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Sarkozy/Merkel vs. Berlusconi
« on: 25 October 2011, 22:35:16 »

Read this.

Methinks Silvio is a tad miffed. Mind you, I would be too. ;)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15452367
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Re: Sarkozy/Merkel vs. Berlusconi
« Reply #1 on: 25 October 2011, 22:47:34 »

I've always said that Germany would win the next war Economically. Sarkozy should ditch his nom de guerre and revert to Petain ;D
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Re: Sarkozy/Merkel vs. Berlusconi
« Reply #2 on: 25 October 2011, 22:49:33 »

Read this.

Methinks Silvio is a tad miffed. Mind you, I would be too. ;)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15452367

All the Italians I know (there are several at work) would be only too happy to see ol' Bunga Bunga sacrificed. Quite possibly literally.
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Re: Sarkozy/Merkel vs. Berlusconi
« Reply #3 on: 25 October 2011, 23:05:41 »

Read this.

Methinks Silvio is a tad miffed. Mind you, I would be too. ;)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15452367

All the Italians I know (there are several at work) would be only too happy to see ol' Bunga Bunga sacrificed. Quite possibly literally.

True, but the Italians do have national pride which trumps party politics. Having your PM being told to bring a letter in person to the French/Germans is a tad demeaning - even if you're not a Berlusconi fan.  ;)
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Re: Sarkozy/Merkel vs. Berlusconi
« Reply #4 on: 25 October 2011, 23:10:49 »

What a laugh.

I believe now that the Wednesday meeting has been postponed.

You couldn't make it up.  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Sarkozy/Merkel vs. Berlusconi
« Reply #5 on: 25 October 2011, 23:11:33 »

Wait for the riots/demo's to start in Italy...just as happened in Greece :y
Might get a bit nastier, methinks :)
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Re: Sarkozy/Merkel vs. Berlusconi
« Reply #6 on: 25 October 2011, 23:25:04 »

From Zero Hedge:

"Very simply, the facts of the current environment in Europe don’t equal the conclusion that a coordinated effort will restore confidence.  The fact of the matter is that European Sovereigns are massively indebted and European banks are massively under-capitalized.  The proposed solution of raising capital and issuing fresh debt to solve this issue is a joke.
If I walk away from a home I owe $200k on and its fair market value is $100k (a 50% haircut), does a loan to my bank for $100K from the institution overseeing it change the impairment?  No.  You’re shuffling the cards.  Instead of taking a $100k loss, they now have an asset worth $100k and a new liability of $100k.  The asset is still worth $100k. Even though their little maneuver technically gives them an asset of $100k and cash of $100k, my bank now has $100K less to lend against.  Thus, their leverage increases.

This analogy applies to European banks holding sovereign paper... and for that matter the countries themselves (ie Italy voting on whether Italy's debt should be purchased by the ECB/IMF/EFSF, etc).  At this point, any 'plans' are only slightly more creative than card shuffling tricks from a clown at an 8 year old's birthday party."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-facts-don%E2%80%99t-equal-conclusion-europe

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Re: Sarkozy/Merkel vs. Berlusconi
« Reply #7 on: 26 October 2011, 00:13:01 »

Berlesconi obviously just doesnt get it.Germany now owns Greece and will probably soon own Italy as well.He is suddenly talking like a eurosceptic.If he thinks that the big players cant speak and make decisions on behalf off (and demands on) the weaker players, then he is even more stupid than he looks. ::)
If it isnt stopped,the logical conclusion to all this is that Germany runs Europe with France as its sidekick. So,we effectively fought two world wars for nothing. :(
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Re: Sarkozy/Merkel vs. Berlusconi
« Reply #8 on: 26 October 2011, 00:13:48 »

...hasn't it disappeared up it's own jacksy yet?  Sigh...
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Re: Sarkozy/Merkel vs. Berlusconi
« Reply #9 on: 26 October 2011, 09:41:25 »

If it isnt stopped,the logical conclusion to all this is that Germany runs Europe with France as its sidekick. So,we effectively fought two world wars for nothing. :(

So.. precisely what Germany has been trying to do for the last 60 years..
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Re: Sarkozy/Merkel vs. Berlusconi
« Reply #10 on: 26 October 2011, 09:45:02 »

Looks like Berlesconi is going today.One less sleazy little crook in European politics.Im sure there will be another one along any minute. ::)
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Re: Sarkozy/Merkel vs. Berlusconi
« Reply #11 on: 26 October 2011, 09:46:19 »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/1488350/Berlusconi-offers-to-stand-down-over-coalition-row.html

So.. He's going.... After hanging on desperately for another few months so he can get his Christmas bonus.
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Re: Sarkozy/Merkel vs. Berlusconi
« Reply #12 on: 26 October 2011, 10:01:53 »

Looks like Berlesconi is going today.One less sleazy little crook in European politics.Im sure there will be another one along any minute. ::)

Where did you read that, Albs? Because the Telegraph article Kevin linked to is from 2005.. ;)
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Re: Sarkozy/Merkel vs. Berlusconi
« Reply #13 on: 26 October 2011, 10:05:36 »

Looks like Berlesconi is going today.One less sleazy little crook in European politics.Im sure there will be another one along any minute. ::)

Where did you read that, Albs? Because the Telegraph article Kevin linked to is from 2005.. ;)

Ahh. :-[ That'll teach me to find links in a hurry.

Heard on the news this morning. He's standing down and organising an early election in the new year, apparently.
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Re: Sarkozy/Merkel vs. Berlusconi
« Reply #14 on: 26 October 2011, 10:10:32 »

Yep - Beeb is reporting it this morning. :y
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