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[Dave DND]

I don`t really see what all the fuss is about - the CD30/40/70 are all fairly standard units that are never going to set the world alight.

The Astra and Vectra forums are full of people taking them out and replacing with something better.

If you want MP3, DVD or a decent Nav, then go aftermarket - no real compatability issues and you will certainly get a better spec unit without all the grief

 :-?

[feeutfo]

I don`t really see what all the fuss is about - the CD30/40/70 are all fairly standard units that are never going to set the world alight.

The Astra and Vectra forums are full of people taking them out and replacing with something better.

If you want MP3, DVD or a decent Nav, then go aftermarket - no real compatability issues and you will certainly get a better spec unit without all the grief

 :-?

Ok Dave, which aftermarket HU, or any HU for that matter, will retain full use of the colour display sited high up in the dash in the drivers view instead of too low down by the gear knob where you can't see it nearly so well while driving?    :-?

Been down this road before, there was nothing available to retain that feature then either. 

[Dave DND]

I don`t really see what all the fuss is about - the CD30/40/70 are all fairly standard units that are never going to set the world alight.

The Astra and Vectra forums are full of people taking them out and replacing with something better.

If you want MP3, DVD or a decent Nav, then go aftermarket - no real compatability issues and you will certainly get a better spec unit without all the grief

 :-?

Ok Dave, which aftermarket HU, or any HU for that matter, will retain full use of the colour display sited high up in the dash in the drivers view instead of too low down by the gear knob where you can't see it nearly so well while driving?    :-?

Been down this road before, there was nothing available to retain that feature then either. 

I`ll confess that I hadn`t taken that into account -

However, seem to recall a good few years ago when we were promoting the second generation of sat navs that we had something in one of our demo cars that did exactly that - Possibly a Blaupunkt unit running the DX-V screen via an exceptionally expensive at the time interface box that allowed all the radio info to be displayed on the screen as well. I`ll try and dig through my archives to see if I have any info as to what we had fitted -

But I take on board your point - modern head unit with remote screen? - now thats a challenge.

 

[feeutfo]

Well if your taking up the gauntlet,  don't forget it must work with check control, computer functions, steering wheel controls, tmc, and have all the other modern stuff of which you speak. Aux and video in of course..... AND play mission impossible while the driver where's a black romper suit and harness absailing in through the sunroof. 


Oh yeah, and Bose.

[Dave DND]

Well if your taking up the gauntlet,  don't forget it must work with check control, computer functions, steering wheel controls, tmc, and have all the other modern stuff of which you speak. Aux and video in of course..... AND play mission impossible while the driver where's a black romper suit and harness absailing in through the sunroof. 


Oh yeah, and Bose.

To be fair, even if you did get a CD70 to work, 99% of that stuff wouldn`t work with it anyway.

However, gauntlett thrown and accepted !

 

[zirk]

Well if your taking up the gauntlet,  don't forget it must work with check control, computer functions, steering wheel controls, tmc, and have all the other modern stuff of which you speak. Aux and video in of course..... AND play mission impossible while the driver where's a black romper suit and harness absailing in through the sunroof. 


Oh yeah, and Bose.

Dont get him going Chris.

[VXL V6]

Well if your taking up the gauntlet,  don't forget it must work with check control, computer functions, steering wheel controls, tmc, and have all the other modern stuff of which you speak. Aux and video in of course..... AND play mission impossible while the driver where's a black romper suit and harness absailing in through the sunroof. 


Oh yeah, and Bose.

Dont get him going Chris.

That final bit may be the undoing of the whole solution 

[feeutfo]

Well if your taking up the gauntlet,  don't forget it must work with check control, computer functions, steering wheel controls, tmc, and have all the other modern stuff of which you speak. Aux and video in of course..... AND play mission impossible while the driver where's a black romper suit and harness absailing in through the sunroof. 


Oh yeah, and Bose.

Dont get him going Chris.

That final bit may be the undoing of the whole solution 

Suspect "the final bit" will be cost..... Didn't mention that bit.   

[bigmac]

It is possible to fit A CD70 into a non canbus car because ive seen it , Its a lot of work but not as previous members have said impossible

Car in question was a cavalier  Everything worked apart from some BC functions 

[Dave DND]

Its a lot of work but not as previous members have said impossible

I don`t reccall anyone saying it was impossible, just very hard work and not really worth the effort.

The Cavalier you mention also had more Vectra ECU`s fitted than I care to mention, and all that for what?

To end up with a bog standard stereo system ?

 

[bigmac]

No, it won`t work. The CAN signals for the ignition supply are not present in the Omega, meaning that even if you can power the stereo up, it may shut down every 60 minutes or so, and I think the correct CAN speed pulse signal is also missing, which would make a Navigation system completely pointless.

 

I think you said it wouldn't work plus if we all had that way of thinking we would never try new things out and to call the CD70 bog standard is a bit harsh tbh its a better upgrade than the standard omega units and cavalier IMHO it may take a hell of a lot to wire in and yes you will need some modules from a vectra c but if you want to be different its a start  8-)

[Dave DND]

I said it wouldn`t work, I didn`t however say it was impossible.

But I stand by my comments - the CD70 is a crap stereo, and the audio processing is nothing better than the NCDCXXXX range of stereos that integrate so easily with the Omega. You want MP3 or DAB, then use a Parrot kit or Pure Highway through a modulator - thats easy, but don`t try telling me that the CD70 will work fully in the omega, it won`t, nor is it worth the hassle. And have a close look at the Cavalier you mention, I know it well, and there are more than just a few functions that don`t work correctly - All that expense of ecu`s and modules, and it still does not and will not ever work correctly.

We put a Pioneer AVIC Navigation on a shopping trolley once as a P.R. gimmick, sure it worked and even got a speed pulse from the front wheel - got us a great feature in a magazine - was it worth the effort and expense when you could clip a Tom Tom to the handlebar? Of course not.

There are easier and better ways to go.

I seem to recall that some of the older top end Alpine systems used to have a DIN sized commander module that outputted its functionality to an external monitor - the system was expensive, but probably no more so than the time and effort wasted with Vauxhall ecu`s.

[feeutfo]

All things are relative, it may be a crap HU if your used to dealing with top end gear day in day out. Us "normal", non business owning, hard working fellows are used, clearly, to more aged gadgets to which presumably a CD70 is a step up...?  But, only if working fully as intended other wise it's useless excess weight costing fuel.

Personally I am more than happy with Bxxx premium sound, and the dash display is one of a kind clearly. It's a cracking little system IMO. But then I have never used a modern high end unit.... so clearly am happy with lower expectations of ncdc, relatively speking.

Although TMC and some bloody in/outputs don't seem too much to ask IMO.  .    

 So, is there no modern HU with a display output ?

[Dave DND]

All things are relative, it may be a crap HU if your used to dealing with top end gear day in day out. Us "normal", non business owning, hard working fellows are used, clearly, to more aged gadgets to which presumably a CD70 is a step up...?  But, only if working fully as intended other wise it's useless excess weight costing fuel.

I`m not comparing it to modern head units - I think its crap because of the sheer number that arrive here for repair, usually with the same fault of flattening the car battery by turning itself on overnight - and the fault is nothing more than poor build quality and cheap shite components inside. Same parts used in CD30 as well, that suffers also.

So, is there no modern HU with a display output ?

Well, Apart from the Pioneer, Alpine, Sony and Kenwood head units that all communicate with the MID via an expensive interface, No. - but none to my knowledge will communicate with the CID though, which is what you all appear to be asking for.

[feeutfo]

All things are relative, it may be a crap HU if your used to dealing with top end gear day in day out. Us "normal", non business owning, hard working fellows are used, clearly, to more aged gadgets to which presumably a CD70 is a step up...?  But, only if working fully as intended other wise it's useless excess weight costing fuel.

I`m not comparing it to modern head units - I think its crap because of the sheer number that arrive here for repair, usually with the same fault of flattening the car battery by turning itself on overnight - and the fault is nothing more than poor build quality and cheap shite components inside. Same parts used in CD30 as well, that suffers also.

So, is there no modern HU with a display output ?

Well, Apart from the Pioneer, Alpine, Sony and Kenwood head units that all communicate with the MID via an expensive interface, No. - but none to my knowledge will communicate with the CID though, which is what you all appear to be asking for.

CID or similar equivalent..?  :-/.

I guess at best it will have to be an aux to comparable monitor grafted in to dash somehow? So there goes check control and bc functions stright away.... Presumably?