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[tigers_gonads]

Get the best legal advise you can 

Also try and find out if this officer has any dubious history with things like this 
Just because the tw*t has a warrent card in his pocket, it doesn't mean he has been a saint all his life 
Do you know anybody who works for the local paper ?
Start asking around 

Good luck mate 

[bootie]

40's still young.......in my book anyway.

I mis-read that bit about the 23 year clean licence Re-read it now and it all makes sense.

Anyhoo, I stand by what I said, get onto pepipoo and get a good brief, make sure they know traffic law and are not just a general solicitor, they can be worse than having no-one for all the good they do.

There's loads more about representing yourself and having McKenzie friends but thats all on the website.

[aaronjb]

Not good.

Time to get an expensive traffic brief.

[farty_towels]

Is it possible that the only way the copper can get the cost of repairing his car is to prove somebody else is culpable?

I'm sure 23 years of clean driving will speak volumes, and I'm even more sure that if there is any justice in this world, this will also turn out ok in the end. Even if it is a ball ache at the moment!

Good luck...!

[SJKOO01]

Dave,

I'm not 100% on this one, but think that the Officer in question (driving) would also have to provide a statement of the facts and sign it that it is believed to be a true statement of facts.

You know where I am, give me a bell if you want to, even if just to vent off steam!  .

[blackviper90210]

Thanks for all the advice guys. I'll be having a deeper look at the website too, after just browsing it, it looks ideal, cheers!

Regarding a brief, I've got no chance. I barely have enough money each week to make ends meet, baby, toddler and SWMBO

I can't understand how they can take it this far considering it's just one word against another. There is no other witnesses, no video footage etc??


I'll be going back to my RAF driver training days and drawing a step by step diagram of road markings and vehicle positions etc.  I'm also going to ask for copies of any evidence they have against me and ask for the other persons details. I also want to know if it was HIS idea to prosecute me for undue care & attention or whether he has had any input into it etc.

I'm also going to ask my 2 brother in laws if they will attend with me and be a character reference for me, providing they're not on duty!!


If all else fails, I'll make it worth while if they decide to find me guilty. Never been one for going down quietly. If they think a stuck up bloke wearing a girls wig who knows nothing about me, bothers me.... I'll take him out on a tour of Helmand the next time I go.... I'll take the copper too and use him as a mine detector!

That copper is making my blood boil...argghhhhhhhhhhhh.......



Sorry about that last bit....steam vent just gave way

[blackviper90210]

Dave,

I'm not 100% on this one, but think that the Officer in question (driving) would also have to provide a statement of the facts and sign it that it is believed to be a true statement of facts.

You know where I am, give me a bell if you want to, even if just to vent off steam!  .

Cheers Mike. appreciate that. I might end up joining you and Dan down the pub on Sunday after the meet, lol.

[fattyfattyboomalatty]

just seen this thread, if you know the name of the police officer please pm me. I overtook a nissan micra and an articulated lorry, in a 60mph zone on single carriageway. didnt think anything of it. recieved a knock on the door 3 days later with 2 uniformed officers. asked me what happened and I honestly told them. turned out the micra driver was an off duty cop who reported me for dangerous driving, after I had given my version of accounts he gave a statement. HE WAS THE COP TAKING MY STATEMENT!
anyway his version was physically impossible but I still had to go to court 4 times, 3 of which he didnt turn up to, neither did his star witness, his wife who had been sat in the passenger seat!
The 4th time at court we proceeded with the hearing even though he hadnt turned up. A police officer is never off duty it seems, so no defence there, the magistrates decided that I must have done something to cause him to report me, I HONESTLY HADNT, they reduced the charge to driving without due care and attention gave me 5 points and a £400 fine!!
the cop had done very similar things before. just wondered if it was coincidental enough to be the same guy who transferred out of northumbria police VERY soon after the event.

[JamesV6CDX]

Dave, ini all seriouslness, do you fancy a pint one evening soon? I'll pop up to Bromsgrove on the train? 

[JamesV6CDX]

Dave, honestly no disrespect to the poster above, but I would advise against disclosing too much to anyone on a forum, especially ID's and such, before you've taken legal advice.....

fattyfatty... if the officer who witnessed it is the one who interviewed you - there's no problem with that. If he was a VICTIM of an offence, then of course he couldn't deal - but, if he simply observed one, no problem whatsoever with him interviewing you.

It's no different to PC plod seeing someone committing a burglary, nicking them, and then doing the interview...

[blackviper90210]

just seen this thread, if you know the name of the police officer please pm me. I overtook a nissan micra and an articulated lorry, in a 60mph zone on single carriageway. didnt think anything of it. recieved a knock on the door 3 days later with 2 uniformed officers. asked me what happened and I honestly told them. turned out the micra driver was an off duty cop who reported me for dangerous driving, after I had given my version of accounts he gave a statement. HE WAS THE COP TAKING MY STATEMENT!
anyway his version was physically impossible but I still had to go to court 4 times, 3 of which he didnt turn up to, neither did his star witness, his wife who had been sat in the passenger seat!
The 4th time at court we proceeded with the hearing even though he hadnt turned up. A police officer is never off duty it seems, so no defence there, the magistrates decided that I must have done something to cause him to report me, I HONESTLY HADNT, they reduced the charge to driving without due care and attention gave me 5 points and a £400 fine!!
the cop had done very similar things before. just wondered if it was coincidental enough to be the same guy who transferred out of northumbria police VERY soon after the event.

If and when I find out his details, I'll post them up and then we'll see if it is the same guy. Be handy to check to see if he's done this type of thing before, even if it's not the same one

[blackviper90210]

Dave, honestly no disrespect to the poster above, but I would advise against disclosing too much to anyone on a forum, especially ID's and such, before you've taken legal advice.....

fattyfatty... if the officer who witnessed it is the one who interviewed you - there's no problem with that. If he was a VICTIM of an offence, then of course he couldn't deal - but, if he simply observed one, no problem whatsoever with him interviewing you.

It's no different to PC plod seeing someone committing a burglary, nicking them, and then doing the interview...

Just seen your post James...point taken. Restraint on my part    I need to chill a bit me thinks, lol

[Vamps]

I am in no way anti Police, indeed I often have to work alongside them This however is a worrying situation, if an off duty Police Officer (I appreciate they are never off duty as such, much like me) can take such actions without supporting evidence / witness etc they could say almost anything, and there will always be the odd bad apple.....

Actually I am beginning to talk myself out of my argument...........Seems unfair and unbalanced though......

[Vamps]

Dave, honestly no disrespect to the poster above, but I would advise against disclosing too much to anyone on a forum, especially ID's and such, before you've taken legal advice.....

fattyfatty... if the officer who witnessed it is the one who interviewed you - there's no problem with that. If he was a VICTIM of an offence, then of course he couldn't deal - but, if he simply observed one, no problem whatsoever with him interviewing you.

It's no different to PC plod seeing someone committing a burglary, nicking them, and then doing the interview...

Just seen your post James...point taken. Restraint on my part    I need to chill a bit me thinks, lol

And be on your best and most respectful behaviour in Court and wear a suit and tie........rightly or wrongly, first impressions and attidude DO count...........

[blackviper90210]

I've never been anti police as such.  I have always tried to abide by the law and not go out of my way to break it.  As you say, it feels slightly unfair as there is no other verification of the incident that has been described