through the wheel & disc for a good reason  ;)
« Last Edit: 30 November 2010, 14:30:39 by silvercross1 »
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Re: handbrake question
« Reply #5 on: 30 November 2010, 14:43:53 »

Thanks valve, this I could do on the parking lot easily.
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Re: handbrake question
« Reply #6 on: 30 November 2010, 14:55:14 »

your welcome... a real mechanic showed me how to do this, following lots of money previously wasted on handbrake adjustments  ;)
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« Reply #7 on: 30 November 2010, 15:03:45 »

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your welcome... a real mechanic showed me how to do this, following lots of money previously wasted on handbrake adjustments  ;)


The only trouble is though that if the handbrake cable yoke is not aligned properly, with the cables 'balanced', along with it not being fully greased, you may still end up with a bad adjuctment.  Because of that I didn't think such shortcuts were a good option ;)
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Re: handbrake question
« Reply #8 on: 30 November 2010, 15:06:55 »

just for the record, the cable adjuster should only be used for taking slack out of the cable, never to adjust the hand brake shoes' biting point... hope that helps.
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Re: handbrake question
« Reply #9 on: 30 November 2010, 15:13:50 »

It's not a shortcut lizzie, it's how to adjust the shoes properly without an overhaul... like anything, if you have further problems then you may need to investigate other suspect areas; siezure, alignment etc.. You don't need to strip your car down, just to adjust a handbrake. It's what I'd call sensible process of elimination.  But I respect your opinion nevertheless.
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« Reply #10 on: 30 November 2010, 15:18:24 »

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It's not a shortcut lizzie, it how to adjust the shoes properly without an overhall... like anything, if you have further problems then you may need to investigate other suspect areas; siezure, alignment etc.. You don't need to strip your car down, just to adjust a handbrake. It's what I'd call sensible process of elimination.  But I respect your opinion nevertheless.


No, it's not just my opinion.   The OOF guide needs to be followed to the letter for a proper adjustment of the handrake system, which very importantly includes the first step of slakening the yoke and handbrake cables.  This allows for the correct adjustment of the handbrake shoes at the wheels ;) ;)
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Re: handbrake question
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Re: handbrake question
« Reply #12 on: 30 November 2010, 15:35:01 »

lizzie the guide is "Servicing the rear disc and parking brakes" I thought matt wanted to adjust his parking brake? He will find that one star wheel is a little siezed and needs a squirt of WD and then he can adjust the shoes as necessary. If he want to fully service the discs, shoes, brakes, cable etc. then of course the guide may be helpful. I'm not gonna have a handbrake arguement, I've done everything you can possibly do with the whole parking brake system on the Omega, so I'll let matt decide.  Thought I might save him a totally unecessary PITA job & some money? Would you strip your engine down to change a spark plug, just to check everthing else is ok? probably not. BTW the guide say's to use the cable adjuster to adjust the bite... whooooops  :(
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« Reply #13 on: 30 November 2010, 15:36:35 »

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Here you go  ;)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152564750


There is an echo here Pete ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I did put that link up in my first post on this thread :D :D ;)
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« Reply #14 on: 30 November 2010, 15:38:18 »

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lizzie the guide is "Servicing the rear disc and parking brakes" I thought matt wanted to adjust his parking brake? He will find that one star wheel is a little siezed and needs a squirt of WD and then he can adjust the shoes as necessary. If he want to fully service the discs, shoes, brakes, cable etc. then of course the guide may be helpful. I'm not gonna have a handbrake arguement, I've done everything you can possibly do with the whole parking brake system on the Omega, so I'll let matt decide.  Thought I might save him a totally unecessary PITA job & some money? Would you strip your engine down to change a spark plug, just to check everthing else is ok? probably not. BTW the guide say's to use the cable adjuster to adjust the bite... whooooops  :(


Fair comment 24 Valve :y :y :y

We both have different experiences with the Omega brakes / handbrake of course :D :D ;)
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