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Crazycarzowner

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Wish bone help please.
« on: 24 May 2011, 21:46:59 »

After spending a considerable amount of time underneath the miggy today, I happened to notice the wishbones on both sides look very worn & tired, so do the drop links. Its the first time really i've been under it whilst doin a service & other stuff. Also the inner shoulders of the front tyres are wearing rapidly more than anywhere else.
I was just wonderin whats a reasonable price to pay for em & how difficult are they to change???

TIA

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Re: Wish bone help please.
« Reply #1 on: 24 May 2011, 21:50:05 »

The price for wishbones varys really to what quality of wishbone you want.
When you have changed them though get the Cambers set up at Nigel Langs or WIM as you will scrub the inside edges off your tyres again  :y
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Re: Wish bone help please.
« Reply #2 on: 24 May 2011, 21:56:04 »

What kind of a job is it to do Darth???
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Re: Wish bone help please.
« Reply #3 on: 24 May 2011, 21:58:01 »

Get a cheap set of wishbones off Ebay (approx £50) and fit them with poly bushes (another £40) ;)
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Re: Wish bone help please.
« Reply #4 on: 24 May 2011, 21:58:04 »

Not to bad on the scale of things really.... depends how you are with spanner spinning mate  ;D
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Re: Wish bone help please.
« Reply #5 on: 24 May 2011, 22:00:11 »

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Not to bad on the scale of things really.... depends how you are with spanner spinning mate  ;D

Agreed... I think they're a doddle and would prefer to do a set of wishbones over adjusting the handbrake (which is a job I detest doing >:() ::) ::)

My next set of wishbones will be cheap ones with poly bushes in the front ;) :y
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Re: Wish bone help please.
« Reply #6 on: 24 May 2011, 22:10:18 »

Ah well in that case I might have to treat it to a new set then whether or not I do it before I go awayin it or not I dunno.  ;D

Had fun with the oil cooler today, bloomin oil filter casing, I'm sure it was welded on  >:( Took ages to get the damn thing off just to get at the cooler pipes. The filter itself looked like it had been bathed in tar - oil change not done for a while me thinks. Everythings back together now, just gotta do nearside bank (plugs  & camcover). Then clean the breathers & throttle body out. Hopefully it'll run a bit better after all that gunk has been shifted, it were well bunged up,
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Re: Wish bone help please.
« Reply #7 on: 25 May 2011, 00:51:54 »

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The price for wishbones varys really to what quality of wishbone you want:y


As I've got to do mine soon and I want them to last as long as the originals (just over 50,000 miles, or is that optimistic) what course of action would you guys suggest based on the comment above. There seems to be varying opinions but I only want to do them once in my lifetime and I assume the answer would assist the OP as well.

Is it:

Spend lots of money and buy the complete GM units? (Easier to swap over with no hold ups. I'd personally rather spend more money to do them just once, because I'm lazy.) ;D ;D
Buy the genuine bushes and fit them to existing wishbones,with poly where possible? (Takes up valuable time.)
Buy cheapo wishbones but fit genuine bushes  :-/ (Again, easier to swap over with no hold ups if it's possible.)
Give someone your credit card and say "get on with it".  ;D ;D

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Re: Wish bone help please.
« Reply #8 on: 25 May 2011, 02:45:20 »

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The price for wishbones varys really to what quality of wishbone you want:y


As I've got to do mine soon and I want them to last as long as the originals (just over 50,000 miles, or is that optimistic) what course of action would you guys suggest based on the comment above. There seems to be varying opinions but I only want to do them once in my lifetime and I assume the answer would assist the OP as well.

Is it:

Spend lots of money and buy the complete GM units? (Easier to swap over with no hold ups. I'd personally rather spend more money to do them just once, because I'm lazy.) ;D ;D
Buy the genuine bushes and fit them to existing wishbones,with poly where possible? (Takes up valuable time.)
Buy cheapo wishbones but fit genuine bushes  :-/ (Again, easier to swap over with no hold ups if it's possible.)
Give someone your credit card and say "get on with it".  ;D ;D

Regards
Alan

Let me put it this way, if I were needing to do my own cars wishbones, I would fit Vauxhall ones as they last.  :y
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Re: Wish bone help please.
« Reply #9 on: 25 May 2011, 02:56:51 »

Not sure I'd go down the cheap route again. All 3 joints on them are rubbish.

I ended up getting replacement bushes and swivel joints and refurbishing the original wishbones. One thing I did do though was assemble the front bushes 90 degrees rotated to the originals as the bushes are the "figure of eight type". The original fitment leaves them weakest in the lateral direction (or strongest vertically). Where is the sense in that?

The steering is now much more precise with none of the floppiness over white lines or camber changes. More importantly the tyre wear is much, much better.

I looked for poly bushes at the time but couldn't find any to fit an Omega.
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Re: Wish bone help please.
« Reply #10 on: 25 May 2011, 08:11:21 »

Wishbones/drop links and poly bushes.....

How do you it's time to change them?

Maybe a stupid question to some people, but until I got an Omega, I never had any interest in mechanics & cars. Now I'm older, I want to learn how my mig "ticks"

TIA  :y
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Re: Wish bone help please.
« Reply #11 on: 25 May 2011, 09:37:53 »

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Not sure I'd go down the cheap route again. All 3 joints on them are rubbish.

I ended up getting replacement bushes and swivel joints and refurbishing the original wishbones. One thing I did do though was assemble the front bushes 90 degrees rotated to the originals as the bushes are the "figure of eight type". The original fitment leaves them weakest in the lateral direction (or strongest vertically). Where is the sense in that?

The steering is now much more precise with none of the floppiness over white lines or camber changes. More importantly the tyre wear is much, much better.

I looked for poly bushes at the time but couldn't find any to fit an Omega.

This is the problem IMO. Some have had good results with cheaper wishbones. Some, possibly the majority have not. It's a complete gamble what your getting even if a good set of £50 bones are found, who's to say the supplier is still selling the same product for someone else recommended to them? The seller may may have found A cheaper supplier and saved himself a pound an item....? Or he bought a batch and the first ones where fresh rubber, the second set sat on the shelf for god knows how long since the first set wore out.


Avoid items from butpartsby, first line, delfi. All known to be rubbish in the past. Although conversely they may have had bad batches. Who knows? But is it worth the risk? Tyre wear is expensive enough, handling is not to be messed with, as is labour costs of fitting, agro of diy fitting, and set up charges all to be repeated in 3 months in some instances where bushes and ball joints have failed early.

My personal view is GM bones are massively over priced at £225 a side according to prices I have seen. Lemforder make them for vx and can be had direct from Lemforder via
 http://www.allgermanparts.co.uk/ourshop/cat_277900-Steering-and-suspension-components.html
And come with a two year warranty for 120 odd a pair to the door.

Now, there have been some issues with these too. Namely MarkDTM being one, if I may speak for him in his absence, who's front bushes failed just short of two years old I believe. That's considered an early failure with lemforders, and he himself will admit that any manufacturer will have the odd failed part on a production run, and who knows how old they where when fitted anyway.
   There has also been talk of some Lemforders being supplied with non tapped holes for the hid light sensor, meaning a nut and bolt needs sourcing by the fitter.
   Also, as Mark suggested himself iirc, it's the front bush that's critical, rears less so. So fit Polly to the front only and carry on, the wishbones does not need to be removed even. Once the old bush is cut out, as covered in the guides, Polly just push in, do the bolt up and away you go.


So anyway, IMO. Buy lemforder with two year warranty from Allgerman, they'll be fresh as they come from ZF directly, you know what your getting, and if they fail fitting Polly in the front bush makes perfect sense to me.
Middle of the road price with best chance of longevity and recourse under warranty .... IMO.
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Re: Wish bone help please.
« Reply #12 on: 25 May 2011, 09:46:35 »

Another advantage with fitting poly bushes into your existing wishbones is that it probably won't put the geometry out noticeably. Fitting pattern wishbones will require it to be set up again without a doubt.

Depends if the rear wishbone bush is still intact, though.

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Re: Wish bone help please.
« Reply #13 on: 25 May 2011, 09:52:43 »

Plus there's non of that torquing the bolts with the wheels loaded agro with Polly either.

Incorrect fitting is another factor in failed conventional front bushes.
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Re: Wish bone help please.
« Reply #14 on: 25 May 2011, 11:00:42 »

Chris, where can I get the poly bushes? Do you know a supplier I can get them from??
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