Thanks for all replies and comments but to clarify the sidelights Danny These are the four leds in a cluster and even in daylight are quite bright (not like me i might add) but was in the car when i bought it. I just wondered if these could be fed by an ign controlled circuit and a diode to stop power going back up to switch when light circuit was off but what would happen when the power came from the switch. And yes i do switch on the lights in the dayime but the downside is the dash goes into night time mode if its not feasable then no i wont do it. Also most of you are right the fronts of the audis and mercs look like xmas rope lights very garish if that is the only option then i wont be having it. In the words of the old TV program " I only arsked"
and i do believe they are too bright I've noticed the insignias use the side light circuit and lighting is more subtle and finaly i think it is a good idea to have lighting during daytime as i am not in my car all the time i too am a pedestrian now and then.
Thanks once again
Robert