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[Kevin Wood]

I have KU31s on at the moment and am happy with them but it will be interesting to see how Kumho's latest offerings compare.

Excellent for the money and quite good in the overall scheme of things, IMHO.

I remember not being that confident with them when they were new but that seems no longer to be a problem.

[Lazydocker]

I have KU31s on at the moment and am happy with them but it will be interesting to see how Kumho's latest offerings compare.

Excellent for the money and quite good in the overall scheme of things, IMHO.

I remember not being that confident with them when they were new but that seems no longer to be a problem.

Certainly no confidence issues on the way to the Hampshire meet

[feeutfo]

I have KU31s on at the moment and am happy with them but it will be interesting to see how Kumho's latest offerings compare.

Excellent for the money and quite good in the overall scheme of things, IMHO.

I remember not being that confident with them when they were new but that seems no longer to be a problem.

Certainly no confidence issues on the way to the Hampshire meet

But what sort of confidence...? :-/ 

[Lazydocker]

I have KU31s on at the moment and am happy with them but it will be interesting to see how Kumho's latest offerings compare.

Excellent for the money and quite good in the overall scheme of things, IMHO.

I remember not being that confident with them when they were new but that seems no longer to be a problem.

Certainly no confidence issues on the way to the Hampshire meet

But what sort of confidence...? :-/ 

Can't answer that as I was in the chase car following in my car

[TheBoy]

Different car I know, but slapped ku31's on the rover this week, wasn't happy at all initially, but now the sheen is wearing off, it is starting to show signs of grip, time will tell.

This is the car previously shod with p6000 very successfully

As said, different car, different charateristics. On omega, I found ku31s to not give huge feedback, but these were other members cars, so not sure how old/previous driving style. And contrary to popular belief, I respect other peoples cars

[feeutfo]

I have KU31s on at the moment and am happy with them but it will be interesting to see how Kumho's latest offerings compare.

Excellent for the money and quite good in the overall scheme of things, IMHO.

I remember not being that confident with them when they were new but that seems no longer to be a problem.

Certainly no confidence issues on the way to the Hampshire meet

But what sort of confidence...? :-/ 

Can't answer that as I was in the chase car following in my car

Oh that sort, thought maybe you where in the car with him experiencing the other sort. .  . 

[tonyyeb]

Tyre chat seems to come up a lot on here, and it's always interesting to read. I read carefully on here before choosing Continental Sport Contact 2's for the fronts on my Elite, and the car feels good on them.
As others have said, a lot depends on driving style, but I think with any low-profile tyre on a large heavy car like the Omega (most especially the Elite, with all those additional electric motors to haul around!), tread depth is actually the vital thing. Don't let them get below 4mm - even the best premium brand tyre will convey a feeling of nervousness to the driver below that point.

[Mr Gav]

Tyre chat seems to come up a lot on here, and it's always interesting to read. I read carefully on here before choosing Continental Sport Contact 2's for the fronts on my Elite, and the car feels good on them.
As others have said, a lot depends on driving style, but I think with any low-profile tyre on a large heavy car like the Omega (most especially the Elite, with all those additional electric motors to haul around!), tread depth is actually the vital thing. Don't let them get below 4mm - even the best premium brand tyre will convey a feeling of nervousness to the driver below that point.

Continental Sport Contact 3`s came tops in EVO and Autocar tyre test`s last year, thats what I`ll be putting on next.

[TheBoy]

Tyre chat seems to come up a lot on here, and it's always interesting to read. I read carefully on here before choosing Continental Sport Contact 2's for the fronts on my Elite, and the car feels good on them.
As others have said, a lot depends on driving style, but I think with any low-profile tyre on a large heavy car like the Omega (most especially the Elite, with all those additional electric motors to haul around!), tread depth is actually the vital thing. Don't let them get below 4mm - even the best premium brand tyre will convey a feeling of nervousness to the driver below that point.

Continental Sport Contact 3`s came tops in EVO and Autocar tyre test`s last year, thats what I`ll be putting on next.

Trouble with those tyre tests, assuming they are independent (), is they are testing on other cars than may well respond better to a particular tyre.

In the case of my MV6, I preferred the SC2 over the SC3, due to better grip and feedback  :-/ - though I preferred the now obselete Dunlop SP9000 to either...

[feeutfo]

Tread depth is an interesting part of it as said. How the tyre behaves as they wear over the last part of it's life is equally important as the start, and IMO is why nobody should form an opinion of a tyre until they are worn out.

My theory as to why, trailing arm suspension on the back works quite differently to mcphearson strut suspension on the front, camber seems to deflect a lot more on the front than the back because of these two designs. Add in the job of steering on the front only, and power driving the rear only, all conspire to wear the tyres in very different ways. Fronts loose the edges first and give a rounder profile, where as rears wear the middles flat as if over inflated giving the exact opposite profile.

Why is this relevant to tyre choice? Not all tyres behave the same under such wear, some handle it better than others possibly due to construction. And has been a major lesson learned in my much bemoaned Falken disaster. When new they where ok in the stability dept, not good, but merely ok! Still thought the wishbone bushes where buggered tbh but they point is they are a less stable tyre generally.
  So add in the tyre wear characteristics of the car previously mentioned, in my case Elite suspension which is soft which will allow camber angles to deflect even more exaggerating that wear difference front to back, and an enthusiastic driving style pushing the suspension movement and hence camber deflection further still, and the end result for a tyre can mean binning them with 3 or 4 mill of tread left as the car simply will not go in a straight line.

Don't get me wrong falkens are not the only tyres to reach their level of poor handling(comparatively speaking of course), ask TB after his " something's broken, as if disconnected" concerns before changing tyres and the problem vanished. The point is at what stage do they reach this unusable level and they just have to be changed because they bother drives so badly?

From my experience, I would suggest, once again,  the tyre wear and resulting handling degradation to be totally unacceptable on Falkens ESP the 912... But then I really should say similar of the suspension as well, and admit, bought the wrong tyre. 

[Shimmy]

Yeah I'd agree tyre wear and tread depth plays a part.

I think 1.6mm is too low really, in Germany it's 3-4mm iirc which is more sensible.

[feeutfo]

Yeah I'd agree tyre wear and tread depth plays a part.

I think 1.6mm is too low really, in Germany it's 3-4mm iirc which is more sensible.

Re handling seems to me it depends on the tyre, and by handling I mean straight line stability specifically. I guess ze Germanz have their autobahn related reasons...?

Mot and tread depths are the absolute base level IMO. Not uncommon to encounter related issues prior to any test failures.

[Lazydocker]

Yeah I'd agree tyre wear and tread depth plays a part.

I think 1.6mm is too low really, in Germany it's 3-4mm iirc which is more sensible.

Re handling seems to me it depends on the tyre, and by handling I mean straight line stability specifically. I guess ze Germanz have their autobahn related reasons...?

Mot and tread depths are the absolute base level IMO. Not uncommon to encounter related issues prior to any test failures.

I normally have to replace the front tyres before they wear below about 2.5mm as the shoulders wear due to the number of roundabouts I take at speed on my normal routes

Rears... Well, the rear Track Arms are seized solid so also wear the shoulders first but plan to sort that before the next WIM visit

[feeutfo]

So what's the best way go manage it? Rotate the fronts to the back half way through, and then replace all 4?

Or, keep the fronts as new as possible and put the old fronts on the rear, or just bin the fronts?

[Lazydocker]

So what's the best way go manage it? Rotate the fronts to the back half way through, and then replace all 4?

Or, keep the fronts as new as possible and put the old fronts on the rear, or just bin the fronts?

Errm.... By the time I've "played" a little all 4 need doing about the same time normally