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[TheBoy]

Fakra aftermarket GPS antenna solves the issues in Omegas with the radio aerial in the back window.

Vxl Sat Nav is fairly poor, even with the latest disc.

No postcode search, can't find things like Silverstone circuit/ major airports, house numbers in the required road is very limited, just gives you an intersection (hopeless unless you look at a map to see where each road intersection is, negating the need for the sat nav!!) and re-routing because of Traffic jam is crap

If you are going for a retro fit i wouldn't bother with it, not worth the time effort and money

Its a far superior system to *any* portable system.

Granted, no postcodes.  I wish Tomtom had no bloody postcodes, stop people from using it. around 15% of postcodes in Tomtom are apprently incorrect.

My NCDR1500 found Terminal 5 3 weeks ago, no issues. Finds most POIs I ask it to. Arguably better than my Tomtom, where I have to rely on 3rd party software to be any good.

House numbers - there are 2 digital mapping companies, Teleatlas and Navteq. Both have limited house numbers. Teleatlas may have some for a street that Navteq doesn't, and vice versa.


BUT the biggest issue with any portable satnav is they are fundamentally flawed. In difficult signal areas (tall buildings, bridges, tunnels, trees), they don't know where they are. Proper factory fit options primarily use speed sensors and gyros, with satelite as a backup, so work fine in these areas. Factory fit work, portable are a poor cousin.

[Omega 37]

When I go get me codes read I will have a look at the boys make a decision from there me thinks  :-/

[tunnie]

Omega37 - have a look at mine if/when you come over.  I have both types in mine.


All post 1998 3.0/3.2 came with some form of satnav, options on all other cars.

The early facelifts did not come with it thought? The 2013/2015 units were not ready until 2001 IIC?  :-/

[TheBoy]

Omega37 - have a look at mine if/when you come over.  I have both types in mine.


All post 1998 3.0/3.2 came with some form of satnav, options on all other cars.

The early facelifts did not come with it thought? The 2013/2015 units were not ready until 2001 IIC?  :-/

Not according to the 2000 brochures I have here....

[Omega 37]

Is the NCDR1500 the colour screen jobby?

[tunnie]

Is the NCDR1500 the colour screen jobby?

Not aware of that head unit, do you mean NCDC 2015? - The headunit actually has nothing to do with the type of display, you need a CID for colour display which needs to be de-paired and set in delivery mode to be paired to a new head unit

[Dave DND]

Is the NCDR1500 the colour screen jobby?

Not aware of that head unit, do you mean NCDC 2015? - The headunit actually has nothing to do with the type of display, you need a CID for colour display which needs to be de-paired and set in delivery mode to be paired to a new head unit

May be wrong, but I thought the NCDR1100,1200 and 1500 were monochrome ?

Fairly sure none of those models never made it to the Omega though, so you may have some connectivity and communication "issues"

 :-/

[feeutfo]

really would not bother myself. Car positioning is far far more accurate and reliable than a portable no doubt about it.
 However it is quite heavily ham strung by lack of traffic info, (tmc is built in, but will never work in the uk) and very restrictive software. The user interface cant hold a candle to a tomtom. Maps, poi's. Route summary, how long and how far to destination, the list goes on.
 It is nicely integrated with rest of the audio functions though.
 Have you considered an up to date sat nav equiped head unit such as a pioneer or the like? Probably better for the money, esp as your car is not bose? Not sure how they work with the check controle functions though?

[Omega 37]

really would not bother myself. Car positioning is far far more accurate and reliable than a portable no doubt about it.
 However it is quite heavily ham strung by lack of traffic info, (tmc is built in, but will never work in the uk) and very restrictive software. The user interface cant hold a candle to a tomtom. Maps, poi's. Route summary, how long and how far to destination, the list goes on.
 It is nicely integrated with rest of the audio functions though.
 Have you considered an up to date sat nav equiped head unit such as a pioneer or the like? Probably better for the money, esp as your car is not bose? Not sure how they work with the check controle functions though?

Forgot about that option!!!!!!!! Will have a look at these head units

[Dave DND]

really would not bother myself. Car positioning is far far more accurate and reliable than a portable no doubt about it.
 However it is quite heavily ham strung by lack of traffic info, (tmc is built in, but will never work in the uk) and very restrictive software. The user interface cant hold a candle to a tomtom. Maps, poi's. Route summary, how long and how far to destination, the list goes on.
 It is nicely integrated with rest of the audio functions though.
 Have you considered an up to date sat nav equiped head unit such as a pioneer or the like? Probably better for the money, esp as your car is not bose? Not sure how they work with the check controle functions though?

Forgot about that option!!!!!!!! Will have a look at these head units

Just a word of caution about the current range of aftermarket head units.

There are many El-Cheapo brands out there at the moment, and some of them DO NOT have a speed sensor input - these units are nothing more than a crappy version of a TomTom squeezed into a head unit, and offer nothing more than a portable one.

There are then a range of El-Cheapo units that do have all the correct inputs, but are using some very suspicious guidance software, meaning that map upgrades in the future will NOT be supported. If the mapping software is not from either TeleAtlas or NavTech then walk away, or better still, RUN !!

At the upper end of the price brackets are the names we all know and recognise, Clarion, Pioneer, Kenwood, Alpine etc etc, and if you are going to spend out on a vehicle dedicated aftermarket stereo with a built in Nav, then these are the reputable names to go for, yes, they are expensive, and yes, you will get exactly the sort of unit and performance that you are paying for.

 

[Omega 37]

The decent ones are too expensive. Still want the omega built in one even if it not the best in the world.
Dont like things hanging off the dash/windscreen and dont want a non gm head unit.
Will have to find out what bits that I need, the screen, antenna, ??
Suppose it will take some time to come across the bits, same problem as the electric rear blind I suppose.
 

[feeutfo]

hmm, they are steep, buti've seen the pioneer single din work, albeit with chaviola slide out pop up screen single din effort, and its functions seems very impressive, but tend to agree, anything other than the original range of head units looks pants in most cars.

re the omega and presumably most exec cars, the perfect solution does not exist, and probably wont unless the likes of e.g. tom tom, if thats your flavour, start designing their software into nav enabled head unit for car makers. Aftermarket Head units will never be able to integrate with all functions on all cars......afaik?

Certainly re my Elite, as TB and Dave will probably sigh with boardom, its quite frustraing imo to have such a fully integrated built in system with fairly vital check controle functions/bose/cid idealy placed high in the dash/ nav/ phone etc which was not developed as well, or as far as it could have been...its just too old concidering when the design process started i guess. Certainly parts are an issue if it goes wrong as lazers are hard to find for 2013 and 2015. Replacing it would mean major surgery, loosing cid, loads of cash and loose the integration which is probably its best feature

I'm sure TB will guide you with whats possible at reasonable cost.....

......but i wonder what Dave would fit in his non omega car given the cash, and how that would compare to what TB would fit given whats possible on the omega (2.2 in your case)....


end of meandring ramble   

[Dave DND]

......but i wonder what Dave would fit in his non omega car given the cash

I am in a very fortunate position that with virtually every head unit available to me, and manufacturers always keen to have me on their side, I do have a few very high end head units at my disposal. But I am aware that money alone does not always make a better head unit - and always think carefully about what I want from it first.

I recently picked up a Subaru Forester as a cheap winter hack for when the cold weather hits. It has a double DIN hole in the dash and a 7" monitor pod at the top. My criteria is that I want a very good sound, iPod and Bluetooth connectivity, and retaining as much load space is essential due to this being a workhorse, but I probably won`t keep the car that long, so no point going crazy.

The setup I decided on is a Clarion CX609E in the double din hole, and a 10 year old Blaupunkt DX-V screen / Nav in the monitor pod at the top of the dash (My personal Nav of choice). Clarion speakers all round, and I will be chopping up and recessing into a quarter panel the clarion amplified sub.

You would be correct in thinking that this appears to be a very restrained system (and really not that expensive either) but this is not my "Sunday best" car, its the one I am going to be using in the snow, and as such, I just want to enjoy some very good sounds whilst I am having fun.

But you may also notice that my setup shown of Double DIN head unit, Standalone Dedicated Nav, Amplified Sub and a simple change of speakers, would also be perfect for a vehicle such as the Omega without breaking the bank

 

[Dave DND]

Aftermarket Head units will never be able to integrate with all functions on all cars......afaik?

Very wrong - modern cars can usually integrate fully with aftermarket head units - how deep are your pockets ?

 

[tunnie]

Aftermarket Head units will never be able to integrate with all functions on all cars......afaik?

Very wrong - modern cars can usually integrate fully with aftermarket head units - how deep are your pockets ?

 

My pockets stopped at the MID adaptor, i got the steering wheel controls working which was the main thing i wanted, i could have got it to link to the display as well, but could not justify the expense.

I have an Alpine 9854-R in mine, very happy with it