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One of the reasons I went for LPG was towing, it was bad enough with the 2.0 and I always use a lot of fuel oon the Exeter - Truro section, and very little on the Briston Exeter section

Briston - http://www.briston.plus.com/briston/homepage.htm

[tunnie]

In fact...........498,000 Touring caravans owned
112,000 mobile homes.

Thats big business, including statics 400,000,

Carvans damage the environment!

HOw?

And what about package holiday jets?

Very Simple.

If i decide to go to the lake district on a little holiday, with a tent and a sleeping bag in the boot. I will average 30mpg, if not better around 33mpg.

Dragging a burger van you will no do better than 15mpg.

So taking a caravan your putting twice as much pollution into the air.

A car is most economic at 60/70mph depending on the engine, a car will use more fuel doing 40/50mph.... now i have never been behind a caravan that does more than 45mph on an A road... its got a chain of cars behind it, all doing lower speeds, polluting more and more.... if they had been doing 60, they would be far more economical.

Then you have all the cars overtaking using more fuel....

Lets say you do a 400 mile round trip for your holidays...

400 Miles doing 15mpg you will need 26.6 gallons of fuel. At LPG costs say £2.50 a gallon thats = £66

400 miles doing 30mpg you will need just 13.3 gallons of fuel... At Petrol prices say £5 gallon thats = £66 again...

So to get to your place of where ever you are going, it costs the same to get there! But you have polluted 50% less!

Granted LPG does not pump out as much CO2 as petrol, but very few burger van pulling cars are LPG converted, they are mostly 4x4 tractors

[VXL V6]

Each to their own I say........ But the debate is interesting!


.....So i'll sit back, eat popcorn and watch the debate!


 

[Golfbuddy]

2[/sub] out of the back of a Boeing 747??? No comparison.

Cost of staying at a campsite for 14 nights compared to a hotel??? No comparison.

Carbon footprint of caravanning compared to staying at a hotel with it's 24 hour lighting, air conditioning, heating, refrigeration, laundry??? No comparison.

It is true that some drivers are inconsiderate and hold traffic up. This does not mean that all people who tow caravans are the same. Many of us will pull over, when safe to do so, and allow other traffic to pass.

Caravanning is not for everyone, thank God. Just as playing computer games is not for everyone. Just as driving everywhere at illegal speeds is not for everyone. Just as a lot of other things are not for everyone.

We caravanners are quite happy to be the butt of the joke but lets not lose sight of the facts.  

Well said Martin.................

Why, thank you Pete.  

[miggy]

2[/sub] out of the back of a Boeing 747??? No comparison.

Cost of staying at a campsite for 14 nights compared to a hotel??? No comparison.

Carbon footprint of caravanning compared to staying at a hotel with it's 24 hour lighting, air conditioning, heating, refrigeration, laundry??? No comparison.

It is true that some drivers are inconsiderate and hold traffic up. This does not mean that all people who tow caravans are the same. Many of us will pull over, when safe to do so, and allow other traffic to pass.

Caravanning is not for everyone, thank God. Just as playing computer games is not for everyone. Just as driving everywhere at illegal speeds is not for everyone. Just as a lot of other things are not for everyone.

We caravanners are quite happy to be the butt of the joke but lets not lose sight of the facts.  

Well said Martin.................

Why, thank you Pete.  

No probs.............oh and the touring caravan industry is increasing, the industry shows a 20% increase in sales in the month of december.

[tunnie]

taking a carvan is great if you like the style of holiday, but what gets me is the saving money aspect & the 'cheap' holidays, because they are just not!!

I have shown above that it costs the same to get to a place in a regular car vs burger van.

Say you go and buy a brand new caravan costs £10,000....

Sell it in 5 years time for £5,000.... which is more than generous!

Its going to cost you £1,000 per year in depreciation alone!!!

Then you have to store it... £300 a year?

Insure it? £300 a year

Maintain it? Service? £150 a year

So its going to cost you almost £1,800 per year just to have it.....

You can have a lot of holidays in the UK for 1.8k!

[Martin_1962]

In fact...........498,000 Touring caravans owned
112,000 mobile homes.

Thats big business, including statics 400,000,

Carvans damage the environment!

HOw?

And what about package holiday jets?

Very Simple.

If i decide to go to the lake district on a little holiday, with a tent and a sleeping bag in the boot. I will average 30mpg, if not better around 33mpg.

Dragging a burger van you will no do better than 15mpg.

So taking a caravan your putting twice as much pollution into the air.

A car is most economic at 60/70mph depending on the engine, a car will use more fuel doing 40/50mph.... now i have never been behind a caravan that does more than 45mph on an A road... its got a chain of cars behind it, all doing lower speeds, polluting more and more.... if they had been doing 60, they would be far more economical.

Then you have all the cars overtaking using more fuel....

Lets say you do a 400 mile round trip for your holidays...

400 Miles doing 15mpg you will need 26.6 gallons of fuel. At LPG costs say £2.50 a gallon thats = £66

400 miles doing 30mpg you will need just 13.3 gallons of fuel... At Petrol prices say £5 gallon thats = £66 again...

So to get to your place of where ever you are going, it costs the same to get there! But you have polluted 50% less!

Granted LPG does not pump out as much CO2 as petrol, but very few burger van pulling cars are LPG converted, they are mostly 4x4 tractors

I do 60 on A roads - I don't hold people up. Also 11 was a worst case not an average case.

Anyway I have 3 children so we need the room and the facilities, we cannot afford even B&B holidays, Sue doesn't like tents.

A lot of vans are pulled by LPG cars - you just don't notice them - I'd say that a lot of V8 Range Rovers are converted.

£2.50 tp the gallon - I filled up at 46p yesterday that is £2.08 even at 50p it is 2.27 - petrol - well I put £5 in today - 4.55l nearly £5 a gallon, can't see my car doing twice the economy without a van.

[cem_devecioglu]

As for my consumption - I do tend to keep to road limits when safe, and also I don't slow for hills, the 11mpg was acheived with the aid of lots of hills and a head wind

rather hell..11mpg in the 2.6 whilst towing...................thats it the caravan is going i aint towed with mine as yet, having the tow bar fitted in Feb, but if thats all to expect from the milage.......forget it.

20-30mph head winds, flat out up steep hills, stop start through Truro on LPG - anyway at 45p a litre or so does it matter?

Works out as around 13 on petrol and without the wind is a lot better.

Point is your still getting 11mpg! which is 22mpg petrol costs....

For me this just makes taking a caravan pointless!!

Everyone is banging on about CO2 emmisions, 4x4's that do 25mpg.... no one has mentioned people towing burger vans doing 11mpg!!

Drive to a hotel in a normal car doing 35mpg.... money save on fuel goes toward the hotel bill!

Hmmm, 22 mpg compared to the CO₂ out of the back of a Boeing 747??? No comparison.

Cost of staying at a campsite for 14 nights compared to a hotel??? No comparison.

Carbon footprint of caravanning compared to staying at a hotel with it's 24 hour lighting, air conditioning, heating, refrigeration, laundry??? No comparison.

It is true that some drivers are inconsiderate and hold traffic up. This does not mean that all people who tow caravans are the same. Many of us will pull over, when safe to do so, and allow other traffic to pass.

Caravanning is not for everyone, thank God. Just as playing computer games is not for everyone. Just as driving everywhere at illegal speeds is not for everyone. Just as a lot of other things are not for everyone.

We caravanners are quite happy to be the butt of the joke but lets not lose sight of the facts.  

 

[Martin_1962]

taking a carvan is great if you like the style of holiday, but what gets me is the saving money aspect & the 'cheap' holidays, because they are just not!!

I have shown above that it costs the same to get to a place in a regular car vs burger van.

Say you go and buy a brand new caravan costs £10,000....

Sell it in 5 years time for £5,000.... which is more than generous!

Its going to cost you £1,000 per year in depreciation alone!!!

Then you have to store it... £300 a year?

Insure it? £300 a year

Maintain it? Service? £150 a year

So its going to cost you almost £1,800 per year just to have it.....

You can have a lot of holidays in the UK for 1.8k!

£8000 new, 20 year life span - and it was from money left to a relative.

£300 storage now - used to be £240 - considering bringing it home.

Insurance - not sure.

Can be used up to 4 weeks plus weekends

[Golfbuddy]

In fact...........498,000 Touring caravans owned
112,000 mobile homes.

Thats big business, including statics 400,000,

Carvans damage the environment!

HOw?

And what about package holiday jets?

Very Simple.

If i decide to go to the lake district on a little holiday, with a tent and a sleeping bag in the boot. I will average 30mpg, if not better around 33mpg.

Dragging a burger van you will no do better than 15mpg.

So taking a caravan your putting twice as much pollution into the air.

A car is most economic at 60/70mph depending on the engine, a car will use more fuel doing 40/50mph.... now i have never been behind a caravan that does more than 45mph on an A road... its got a chain of cars behind it, all doing lower speeds, polluting more and more.... if they had been doing 60, they would be far more economical.

Then you have all the cars overtaking using more fuel....

Lets say you do a 400 mile round trip for your holidays...

400 Miles doing 15mpg you will need 26.6 gallons of fuel. At LPG costs say £2.50 a gallon thats = £66

400 miles doing 30mpg you will need just 13.3 gallons of fuel... At Petrol prices say £5 gallon thats = £66 again...

So to get to your place of where ever you are going, it costs the same to get there! But you have polluted 50% less!

Granted LPG does not pump out as much CO2 as petrol, but very few burger van pulling cars are LPG converted, they are mostly 4x4 tractors

Hmmm, try to do that with a wife and three kids??

When I was your age, I wouldn't have dreamed of owning a caravan. I had no need for one, I was quite happy to sleep in the car, or in a little tent, or on someone's floor. When I got a little older, I could afford to stay in nice hotels with the wife. When the children came along, it meant that we would have needed two hotel rooms and everything gets more expensive.

As you get older, your priorities change. You have to start thinking about other people rather than yourself. As I said above, if I am holding up traffic, I will pull over when it's safe to do so. Even if that's every five or ten miles.

The real polluters are those that insist on driving everywhere at 80+ MPH and everywhere at over 4,500 revs. Also, those that need to go off to foreign climbs every year.

Each to their own, I have no quarrel with people who want to live their lives like that, I just wish others would be as tolerant.  

[tunnie]

As for my consumption - I do tend to keep to road limits when safe, and also I don't slow for hills, the 11mpg was acheived with the aid of lots of hills and a head wind

rather hell..11mpg in the 2.6 whilst towing...................thats it the caravan is going i aint towed with mine as yet, having the tow bar fitted in Feb, but if thats all to expect from the milage.......forget it.

20-30mph head winds, flat out up steep hills, stop start through Truro on LPG - anyway at 45p a litre or so does it matter?

Works out as around 13 on petrol and without the wind is a lot better.

Point is your still getting 11mpg! which is 22mpg petrol costs....

For me this just makes taking a caravan pointless!!

Everyone is banging on about CO2 emmisions, 4x4's that do 25mpg.... no one has mentioned people towing burger vans doing 11mpg!!

Drive to a hotel in a normal car doing 35mpg.... money save on fuel goes toward the hotel bill!

Hmmm, 22 mpg compared to the CO₂ out of the back of a Boeing 747??? No comparison.

Cost of staying at a campsite for 14 nights compared to a hotel??? No comparison.

Carbon footprint of caravanning compared to staying at a hotel with it's 24 hour lighting, air conditioning, heating, refrigeration, laundry??? No comparison.

It is true that some drivers are inconsiderate and hold traffic up. This does not mean that all people who tow caravans are the same. Many of us will pull over, when safe to do so, and allow other traffic to pass.

Caravanning is not for everyone, thank God. Just as playing computer games is not for everyone. Just as driving everywhere at illegal speeds is not for everyone. Just as a lot of other things are not for everyone.

We caravanners are quite happy to be the butt of the joke but lets not lose sight of the facts.  

 

You take a Boeing 747 on your UK Holidays?

[Golfbuddy]

As for my consumption - I do tend to keep to road limits when safe, and also I don't slow for hills, the 11mpg was acheived with the aid of lots of hills and a head wind

rather hell..11mpg in the 2.6 whilst towing...................thats it the caravan is going i aint towed with mine as yet, having the tow bar fitted in Feb, but if thats all to expect from the milage.......forget it.

20-30mph head winds, flat out up steep hills, stop start through Truro on LPG - anyway at 45p a litre or so does it matter?

Works out as around 13 on petrol and without the wind is a lot better.

Point is your still getting 11mpg! which is 22mpg petrol costs....

For me this just makes taking a caravan pointless!!

Everyone is banging on about CO2 emmisions, 4x4's that do 25mpg.... no one has mentioned people towing burger vans doing 11mpg!!

Drive to a hotel in a normal car doing 35mpg.... money save on fuel goes toward the hotel bill!

Hmmm, 22 mpg compared to the CO₂ out of the back of a Boeing 747??? No comparison.

Cost of staying at a campsite for 14 nights compared to a hotel??? No comparison.

Carbon footprint of caravanning compared to staying at a hotel with it's 24 hour lighting, air conditioning, heating, refrigeration, laundry??? No comparison.

It is true that some drivers are inconsiderate and hold traffic up. This does not mean that all people who tow caravans are the same. Many of us will pull over, when safe to do so, and allow other traffic to pass.

Caravanning is not for everyone, thank God. Just as playing computer games is not for everyone. Just as driving everywhere at illegal speeds is not for everyone. Just as a lot of other things are not for everyone.

We caravanners are quite happy to be the butt of the joke but lets not lose sight of the facts.  

 

You take a Boeing 747 on your UK Holidays?

Errr, No.  :-/

[tunnie]

As for my consumption - I do tend to keep to road limits when safe, and also I don't slow for hills, the 11mpg was acheived with the aid of lots of hills and a head wind

rather hell..11mpg in the 2.6 whilst towing...................thats it the caravan is going i aint towed with mine as yet, having the tow bar fitted in Feb, but if thats all to expect from the milage.......forget it.

20-30mph head winds, flat out up steep hills, stop start through Truro on LPG - anyway at 45p a litre or so does it matter?

Works out as around 13 on petrol and without the wind is a lot better.

Point is your still getting 11mpg! which is 22mpg petrol costs....

For me this just makes taking a caravan pointless!!

Everyone is banging on about CO2 emmisions, 4x4's that do 25mpg.... no one has mentioned people towing burger vans doing 11mpg!!

Drive to a hotel in a normal car doing 35mpg.... money save on fuel goes toward the hotel bill!

Hmmm, 22 mpg compared to the CO₂ out of the back of a Boeing 747??? No comparison.

Cost of staying at a campsite for 14 nights compared to a hotel??? No comparison.

Carbon footprint of caravanning compared to staying at a hotel with it's 24 hour lighting, air conditioning, heating, refrigeration, laundry??? No comparison.

It is true that some drivers are inconsiderate and hold traffic up. This does not mean that all people who tow caravans are the same. Many of us will pull over, when safe to do so, and allow other traffic to pass.

Caravanning is not for everyone, thank God. Just as playing computer games is not for everyone. Just as driving everywhere at illegal speeds is not for everyone. Just as a lot of other things are not for everyone.

We caravanners are quite happy to be the butt of the joke but lets not lose sight of the facts.  

 

You take a Boeing 747 on your UK Holidays?

Errr, No.  :-/

Exactly we are talking about UK holidays? Thats what caravans are mainly used for...

Holidays in the far east or west are a differnt kettle of fish

[miggy]

taking a carvan is great if you like the style of holiday, but what gets me is the saving money aspect & the 'cheap' holidays, because they are just not!!

I have shown above that it costs the same to get to a place in a regular car vs burger van.

Say you go and buy a brand new caravan costs £10,000....

Sell it in 5 years time for £5,000.... which is more than generous!

Its going to cost you £1,000 per year in depreciation alone!!!

Then you have to store it... £300 a year?

Insure it? £300 a year

Maintain it? Service? £150 a year

So its going to cost you almost £1,800 per year just to have it.....

You can have a lot of holidays in the UK for 1.8k!

Van cost £10,000 in 2002, she would still sell at £7500 now, fact

Storage cost me £120 per year under cover

yearly service cost me £80

Insurance cost me £132 per year

 

[tunnie]

taking a carvan is great if you like the style of holiday, but what gets me is the saving money aspect & the 'cheap' holidays, because they are just not!!

I have shown above that it costs the same to get to a place in a regular car vs burger van.

Say you go and buy a brand new caravan costs £10,000....

Sell it in 5 years time for £5,000.... which is more than generous!

Its going to cost you £1,000 per year in depreciation alone!!!

Then you have to store it... £300 a year?

Insure it? £300 a year

Maintain it? Service? £150 a year

So its going to cost you almost £1,800 per year just to have it.....

You can have a lot of holidays in the UK for 1.8k!

Van cost £10,000 in 2002, she would still sell at £7500 now, fact

Storage cost me £120 per year under cover

yearly service cost me £80

Insurance cost me £132 per year

 

So roughly thats £900 a year just to own it.... then you got to pay to get where you going and pay to stay there.

£900 gets a lot of hotel rooms or apartments!