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Re: Domestic solar panels
« Reply #30 on: 05 October 2011, 20:58:45 »

I had a 3.9KW 20 panel system fitted last November. The estimated generated KW was 3218 per annum. I passed that two months early. I was reluctant to have them fitted as the government was talking about changing the system of payments, so I wrote to Chris Huhne and had a reply confirming that there would be no retrospective changes to the payments described above, ie if you join on a tariff, it is guaranteed (as much as anything ever is) for 25 years, index linked. I estimate I am getting at least 12.5% return on capital at today's price of electricity, which of course will stay at this level, I don't think. My electricity meter is only reading about 10KW more than it was in March, and I have used the immersion heater to heat water since March, and have not used the gas boiler since April. My array points to 168 degrees at 27' to the horizontal. Personally, I think its a no-brainer, as it is highly unlikely you will ever get a better return on capital, and which can only increase as prices rise. PM me if you want to discuss it in more detail. I agree with those advising against the so-called 'free' offers.
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« Reply #31 on: 05 October 2011, 21:06:21 »

I had a 3.9KW 20 panel system fitted last November. The estimated generated KW was 3218 per annum. I passed that two months early. I was reluctant to have them fitted as the government was talking about changing the system of payments, so I wrote to Chris Huhne and had a reply confirming that there would be no retrospective changes to the payments described above, ie if you join on a tariff, it is guaranteed (as much as anything ever is) for 25 years, index linked. I estimate I am getting at least 12.5% return on capital at today's price of electricity, which of course will stay at this level, I don't think. My electricity meter is only reading about 10KW more than it was in March, and I have used the immersion heater to heat water since March, and have not used the gas boiler since April. My array points to 168 degrees at 27' to the horizontal. Personally, I think its a no-brainer, as it is highly unlikely you will ever get a better return on capital, and which can only increase as prices rise. PM me if you want to discuss it in more detail. I agree with those advising against the so-called 'free' offers.

Thanks Shackeng  :y

I'm just about the bite the bullet in the next few weeks. What make inverter have you got, any issues with it?
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« Reply #32 on: 05 October 2011, 21:37:38 »

Re sales guys, I have real problems with my behavior when talking to these people. So simply don't talk to them. For both our sakes.  :(
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Re: Domestic solar panels
« Reply #33 on: 05 October 2011, 21:42:24 »

I personaly hope they come to thier senses and knock the ridiculous inflated fed in rates on the head VERY soon.
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« Reply #34 on: 05 October 2011, 22:14:47 »

I personaly hope they come to thier senses and knock the ridiculous inflated fed in rates on the head VERY soon.

After I've got my install finished please  :'(
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« Reply #35 on: 05 October 2011, 22:51:47 »

I had a 3.9KW 20 panel system fitted last November. The estimated generated KW was 3218 per annum. I passed that two months early. I was reluctant to have them fitted as the government was talking about changing the system of payments, so I wrote to Chris Huhne and had a reply confirming that there would be no retrospective changes to the payments described above, ie if you join on a tariff, it is guaranteed (as much as anything ever is) for 25 years, index linked. I estimate I am getting at least 12.5% return on capital at today's price of electricity, which of course will stay at this level, I don't think. My electricity meter is only reading about 10KW more than it was in March, and I have used the immersion heater to heat water since March, and have not used the gas boiler since April. My array points to 168 degrees at 27' to the horizontal. Personally, I think its a no-brainer, as it is highly unlikely you will ever get a better return on capital, and which can only increase as prices rise. PM me if you want to discuss it in more detail. I agree with those advising against the so-called 'free' offers.

Thanks Shackeng  :y

I'm just about the bite the bullet in the next few weeks. What make inverter have you got, any issues with it?

Ever Solar G83 3200, no problems so far. http://www.pvpro.co.uk/inverter/class/EverSolar-Inverter-tl3200-tl4600-tl5400.html. Good luck, and I don't think you will regret it. :y
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« Reply #36 on: 05 October 2011, 22:55:33 »

I personaly hope they come to thier senses and knock the ridiculous inflated fed in rates on the head VERY soon.

Clearly a subjective opinion  ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #37 on: 05 October 2011, 23:05:39 »

My boss is trying to get this done but he is doing it completely differently.

He is buying the panels from a friend who makes them, and getting them installed - that way he gets all the money.
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« Reply #38 on: 05 October 2011, 23:10:33 »

My boss is trying to get this done but he is doing it completely differently.

He is buying the panels from a friend who makes them, and getting them installed - that way he gets all the money.

Will he qualify to sell it for umpteen times its' market value, though? ;)
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« Reply #39 on: 05 October 2011, 23:24:27 »

My boss is trying to get this done but he is doing it completely differently.

He is buying the panels from a friend who makes them, and getting them installed - that way he gets all the money.

The ONLY way he will get the feed in tariff (the bit that is worth having) is by having the installation accredited by an approved MCS installer. The installer then registers the install and you get the benefit. It isn't possible for a DIY install to do this..........

You might want to point that out to him. He will probably invalidate his buildings insurance on a DIY job also. High voltage DC is nasty (i.e. lethal stuff) - hence the requirement for an accredited installation.
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Re: Domestic solar panels
« Reply #40 on: 05 October 2011, 23:27:36 »

My boss is trying to get this done but he is doing it completely differently.

He is buying the panels from a friend who makes them, and getting them installed - that way he gets all the money.

The ONLY way he will get the feed in tariff (the bit that is worth having) is by having the installation accredited by an approved MCS installer. The installer then registers the install and you get the benefit. It isn't possible for a DIY install to do this..........

You might want to point that out to him. He will probably invalidate his buildings insurance on a DIY job also. High voltage DC is nasty (i.e. lethal stuff) - hence the requirement for an accredited installation.

Thought there'd be a "jobs for the boys" clause in the deal somewhere. ;)
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Re: Domestic solar panels
« Reply #41 on: 06 October 2011, 08:14:30 »

I personaly hope they come to thier senses and knock the ridiculous inflated fed in rates on the head VERY soon.

Clearly a subjective opinion  ::) ::) ::)

Quite the contary, the infeed rates that are being underwritten are stupidly high for what is a very environmentaly damaging (to make) technology and they are not the answer to energy production.

Whats more is the subsidy given towards the rates could be far better spent in getting wind power etc to actualy be a USEFUL energy source rather than a blot on the landscape which contributes jack all.
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« Reply #42 on: 06 October 2011, 15:14:43 »

I personaly hope they come to thier senses and knock the ridiculous inflated fed in rates on the head VERY soon.

Clearly a subjective opinion  ::) ::) ::)

Quite the contary, the infeed rates that are being underwritten are stupidly high for what is a very environmentaly damaging (to make) technology and they are not the answer to energy production.

Whats more is the subsidy given towards the rates could be far better spent in getting wind power etc to actualy be a USEFUL energy source rather than a blot on the landscape which contributes jack all.

I would be interested to know what the carbon trade-off actually is, as these figures are not readily available. I assume that HMG encourages their fitment to help us meet our carbon reduction targets. I have heard similar arguments to yours before, but have never seen any figures to assist in coming to an objective conclusion. In the meantime, as they have been screwing taxes out of me forever, I'm quite happy to get something back. :y
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« Reply #43 on: 06 October 2011, 21:01:00 »

I really would like to know the answer to this.  :-\
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Re: Domestic solar panels
« Reply #44 on: 07 October 2011, 13:00:14 »

My boss is trying to get this done but he is doing it completely differently.

He is buying the panels from a friend who makes them, and getting them installed - that way he gets all the money.

The ONLY way he will get the feed in tariff (the bit that is worth having) is by having the installation accredited by an approved MCS installer. The installer then registers the install and you get the benefit. It isn't possible for a DIY install to do this..........

You might want to point that out to him. He will probably invalidate his buildings insurance on a DIY job also. High voltage DC is nasty (i.e. lethal stuff) - hence the requirement for an accredited installation.

Thought there'd be a "jobs for the boys" clause in the deal somewhere. ;)

Thats a messy one as well, looked into this as a possible for myself, apart from having to spend crap loads of money for the MSC course, bit less if your already NIC, and pass the exams, you still dont get MCS approval untill you have completed and installed at least 2 full feed in tarrif systems and had the work inspected by MCS but you cant even think about installing anything to do with feed in unless your MCS approved!

Chicken, egg, chicken, egg.
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