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Brief lifter noise from cold
« on: 23 October 2011, 15:05:03 »

On a cold morning, my 3.2 when first started, has a brief clatter of lifters. It clears very quickly, couple of seconds or so, and then is fine.

I have done a few oil changes over the last 6 months. Only does it when weather seems cold, and first started.

130k on clock.

Live with it?
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Re: Brief lifter noise from cold
« Reply #1 on: 23 October 2011, 15:23:29 »

It's always annoying when it's your own car isn't it? I suppose a good strip down, new lifters and a check of the oil supply would cure it, but is it worth doing?
My 2.6 sounds naff, even when warm...so I'll get it sorted, but I think when it's your own car we can always be over sensitive.

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Re: Brief lifter noise from cold
« Reply #2 on: 23 October 2011, 15:26:41 »

you know where I am if you want me to do it Josh  :)
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Re: Brief lifter noise from cold
« Reply #3 on: 23 October 2011, 15:39:13 »

Mine seems to be the same :( :(
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Re: Brief lifter noise from cold
« Reply #4 on: 23 October 2011, 16:18:25 »

Worth checking the pickup strainer?
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Re: Brief lifter noise from cold
« Reply #5 on: 23 October 2011, 16:20:35 »

Worth checking the pickup strainer?
Definitely on "the list" for mine, although it goes instantly. Perhaps each lifter clicks twice then fine
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Re: Brief lifter noise from cold
« Reply #6 on: 23 October 2011, 16:27:48 »

My 3.0 with 77k is exactly the same. TBH I only tend to use my car a couple of times a week - usually @ the weekend. But if I do use it, say, the following day it's usually ok from cold.

I was thinking about using Wynn's lifter treatment, but am already on my 4th oil change in the 2,000 miles that I've owned the car, so hopefully there isn't much more to be gained from further more frequent changes -although will continue to get them done every 6 months or so, 
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Re: Brief lifter noise from cold
« Reply #7 on: 23 October 2011, 16:35:01 »

It takes a couple of seconds for oil pressure to build after a cold start, so any lifters that have deflated will take a few seconds to quieten. I wouldn't worry about it, TBH.
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Re: Brief lifter noise from cold
« Reply #8 on: 23 October 2011, 16:45:15 »

On a cold morning, my 3.2 when first started, has a brief clatter of lifters. It clears very quickly, couple of seconds or so, and then is fine.

I have done a few oil changes over the last 6 months. Only does it when weather seems cold, and first started.

130k on clock.

Live with it?
Cold oil = viscous oil

Viscous oil puts a massive strain on the oil pump. If the oil has drained out of the system it takes much longer for the oil pump to prime and refill the oil-ways (and valve lifters).

VX sell 5w-30 fully synthetic oil at an extremely reasonable price on trade club. I switched to using it in my last car when I started worrying about the time it was taking to quieten after a winter cold start. That was at around 150,000 miles and it was still running sweetly when I got rid of it at 200,000.

I don't understand the OOF fixation on using 10w-40. It is like treacle when cold and only saves about £2 each oil change.  :-\
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Re: Brief lifter noise from cold
« Reply #9 on: 23 October 2011, 17:08:48 »

On a cold morning, my 3.2 when first started, has a brief clatter of lifters. It clears very quickly, couple of seconds or so, and then is fine.

I have done a few oil changes over the last 6 months. Only does it when weather seems cold, and first started.

130k on clock.

Live with it?
Cold oil = viscous oil

Viscous oil puts a massive strain on the oil pump. If the oil has drained out of the system it takes much longer for the oil pump to prime and refill the oil-ways (and valve lifters).

VX sell 5w-30 fully synthetic oil at an extremely reasonable price on trade club. I switched to using it in my last car when I started worrying about the time it was taking to quieten after a winter cold start. That was at around 150,000 miles and it was still running sweetly when I got rid of it at 200,000.

I don't understand the OOF fixation on using 10w-40. It is like treacle when cold and only saves about £2 each oil change.  :-\
£6-7 on a v6, around £8 on TD, at published TC prices ;)
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Re: Brief lifter noise from cold
« Reply #10 on: 23 October 2011, 17:13:51 »

Even so.. drink a couple of pints less or have one course less at the curry house and you've covered the difference ;)
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Re: Brief lifter noise from cold
« Reply #11 on: 23 October 2011, 17:19:40 »

So is the consensus on high milers to use 5w-30 ??

What is the true price then for 4 for 3 on T/C for 5w-30 then,as I am fast approaching 200k and need to stock up on some oil an filters in the next week or so. :y
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Re: Brief lifter noise from cold
« Reply #12 on: 23 October 2011, 17:19:49 »

Even so.. drink a couple of pints less or have one course less at the curry house and you've covered the difference ;)
Or use gm semi, which causes me no issues whatsoever on 180k 3.0, 60k 3.2, 110k K series, 41k Kawasaki and a clapped out lawnmower ;)
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Re: Brief lifter noise from cold
« Reply #13 on: 23 October 2011, 17:20:28 »

So is the consensus on high milers to use 5w-30 ??

What is the true price then for 4 for 3 on T/C for 5w-30 then,as I am fast approaching 200k and need to stock up on some oil an filters in the next week or so. :y
just over £58+VAT

Semi = £38+VAT
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Re: Brief lifter noise from cold
« Reply #14 on: 23 October 2011, 17:22:02 »

Even so.. drink a couple of pints less or have one course less at the curry house and you've covered the difference ;)
Or use gm semi, which causes me no issues whatsoever on 180k 3.0, 60k 3.2, 110k K series, 41k Kawasaki and a clapped out lawnmower ;)
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