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mr carl

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Re: correct lowering spring for my model?
« Reply #15 on: 04 June 2011, 14:59:18 »

my calibra always felt a little odd come to think of it, it almost felt like i was driving on bike tyres, and that was lowered -40mm..it did feel twitchy but totally liveable

no need to get bitchy, the car has had a full service and cambelt done just before i bought it, not that it has anything to do with my want for lowering springs, or anything to do with you...

all i wanted was to know if they would fit, not to be told that my cambelt would snap and oil life would suffer as a result of my fitting springs  ;D

freak  ::)

ofcourse i am driving the car for looks, if i wanted something that preformed better i would have bought a differnt car, i have nether want nor desire to drive at a million miles an hour around country bends. but lowering makes it does make it look more desireable, to me...your preferance is different than mine and that is fine.

to many opinions for a simple question innt bruv.

other than YOUR opinion on how i should mod my car, i am greatful for the info  :y

i love the way that my want for lowering springs automaticly turns me into a  chav, even though i have three well behaved kids, a "grandads car" and live in a cottage in the country ;D
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Re: correct lowering spring for my model?
« Reply #16 on: 04 June 2011, 15:25:58 »

Bitchy? And a Chav....  ;D

Do your self a favor. Go to the maintenance and FAQ sections and read the lot as forum guidelines, do all the servicing and preventative maintenance to keep your car on the road at best cost, THEN start looking at "improvements", and if nothing else it will save time writing guides that we already have. ;)

Btw, as a recommendation. Try Bilstein b4 shocks with irmscher(or stienmetz) springs as recommended on here, if you need the performance that is. (snigger)

Dear oh dear.....  ;D
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Re: correct lowering spring for my model?
« Reply #17 on: 04 June 2011, 16:25:16 »

Now now, boys and girls (or is that boyz and girlz?), play nicely...


To answer the question, if the manufacturer claims they are for an Omega, then they should fit standard models. If not, assuming you buy from a bona fide company, you have SoG to get a refund (but no refund for fitting work and geo work). Not sure many people here will know specifically about that brand of lowering spring for the reasons below.

As chrisgixer points out, the Omega is designed around its standard setup. Its actually very capable in corners in the right hands (and if anybody's isn't, then either the suspension is tired, or its in the wrong hands). Its certainly possible to utterly destroy the handling by overlowering, in the same way you can bugger up handling by over tyre-ing a car.

Having spoken to people who are trained in car design, I vaguely understand some of the points and reasons for some of the components, and why they are designed as they are.  Most things in the suspension are going to be a compromise, and the design of it puts markers as to how far you can stretch that compromise in another direction.  The biggest advantage with RWD, is you don't have to compromise towards bone shaker suspension just to get the power down, as is the case with any powerful FWD car. So you only need to compromise between ride comfort and cornering ability.

As you lower, you need to stiffen to reduce any bottoming out, and this reduces the car's ability to soak the bumps, which tends to result in the car getting a bit skittish in the corners, as the tyres fight for sufficient grip over any undulations.



So, my own personal opinion, if the manufacturer claims they will fit, who are we to argue, but I do think its too low (as in too much of a difference to the stock design), and will make a mess of the handling (though those coming from FWD might get the placebo effect, believing stiffer must be better).  You will also be chewing through tyres at a decent rate of knots, so you will need to budget that in as well.


This is why I, personally, wouldn't recommend a drop of more than 30mm as an absolute maximum from standard.  Irmscher/Steinmetz springs with B4 shocks seem to be the preferred setup for those members lowering their cars, but wishing to retain good cornering and most of the ride comfort.
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Re: correct lowering spring for my model?
« Reply #18 on: 04 June 2011, 16:40:33 »

thanks for that guy's.

i will *probably* go with -30mm :) but the child in me may just click the -40mm  ;D

how much does it cost to get the geo set up, are vaux any good at it? or is it better to take it to that garage i hear everyone raving about, although i think the nearest one to me is somthing like 2 hours drive away  :-/

i will follow the guide to get it as close to std as i can, but it would be nice to get it riding flat.
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Re: correct lowering spring for my model?
« Reply #19 on: 04 June 2011, 17:08:47 »

or 35mm? PI springs...like i have just fitted

They handle great, not crashy or too stiff, give a bit less body roll.
Only "issues" i'm having are to do with ride height when loaded with my gear in the boot.

It's low enough then for the exhaust middle or cat to catch on most speed bumps.
So i just have to be careful around them.

besides that, it's a pleasure to drive with them on. And that's without changing the shocks at all.
They dont bottom out.

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Re: correct lowering spring for my model?
« Reply #20 on: 04 June 2011, 17:27:53 »

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or 35mm? PI springs...like i have just fitted

They handle great, not crashy or too stiff, give a bit less body roll.
Only "issues" i'm having are to do with ride height when loaded with my gear in the boot.

It's low enough then for the exhaust middle or cat to catch on most speed bumps.
So i just have to be careful around them.

besides that, it's a pleasure to drive with them on. And that's without changing the shocks at all.
They dont bottom out.


sweet, will try and look for some 35's, i think i seen some on ebay

i am lucky as i dont really have any speed bumps around my area at all other than near schools, the only place i take my car is to work (about a mile from my house) and up to the gym (again just over a mile away)

i only do about 2000 miles a year so not even tyre wear will be much of a prolem for me  :)
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Re: correct lowering spring for my model?
« Reply #21 on: 04 June 2011, 18:25:43 »

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or 35mm? PI springs...like i have just fitted

They handle great, not crashy or too stiff, give a bit less body roll.
Only "issues" i'm having are to do with ride height when loaded with my gear in the boot.

It's low enough then for the exhaust middle or cat to catch on most speed bumps.
So i just have to be careful around them.

besides that, it's a pleasure to drive with them on. And that's without changing the shocks at all.
They dont bottom out.

Yet. Remember springs will sag over time, indeed conciderable settling takes place over the first month. Ride hight and quality will alter. Gm shocks have quite spongy bump stops, meaning bottom out may not be immediately obvious, but restrictive suspension movement may still take place.
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Re: correct lowering spring for my model?
« Reply #22 on: 05 June 2011, 14:31:40 »

fair enough,

with that in mind i will have a feel for it.
But they're not getting changed till they dont work anymore lol.


I've done enough work to it already for now.
most i am willing to do atm is an oil change.
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