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[RexNoctis]

Hi All,

With the kind help of The Baron and his friend I now have electric leather seats in place of the ones that kept ripping holes in my trousers!

Couple of questions, firstly, the old seats had airbags, these have seatbelt pre-tensioners. I'm scared of both! Are the connections a straight swap and will the pre-tensioners report correctly to the airbag system? If not, is it possible to fool the car into thinking the airbag is there. I don't want to find someone with a Tech2 to reset the airbag light if it's only going to come back on again!

Can anyone tell me what the cables in this picture are for? This is the loom from the car. The red & brown are power and I've wired these to the new seats motors but I'm not sure what all the others do, which are the heated seat pads etc?



Finally, I have this loom under the rear seats, is this where the loom for the heated rear seats would normally connect? I also have a red cable in this loom that appears burned and the insulation has bubbled up. Where else does this loom go?



Cheers all!

[RexNoctis]

Whoops, should be in Electrical Help, sorry!

[Jimbob]

[movedhere] Omega General Help [move by] Jimbob.

[RexNoctis]

Thanks Jimbob! 

[Omegafantasy]

I am not sure about all, but cables wrapped up or put in a signal yellow tube represents "caution - pyrotechnics", so be careful with those. An electrostatic discharge could, in worst case, set off an airbag or seatbelt tensioner.

[TheBoy]

Are you saying the replacement seats do NOT have side airbags when the originals did? If so, they are not suitable.

Early seats (no side airbags, mechanical pretenioners, hollow headrests) can only be fitted to early (1994-1997) cars, as you will not be able to get the pretensioners or side airbags working (and heaters won't work in facelifts)

Mini facelift seats can be fitted to minifacelifts only, as you cannot get pretensioners working in earlier cars, or heaters to work in facelifts (but otherwise OK in facelifts)

Facelift seats will work in all Omegas, but the heaters won't work in prefacelifts.

[erubus]

I have leather seats from a 95 elite that i was planning on fitting to my 99 cd.  Does this mean the seats can't be fitted, or just that the pre-tensioners wouldn't work? i'm not that bothered if the pre-tensioners work or not, as long as the electric adjustment worked but an airbag light on in the dash could have MOT consequences and would just be annoying.
gill

ps: sorry for slight hi-jack

[TheBoy]

I have leather seats from a 95 elite that i was planning on fitting to my 99 cd.  Does this mean the seats can't be fitted, or just that the pre-tensioners wouldn't work? i'm not that bothered if the pre-tensioners work or not, as long as the electric adjustment worked but an airbag light on in the dash could have MOT consequences and would just be annoying.
gill

ps: sorry for slight hi-jack

Not sure anyone here would recommend disabling vital safety systems on a road car.

I'd recommend, if you MUST have the rather naff Omega leather, that you get the right ones

[Dave DND]

It is possible to remove airbags and to fool the system into thinking that they are still inplace by inserting the appropriate electrical component.

We have done this when making dash builds, or changing steering wheels, and the airbag light will stay off, and the rest of the airbag system will perform perfectly.

Have a word with an autoelectrician, or a decent car audio shop, and they may perform this little mod for you, but I`m afraid its not something I am prepared to divulge on a forum for safety reasons.

[The Red Baron]

Are you saying the replacement seats do NOT have side airbags when the originals did? If so, they are not suitable.

Early seats (no side airbags, mechanical pretenioners, hollow headrests) can only be fitted to early (1994-1997) cars, as you will not be able to get the pretensioners or side airbags working (and heaters won't work in facelifts)

Mini facelift seats can be fitted to minifacelifts only, as you cannot get pretensioners working in earlier cars, or heaters to work in facelifts (but otherwise OK in facelifts)

Facelift seats will work in all Omegas, but the heaters won't work in prefacelifts.

leather is from a r plate going into a s plate cd

[RexNoctis]

Even without the airbags, they're still safer than the seat that came out. I've lost two pairs of trousers and a chunk of flesh to that one!

Fair enough, I was hoping it would be an easy swap, airbags for pre-tensioners. As the side airbags were an option anyway, I don't see them as essential. Having memory seats for my wife who is about 18" shorter than me is worth it!

The CD TD is a mini facelift so I should be able to get the heaters working for winter, I assume the heaters cables are the pair that's left over. 

Once I've sorted all the connections, is there anyone in the East Midlands (or Wales) areas with a Tech2 who's willing to check codes and possibly reset?

[TheBoy]

Are you saying the replacement seats do NOT have side airbags when the originals did? If so, they are not suitable.

Early seats (no side airbags, mechanical pretenioners, hollow headrests) can only be fitted to early (1994-1997) cars, as you will not be able to get the pretensioners or side airbags working (and heaters won't work in facelifts)

Mini facelift seats can be fitted to minifacelifts only, as you cannot get pretensioners working in earlier cars, or heaters to work in facelifts (but otherwise OK in facelifts)

Facelift seats will work in all Omegas, but the heaters won't work in prefacelifts.

leather is from a r plate going into a s plate cd

R is changeover - is it from a 1997 model or 1998 model. If 1997 (ie, no side airbags), they are an unsuitable replacement.

[The Red Baron]

Are you saying the replacement seats do NOT have side airbags when the originals did? If so, they are not suitable.

Early seats (no side airbags, mechanical pretenioners, hollow headrests) can only be fitted to early (1994-1997) cars, as you will not be able to get the pretensioners or side airbags working (and heaters won't work in facelifts)

Mini facelift seats can be fitted to minifacelifts only, as you cannot get pretensioners working in earlier cars, or heaters to work in facelifts (but otherwise OK in facelifts)

Facelift seats will work in all Omegas, but the heaters won't work in prefacelifts.

leather is from a r plate going into a s plate cd

R is changeover - is it from a 1997 model or 1998 model. If 1997 (ie, no side airbags), they are an unsuitable replacement.

[erubus]

when i crashed my first cavalier in spectacular style (one flip and three rolls) neither the airbags or the pretensioners actually worked, same as when my brother crashed my dad's cavalier and my mate crashed his astra.  also when my brother bumped his astra at 5mph in the supermarket car park, the airbag went off and broke one of his wrists.  I'm not making any particular point by the way, just a few relevant anecdotes.

would removing the seats with the side airbags disable the whole airbag system though?  I'm still a little confused by this.

gill

[Dave DND]

would removing the seats with the side airbags disable the whole airbag system though?  I'm still a little confused by this.

Yes, the airbag system will be looking for the airbags that are not present and will show up a warning light on the dash to indicate that the system is inoperative.

You will need to "fool" the system into thinking the airbags are still fitted, and then the rest of them will still function as normal.