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Condensation in headlight.
« on: 25 June 2011, 16:18:11 »

I suffer with condensation inside the passenger side headlight. . I can't find a maintenance guide for headlight removal.

Is it best to pull it out from the front......or do I need to remove the battery and work from inside?

Do  I need to remove it at all?

Any ideas for removing condensation quickly?
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Re: Condensation in headlight.
« Reply #1 on: 25 June 2011, 16:21:33 »

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I suffer with condensation inside the passenger side headlight. . I can't find a maintenance guide for headlight removal.
Is it best to pull it out from the front......or do I need to remove the battery and work from inside?

Do  I need to remove it at all?

Any ideas for removing condensation quickly?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1154966960
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Re: Condensation in headlight.
« Reply #2 on: 25 June 2011, 17:10:58 »

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I suffer with condensation inside the passenger side headlight. . I can't find a maintenance guide for headlight removal.
Is it best to pull it out from the front......or do I need to remove the battery and work from inside?

Do  I need to remove it at all?

Any ideas for removing condensation quickly?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1154966960
 ::)


 Thanks Rob. I checked three times and failed to notice it.... :-[ :-[
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Re: Condensation in headlight.
« Reply #3 on: 25 June 2011, 20:00:32 »

Drive with your headlights on for a while, night and day.
The heat they generate seemed to clear it for me.
Has never came back since.
« Last Edit: 26 June 2011, 19:05:41 by duggs »
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Re: Condensation in headlight.
« Reply #4 on: 26 June 2011, 01:23:07 »

My issues with this seemed to coincide with me using an automated car wash.  :-/

No idea why that should differ from a good rain shower though. :-/
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Re: Condensation in headlight.
« Reply #5 on: 26 June 2011, 09:44:23 »

I don't spray directly at the headlamps anymore when washing the car as that's what did it to mine. I looked at the headlamp removal procedure and it looked a pain and luckily it cleared itself in a few days of dry weather before I got around to it.
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Re: Condensation in headlight.
« Reply #6 on: 26 June 2011, 12:21:01 »

What does the M.O.T tester make of misty headlights ? Pass or fail?
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Re: Condensation in headlight.
« Reply #7 on: 27 June 2011, 21:24:15 »

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What does the M.O.T tester make of misty headlights ? Pass or fail?

Should pass as long as the light output isn't seriously reduced(it would have to be extreme condensation). In my 5 years of testing i haven't had one fail on misting alone.
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Re: Condensation in headlight.
« Reply #8 on: 28 June 2011, 08:48:42 »

With HIDs the likelihood of glare increases with condensation so they may fail that in future.

One way of removing humidity is to remove the bulb and insert a pipe connected to a vacuum cleaner,  It will cause the air to be changed and replaced with whatever is surrounding the unit.  Poke the pipe into one of the further recesses and it should create turbulence that will flush the whole unit.  That won't really help unless the source of water ingress is located and fixed though.

Headlamps in particular pump air in and out as they are powered-on then powered-off.  So if they are sitting in a pool of water, or water is sitting in a seam that leaks, it will be sucked in as the air in the unit cools.

I was amazed when I found that my Discovery had vent tubes in the loom to the low-level fog lamps that presumably dip into rivers etc. when on off-road trips.  This allowed them to breath without taking in water (theoretically).
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Re: Condensation in headlight.
« Reply #9 on: 28 June 2011, 11:13:26 »

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With HIDs the likelihood of glare increases with condensation so they may fail that in future.

One way of removing humidity is to remove the bulb and insert a pipe connected to a vacuum cleaner,  It will cause the air to be changed and replaced with whatever is surrounding the unit.  Poke the pipe into one of the further recesses and it should create turbulence that will flush the whole unit.  That won't really help unless the source of water ingress is located and fixed though.

Headlamps in particular pump air in and out as they are powered-on then powered-off.  So if they are sitting in a pool of water, or water is sitting in a seam that leaks, it will be sucked in as the air in the unit cools.

I was amazed when I found that my Discovery had vent tubes in the loom to the low-level fog lamps that presumably dip into rivers etc. when on off-road trips.  This allowed them to breath without taking in water (theoretically).

It has nothing to do with it being HID's, the defraction of light as a result of condensation affecting the beam pattern is the same for both the lense based Halogen filament lamps and the lense based HID lamps.
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Re: Condensation in headlight.
« Reply #10 on: 28 June 2011, 11:20:40 »

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With HIDs the likelihood of glare increases with condensation so they may fail that in future.

One way of removing humidity is to remove the bulb and insert a pipe connected to a vacuum cleaner,  It will cause the air to be changed and replaced with whatever is surrounding the unit.  Poke the pipe into one of the further recesses and it should create turbulence that will flush the whole unit.  That won't really help unless the source of water ingress is located and fixed though.

Headlamps in particular pump air in and out as they are powered-on then powered-off.  So if they are sitting in a pool of water, or water is sitting in a seam that leaks, it will be sucked in as the air in the unit cools.

I was amazed when I found that my Discovery had vent tubes in the loom to the low-level fog lamps that presumably dip into rivers etc. when on off-road trips.  This allowed them to breath without taking in water (theoretically).

It has nothing to do with it being HID's, the defraction of light as a result of condensation affecting the beam pattern is the same for both the lense based Halogen filament lamps and the lense based HID lamps.
But they're super-sensitive when it's HIDs 'cos everyone gets dazzled good and proper.
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Re: Condensation in headlight.
« Reply #11 on: 28 June 2011, 11:26:50 »

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With HIDs the likelihood of glare increases with condensation so they may fail that in future.

One way of removing humidity is to remove the bulb and insert a pipe connected to a vacuum cleaner,  It will cause the air to be changed and replaced with whatever is surrounding the unit.  Poke the pipe into one of the further recesses and it should create turbulence that will flush the whole unit.  That won't really help unless the source of water ingress is located and fixed though.

Headlamps in particular pump air in and out as they are powered-on then powered-off.  So if they are sitting in a pool of water, or water is sitting in a seam that leaks, it will be sucked in as the air in the unit cools.

I was amazed when I found that my Discovery had vent tubes in the loom to the low-level fog lamps that presumably dip into rivers etc. when on off-road trips.  This allowed them to breath without taking in water (theoretically).

It has nothing to do with it being HID's, the defraction of light as a result of condensation affecting the beam pattern is the same for both the lense based Halogen filament lamps and the lense based HID lamps.
But they're super-sensitive when it's HIDs 'cos everyone gets dazzled good and proper.

They are no more sensitive than halogen filamnet lamps......a light source is a light source and the light emmitted obeys the same scattering and defraction laws of pyhsics.

The trouble with HID's are they are a bit like Marmite, you either love them or hate them (the same happened when Halogens lamps were first introduced in the 70's).

THE bigest issue is poor headlight aim (which is part of an MOT test clearly) and poorly aligned headlights of any type will dazzle others.

Granted a HID setup produces more light (although the major percentage of this is used to illuminate the ground creating a more consistent illumination).

Its just the lates thing of blaming HID's when in reality its not specific to HIDs  :y
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Re: Condensation in headlight.
« Reply #12 on: 28 June 2011, 11:32:28 »

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With HIDs the likelihood of glare increases with condensation so they may fail that in future.

One way of removing humidity is to remove the bulb and insert a pipe connected to a vacuum cleaner,  It will cause the air to be changed and replaced with whatever is surrounding the unit.  Poke the pipe into one of the further recesses and it should create turbulence that will flush the whole unit.  That won't really help unless the source of water ingress is located and fixed though.

Headlamps in particular pump air in and out as they are powered-on then powered-off.  So if they are sitting in a pool of water, or water is sitting in a seam that leaks, it will be sucked in as the air in the unit cools.

I was amazed when I found that my Discovery had vent tubes in the loom to the low-level fog lamps that presumably dip into rivers etc. when on off-road trips.  This allowed them to breath without taking in water (theoretically).

It has nothing to do with it being HID's, the defraction of light as a result of condensation affecting the beam pattern is the same for both the lense based Halogen filament lamps and the lense based HID lamps.
But they're super-sensitive when it's HIDs 'cos everyone gets dazzled good and proper.

They are no more sensitive than halogen filamnet lamps......a light source is a light source and the light emmitted obeys the same scattering and defraction laws of pyhsics.

The trouble with HID's are they are a bit like Marmite, you either love them or hate them (the same happened when Halogens lamps were first introduced in the 70's).

THE bigest issue is poor headlight aim (which is part of an MOT test clearly) and poorly aligned headlights of any type will dazzle others.

Granted a HID setup produces more light (although the major percentage of this is used to illuminate the ground creating a more consistent illumination).

Its just the lates thing of blaming HID's when in reality its not specific to HIDs  :y
The "they" being MOT testers of course ;D

T'internet!  Honestly.
« Last Edit: 28 June 2011, 11:33:10 by ChrisH174 »
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Re: Condensation in headlight.
« Reply #13 on: 28 June 2011, 16:57:12 »

I dont think "they" are at all in my experience. Going by what passed and where the beam was on the road on my own cars they need to tighten up IMO.

Never mind what's actually on the road blinding everyone. I do love my rear blind btw  :y
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Re: Condensation in headlight.
« Reply #14 on: 29 December 2011, 11:58:43 »

Hello Vauxhall Omega Owners!

I have to raise the topic regardign the condesation in front light(HID) again.  I changed my xenon bulb on the passenger side in June and now lamp housing is full of water droplets.
Last weekend already used the hairdryer drying  trick and put silicone lubricant on the covering gap and rubber sealing after installation. 2 days it was ok, but the droplets returned again.

Does anybody know, where are the weak points in the front light, where the water can penetrate in?

(Car has no crash record and the front lights are defect free).

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