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[Martin_1962]

Quite a few W reg PFL MV6s

[hotel21]

The only way it can be done is if the previous owner opted for a 'private plate' and he could prove that the plate matched his name or initials as you cannot have a private plate in attempt to alter the age of a car.

And a person doesnt buy the registration, you buy the right to display that registration. The right may be revoked by the police and DVLA if the registration is abused i.e miss-spaced to spell out words etc

Close, but not quite....

I was initially interested in purchasing same so done some digging about.  Since then, I have changed my mind for assorted reasons...

The car is manufactured in 1999 and recorded as such on the DVLA info page.

It is (supposedly) not possible to display a VRM which gives an incorrect or inaccurate impression of age.  Somehow, this one has.

According to the seller, it was first registered in the Isle of Man then 'imported' to mainland UK, as it were, sometime in 2002 or so.  He claims to have all paperwork etc. to verify age, service history, recent belt and tensioners etc etc etc...

Cue DVLA on left stage....  Spent a few days trying to track someone down who will look at this particular car and comment.  Bottom line, the car has had 'several' private plates over the years and somehow, a mistake has been made.  They wanted me to pay a fiver to get them to look at it....  No, ta, says I!!

They will need the seller to send in the V5c to DVLA so that they can cancel the plate and reissue a proper age related V/W plate or whatever.  I commented that the chances of this happening are between fat chance and no chance....  He is selling the car at that price and using the 03 plate, perhaps, to hs advantage.

I contacted the seller to advise him of the DVLA error in an effort to debate the selling price but I got rubber eared...

Decided to move on and look elsewhere.  It needs at least one headlamp washer anyway!!  

[Andy B]

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Cue DVLA on left stage....  Spent a few days trying to track someone down who will look at this particular car and comment.  Bottom line, the car has had 'several' private plates over the years and somehow, a mistake has been made.  They wanted me to pay a fiver to get them to look at it....  No, ta, says I!!

They will need the seller to send in the V5c to DVLA so that they can cancel the plate and reissue a proper age related V/W plate or whatever.  I commented that the chances of this happening are between fat chance and no chance....  He is selling the car at that price and using the 03 plate, perhaps, to hs advantage.

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So .... you mean DVLA f***ed up!      

[alank46]

[So .... you mean DVLA f***ed up!      [/quote]

No, the first registration date is just that, it bears no relation to the manufacture date, except that it would be a bit difficult to register a car before it was built.  In the past new cars have sat in fields for many months, even years, unsold and unregistered.  When first registered the year identifier is always that applicable to the actual registration date, not the build date.

Imported second hand cars can be built in say 1990 and if imported in 2008 get an 08 plate.
Alan

[hotel21]

So .... you mean DVLA f***ed up!      

No, the first registration date is just that, it bears no relation to the manufacture date, except that it would be a bit difficult to register a car before it was built.  In the past new cars have sat in fields for many months, even years, unsold and unregistered.  When first registered the year identifier is always that applicable to the actual registration date, not the build date.

Imported second hand cars can be built in say 1990 and if imported in 2008 get an 08 plate.
Alan

No they dont.  They get an age related mark unless they are declared brand spanking new at date of import.  If manufactured and registered in another country in, say, 1990 then imported into the UK now then the car would be issued with a G prefix or similar, not an 08.

It would only be your brand new car thats been sat in a field for years that would, potentially, get an 08 plate but even then, I think there is a 10 year maximum that applies...

AndyB - yes, DVLA made an upcock of it.....

[Kevin Wood]

Imported second hand cars can be built in say 1990 and if imported in 2008 get an 08 plate.
Alan

Only if they are declared new at registration. Some supporting evidence that they are new would be required (probably an inspection by VOSA, especially if its A.N.Other declaring it new rather than Vauxhall Motors).

If no evidence of "newness" is available it will get an age related plate with the year of manufacutre, and if there is no supporting evidence of its' year of manufacture it will get a Q plate.

Of course, the manufacturer can leave cars in a field for as long as they like before declaring them "new".

Having said that, VROs all seem to apply different rules and the whole organisation is just a nightmare. It wouldn't surprise me if someone just pushed the wrong buttons in this case.

Kevin

[Markjay]

Legal loophole or DVLA cock-up? Either way, the current owner is very lucky  

[Kevin Wood]

Yep. He's lucky every buyer isn't as thorough as Brucie, I suspect.

Kevin

[hotel21]

Legal loophole or DVLA cock-up? Either way, the current owner is very lucky  

......DVLA mistake.  

When the new owner applies for the logbook they will get a W plate on the V5 instead of an 03.  Thats when the cack can hit the fan.  The current seller is aware of the mistake and also that DVLA want their logbook back.  

Edit to add ---

However, they (DVLA that is....) wanted me to spend a fiver to tell them by means of a form where the car is for sale.  I told them verbally.  Even if I did send a form in, was told they would do nothing, pending the arrival of the new V5 request from the subsequent buyer.  They had zero interest in the fact that the car was being (age) misrepresented.      [smiley=angry.gif]

[omegamonkey]

This is intriguing - surely the seller can be done for false sale of goods now that he knows it's invalid? (If the buyer finds this thread!)

Aside from this car, if we didn't know the facts, could it have just been one of the many police surplus models that were bought and stored as reported by other members of these forums? I can well believe they hung on to it for years then decided to get rid of it so registered and sold, that would be a possible explanation, if we didn't know any better?

*edit - In the interests of protecting other would-be Miggy owners, I'm adding the reg to this post so that it will at some point be searchable once archived in search engine caches so that any potential buyers searching for info might find this thread. FB03 FSG

[Danny]

hadnt seen the car itself, but now i have (thanks to merged thread) the 03 plate is officially registered to that car, and that car was infact manufactured in 1999, so maybe it was kept unregistered and unused, in storage from then til 2003

[hotel21]

hadnt seen the car itself, but now i have (thanks to merged thread) the 03 plate is officially registered to that car, and that car was infact manufactured in 1999, so maybe it was kept unregistered and unused, in storage from then til 2003

It wasn't.  It was registered on the Isle of Man in 1999 used there for a couple of years then imported to here.

[waspy]

So .... you mean DVLA f***ed up!      

No, the first registration date is just that, it bears no relation to the manufacture date, except that it would be a bit difficult to register a car before it was built.  In the past new cars have sat in fields for many months, even years, unsold and unregistered.  When first registered the year identifier is always that applicable to the actual registration date, not the build date.

Imported second hand cars can be built in say 1990 and if imported in 2008 get an 08 plate.
Alan

No they dont.  They get an age related mark unless they are declared brand spanking new at date of import.  If manufactured and registered in another country in, say, 1990 then imported into the UK now then the car would be issued with a G prefix or similar, not an 08.

It would only be your brand new car thats been sat in a field for years that would, potentially, get an 08 plate but even then, I think there is a 10 year maximum that applies...

AndyB - yes, DVLA made an upcock of it.....

When i imported my Trans-Am from Dubia, it was manufactured & sold in 1992 & so after it had been SVA'd it was given a J VRM.
My old Rover 800 Diesel was manufactured in 1994, but was not registered until 1996 & so came with a P VRM

[CaptainZok]

Legal loophole or DVLA cock-up? Either way, the current owner is very lucky  

......DVLA mistake.  

When the new owner applies for the logbook they will get a W plate on the V5 instead of an 03.  Thats when the cack can hit the fan.  The current seller is aware of the mistake and also that DVLA want their logbook back.  

Edit to add ---

However, they (DVLA that is....) wanted me to spend a fiver to tell them by means of a form where the car is for sale.  I told them verbally.  Even if I did send a form in, was told they would do nothing, pending the arrival of the new V5 request from the subsequent buyer.  They had zero interest in the fact that the car was being (age) misrepresented.      [smiley=angry.gif]

What a brilliant idea, think you need to suggest it to your senior management Brucie.
Charge the public say £20 to report a crime, imagine how the crime figures will drop and if the agrieved party does report a small profit too.
This could get someone a promotion.  


Seriously though its absolutely bloody ridiculous, charging the public to give information, whatever next.

[Martin_1962]

Brucie, going back to the original post, there definately seems to be something "amiss" with this car.

My car is a "W" reg Omega, and there were only VERY few minifacelifts left on a W reg. By X reg, the only Omega's were facelifts.

EIther it's been sat brand new for 10 years since about 1998, or there is something potentially shady about it?

I would imagine you are, of course, better positioned and more knowledgable about such things in general - but going by my omega knowledge, to me, something doesn't ring right at all..

My last one was W reg mini FL