Omega Owners Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Please play nicely.  No one wants to listen/read a keyboard warriors rants....

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7 8   Go Down

Author Topic: I'm in deep poo :(  (Read 10083 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

blackviper90210

  • Omega Baron
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Bromsgrove, West Midlands
  • Posts: 2486
    • 03 3.2 Elite Saloon
    • View Profile
Re: I'm in deep poo :(
« Reply #15 on: 24 October 2011, 08:38:38 »

I appreciate that there is not enough police officers and there is so much work to be done, far more important than me, but just a courtesy call from the station to say that he was busy and would call at a later date, it's not that difficult  ???
Logged
AKA - Mr Bracket

Marks DTM Calib

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • West Bridgford
  • Posts: 34012
  • Git!
    • View Profile
Re: I'm in deep poo :(
« Reply #16 on: 24 October 2011, 10:37:26 »

Indeed, dont ever say you will call and then dont, rather better to say we will contact you in due course or call us.
Logged

blackviper90210

  • Omega Baron
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Bromsgrove, West Midlands
  • Posts: 2486
    • 03 3.2 Elite Saloon
    • View Profile
Re: I'm in deep poo :(
« Reply #17 on: 03 November 2011, 10:57:57 »

****Update****

Had Pc Little ring me & then turn up at my house last night regarding the incident.

He cautioned me but said I wasn't under arrest. I asked him what the complaint was and he replied - undue car and attention & dangerous driving.

He informs me that it was an off duty police officer in the other car that was involved and has been pestering him for updates on the situation!! He didn't seem to impressed by him, tbh.

Anyway, I gave him the details of events that day and as it turns out, its nothing like what this copper has said. I apparently chased him and cut him up approaching a set of lights, then when they went green cut him up again and hit wingmirrors before driving off!!
I'm impressed with that version of events, lol.

He tells me that officers can no longer deal with these cases anymore, it has to go before some office workers to decide if there is a case to be answered at court. If so, I could at worst, be jailed. More likely though, fined, retested and given points. The best part though, it can take 6 months to find out!! Yippeeee f**king do.  >:(

So there you have it, don't cut off duty coppers up, they are great story tellers, lol. No, in all seriousness I don't have an issue with the Police. They have a hard enough job as it is and like all trades, there are a few bad apples!!

Just wait 'n see now  :-\

Anyone want to buy a 3.0 estate LPG'd / swop for a push bike?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Logged
AKA - Mr Bracket

MaxV6

  • Omega Baron
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Oxford UK
  • Posts: 2484
  • Give me 6 cylinders and i'm happy.
    • 2.2SportPremium Jag est
    • View Profile
    • Work related forums....
Re: I'm in deep poo :(
« Reply #18 on: 03 November 2011, 11:13:28 »

contest the hell out of it...

all they have is his word against yours and no proof.

he's an off duty copper, so what....  he's a human, male....     not a bloody god.

   


been there, seen that, done it, got the tee shirt....


Logged
If I haven't broken it yet, I soon will.
"The 4th Rule of Robotics: When turning evil, display a red indicator light.

blackviper90210

  • Omega Baron
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Bromsgrove, West Midlands
  • Posts: 2486
    • 03 3.2 Elite Saloon
    • View Profile
Re: I'm in deep poo :(
« Reply #19 on: 03 November 2011, 12:50:18 »

Cheers for that MaxV6, I intend to. Its just the waiting game  :(
Logged
AKA - Mr Bracket

ted_one

  • Guest
Re: I'm in deep poo :(
« Reply #20 on: 03 November 2011, 13:11:15 »

Take care!possible stitch up coming you're way! >:(
Logged

albitz

  • Guest
Re: I'm in deep poo :(
« Reply #21 on: 03 November 2011, 13:11:49 »

If its your word against an off duty copper,your breaked mate. :(
Logged

RobG

  • Omega Queen
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Bristol
  • Posts: 13831
  • I might have a link, pic or part number for that
    • 16 plate Mokka. Vivaro
    • View Profile
Re: I'm in deep poo :(
« Reply #22 on: 03 November 2011, 13:18:24 »

If its your word against an off duty copper,your breaked mate. :(
Foregone conclusion I would imagine
Logged
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

UPVC windows/doors/fascias/soffit/gutters supplied/fitted

JamesV6CDX

  • Omega Queen
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gloucestershire/Buckinghamshire
  • Posts: 16640
    • Omega 3.2 Retail MV6 LPG
    • View Profile
Re: I'm in deep poo :(
« Reply #23 on: 03 November 2011, 13:21:12 »

Dave,

Did the PC Say these words to you:

"You will be reported for the offence(s) of: ***"

?
Logged

duggs

  • Omega Knight
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Felixstowe
  • Posts: 1212
    • BMW 3.0 Sport
    • View Profile
Re: I'm in deep poo :(
« Reply #24 on: 03 November 2011, 13:36:36 »

Interestingly....IF he was off duty he wasn't travelling during the course of his duties.

Did he track you down by going the correct DVLA route OR did he use the National Police Computer Data base.

If the latter and with him being "off duty" then his actions may well be illegal.

I've always been under the impression that Police Officers can not use the Data base for personal matters under
the Data Protection Act.
Logged

JamesV6CDX

  • Omega Queen
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gloucestershire/Buckinghamshire
  • Posts: 16640
    • Omega 3.2 Retail MV6 LPG
    • View Profile
Re: I'm in deep poo :(
« Reply #25 on: 03 November 2011, 13:48:22 »

Interestingly....IF he was off duty he wasn't travelling during the course of his duties.

Did he track you down by going the correct DVLA route OR did he use the National Police Computer Data base.

If the latter and with him being "off duty" then his actions may well be illegal.

I've always been under the impression that Police Officers can not use the Data base for personal matters under
the Data Protection Act.

Duggs,

Sentiments of your post are correct, however the law makes no distinction as to whether a Constable is on/off duty.

It sounds to me like the off duty officer simply noted down the VRM, and passed it on to a colleague to deal with - who, based upon this complaint, would have got Dave's details from PNC.

This would be the correct course of action, as it would be a conflict of interests for the officer (complanant) to deal with it / make the enquiries himself.

Assuming this is the case, nothing illegal and no data protection issues have occured.





Logged

JamesV6CDX

  • Omega Queen
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gloucestershire/Buckinghamshire
  • Posts: 16640
    • Omega 3.2 Retail MV6 LPG
    • View Profile
Re: I'm in deep poo :(
« Reply #26 on: 03 November 2011, 14:07:33 »

Hi Dave,

Bear in mind this is, very strictly, a matter of my personal opinion – but here are a few of my thoughts.

The PC said to you the complaint was driving without due care and attention, AND dangerous driving?

They quite simply cannot have two bites at the cherry on this one!

As far as the allegation goes, you were either driving without due care, or you were or driving dangerously. You can only be charged / summonsed for ONE of those offences.

It’s very important that you know which one of those offences (If any) they intend to slot you for. This is because the implications of them both, are vastly different.

Driving without due care and attention

This is a summary traffic offence, which means the Police can summons you to court if they consider the offence to be complete, and believe there to be sufficient evidence. The sentencing guidelines for this, if convicted, are 3 to 9 penalty points and a financial penalty of no greater than £5000. This offence does not carry any custodial sentence, and there is zero chance of being locked up for it. The reality is, is you have a clean(ish) licence, the likely outcome (if convicted of course) would be three penalty points, and a fine equivalent to a weeks worth of your income.

Dangerous Driving

For this offence, Police need would need authorisation from the CPS before you can be charged/summonsed. The reality is, it is rare for CPS to roll with dangerous driving, unless there is some VERY concrete evidence of it. Specifically, it would have to be objectively evidenced how the alleged driving was ‘dangerous’ as opposed to simply careless.

Either way, if they are serious about prosecuting you for one of the offences, you should be given the opportunity to be interviewed under caution, to put across your version of events, and put forward any defences/denials you may wish to make.

Due care/Dangerous driving isn’t an absolute offence (Eg, like with insurance, where you either have it or you don’t) – it’s objective, and therefore you would need to be at least given the opportunity to co-operate with an interview, during which you’re entitled to legal representation if you want it.

Dave – did the PC record anything you said, either in his Pocket Notebook, or on a form called a “Contemporaneous Interview”? Did he get you to sign anything?

The job of the Police is to gather evidence, and investigate allegations thoroughly – not decide on what sentences people are likely to get. Personally – and this is only a personal opinion, I reckon the fact that the officer involved is speaking of Jail, Disqualifications / Retests etc, means he might just be trying to give you a shake-up and make you sweat!!

I also agree wholeheartedly with MAXV6 – who cares that the bloke is off duty Job?

Yes it may mean the courts consider him a credible witness – but, that doesn’t mean your credibility is any lower!!

Remember, as far as you know, he is the only witness against you, and assuming this is the case - it is still only his opinion of events against yours. If you truly believe you are not guilty, then you absolutely have to contest it to the very end…

Like I say – this is a personal view. You know where I am, pick up the phone or pop down if you want to chat about it….
Logged

blackviper90210

  • Omega Baron
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Bromsgrove, West Midlands
  • Posts: 2486
    • 03 3.2 Elite Saloon
    • View Profile
Re: I'm in deep poo :(
« Reply #27 on: 03 November 2011, 14:50:36 »

Bloody hell James, your a walking law bible, lol.  Cheers for the info mate!!

I was under caution and he wrote down everything we said. Afterwards, he got me to thoroughly read all that he'd written and asked me to sign against my replies. He made it crystal clear to me that I had to be totally happy with the report before I sign each one, if I wasn't happy, he'd re-write it.
It was spot on and I had no issues with it, then it turns out he noticed the picture of my 2 brother in laws, both of which he knows (they're both serving in West Mercia, Worcester). Both had a good chuckle and he asked me to say hi to both of them and if I can't get hold of him, get them to get hold of him through work!

Thanks again James, much appreciated mate!   :y
Logged
AKA - Mr Bracket

JamesV6CDX

  • Omega Queen
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gloucestershire/Buckinghamshire
  • Posts: 16640
    • Omega 3.2 Retail MV6 LPG
    • View Profile
Re: I'm in deep poo :(
« Reply #28 on: 03 November 2011, 15:14:07 »

Bloody hell James, your a walking law bible, lol.  Cheers for the info mate!!

I was under caution and he wrote down everything we said. Afterwards, he got me to thoroughly read all that he'd written and asked me to sign against my replies. He made it crystal clear to me that I had to be totally happy with the report before I sign each one, if I wasn't happy, he'd re-write it.
It was spot on and I had no issues with it, then it turns out he noticed the picture of my 2 brother in laws, both of which he knows (they're both serving in West Mercia, Worcester). Both had a good chuckle and he asked me to say hi to both of them and if I can't get hold of him, get them to get hold of him through work!

Thanks again James, much appreciated mate!   :y

That would have been an MG15 - Contempraneous Interview. So you have been interviewed.
Were you told that you have a right to legal representation, at any time?

Did he say to you "You will be reported" for any offences?
Logged

Seth

  • Omega Lord
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • South Wales Valleys
  • Posts: 6646
  • If there's a 'system' - play it ... !
    • '99 2.5TD GLS Estate
    • View Profile
Re: I'm in deep poo :(
« Reply #29 on: 03 November 2011, 15:38:41 »

Experienced a similar, though totally unrelated situation myself a while back.

In the situation that you've outlined here, the interviewing officer MUST inform you of your rights (the right to a duty solicitor), BEFORE commencing said interview. If you do require legal representation, then the Police must arrange this, and TWO officers have to be present thence. This procedure can be a right pain for them, so it seems that he 'forgot' to mention this here.

And the term 'under caution': You're technically under caution whenever such an interview takes place - it's nowt to bother yourself over.

 
Logged
Gettin' seriously hacked-off by those who ignore the wisdom of proven experience ... and Forum guidelines.
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7 8   Go Up
 

Page created in 0.012 seconds with 17 queries.