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[AndySnapper]

I have a 1998 Omega Elite Auto Estate with the BMW 2.5TD lump.

Driven the car from new, initially as company car (lucky me) which I became so attached to, I bought it for myself when it turned 4 years old.

I think there has always been a problem with warm starting on this model and I understand that some electronics have been produced at one time, to enable the glow plugs to be heated even when the engine is warm. I have lost track of where I read this (it might have been in this forum).

Having spent lots of money on replacing glow plugs, injector strip-downs and cleaning, leak-off pipe replacements I am loathe to continue chucking good money after bad all the time. It may be I have to move on from this old favourite as I cannot take the risk of becoming stranded.

I already keep the installed battery on daily charge with a Cetek MXS 7.0 to give me the best chance of a purposeful turn each start. I also carry a brand new Varta Silver 85ah backup in the boot with some jump leads for use in an emergency.

As you are probably aware if the straight 6 TD engine fails to start after 3 or 4 turns you are left without enough power to make any further attempts without a jump or recharge. Even begining with a 100% charged brand new battery!

I would really appreciate any ideas or contacts of people who might help me solve this. Apart from this problem the car is going great in every other respect.

Cheers!

Andy

[fiend61]

is this the kit you are asking about
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HOT-STARTING-FIX-RANGE-ROVER-BMW-DIESEL-P38-2-5DT-DSE-/370504759153?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5643cdf771

 

[AndySnapper]

Thanks! I think it is the one (albiet configured for an Omega not Range Rover).

I have emailed them to see if the Vauxhall version is available.

Not sure if this will solve the problem but for the money, it has to be worth a try I think.

Cheers!

Andy

[marrus69]

We can also supply this unit configured for BMW Diesel cars most bmw’s made between 1994-2001 uses this engine And the Vauxhall Omega using the BMW 6 cylinder engine please email if you need one of these.

[AndySnapper]

Hehe!

That is why I emailed them :-)

Have you had similar problems and did this gadget solve them?

Cheers!

Andy

[Elite Pete]

I've got one you can have for £15 delivered. I bought it for an Omega I had, fitted it but the gearbox went the day after

[tidla]

I have a 1998 Omega Elite Auto Estate with the BMW 2.5TD lump.

Driven the car from new, initially as company car (lucky me) which I became so attached to, I bought it for myself when it turned 4 years old.

I think there has always been a problem with warm starting on this model and I understand that some electronics have been produced at one time, to enable the glow plugs to be heated even when the engine is warm. I have lost track of where I read this (it might have been in this forum).

Having spent lots of money on replacing glow plugs, injector strip-downs and cleaning, leak-off pipe replacements I am loathe to continue chucking good money after bad all the time. It may be I have to move on from this old favourite as I cannot take the risk of becoming stranded.

I already keep the installed battery on daily charge with a Cetek MXS 7.0 to give me the best chance of a purposeful turn each start. I also carry a brand new Varta Silver 85ah backup in the boot with some jump leads for use in an emergency.

As you are probably aware if the straight 6 TD engine fails to start after 3 or 4 turns you are left without enough power to make any further attempts without a jump or recharge. Even begining with a 100% charged brand new battery!

I would really appreciate any ideas or contacts of people who might help me solve this. Apart from this problem the car is going great in every other respect.

Cheers!

Andy

sounds like a lead or lazy start issue as well?

[Omegatoy]

I've got one you can have for £15 delivered. I bought it for an Omega I had, fitted it but the gearbox went the day after

Hi Pete,

if the original [poster doesent have this i will, post to oxfordshire ok?
must be within the next 10 days though! or it wont get here! lolol
 

[AndySnapper]

I've got one you can have for £15 delivered. I bought it for an Omega I had, fitted it but the gearbox went the day after

Aargh! Saw your post too late 

Already ordered and paid for one from Taw Park 4X4. It's not the one that looks like it is housed in a 35mm film case. I went for a rectangular version with the wires less exposed. Fingers-crossed I can fit it ok and it solves my hot starting issue.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hot-Start-Starting-Fix-BMW-Vauxhall-Opel-Omega-M51-Diesel-Engine-/390352398314?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5ae2d0e7ea

Cheers to all who replied!

Andy

[osealy]

I made one for my 2.5TD. It would just start with full batt & I also carried a spare. 2K2 resistor in series with pump temp sensor. But lazy starter was the problem , and sorting that fixed every thing.

[AndySnapper]

That's interesting!

Sorry for my thickness but what is a lazy starter and how is it cured? 

My starter motor whizzes the engine around when the battery is 100% but then subsequent attempts drain the remaining power very quickly. Bear in mind I have a new 85ah heavy duty battery installed.

If that is symptom of the battery being lazy, what next please?

Cheers!

Andy

[AndySnapper]

That's interesting!

Sorry for my thickness but what is a lazy starter and how is it cured? 

My starter motor whizzes the engine around when the battery is 100% but then subsequent attempts drain the remaining power very quickly. Bear in mind I have a new 85ah heavy duty battery installed.

If that is symptom of the battery being lazy, what next please?

Cheers!

Andy

Anybody please?   

[tidla]

always start with the battery test first. i know you say its relatively new, but some of the cheap rubbish out there is just a waste of time. go old fashion "drop test". a service available at most motor factors who sell batteries.

then test the cables between the battery and the starter motor, positive and negative under staring conditions. any more than .5 of a volt is considered resistance (ie corrosion or poor joint connection.

then consider a possible starter motor fault which can also be tested by those that rebuild them.

[Kevin Wood]

Don't be too quick to dismiss the battery, especially if it's new. It may not be being adequately charged on the vehicle, for example.

Here's the proper diagnosis procedure to follow: http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90619.0

A good check of the connections between battery, alternator and charger would be worthwhile in case something is making a poor connection.

[Seth]

My previous TD suffered from this hot-starting problem, and that was after a new injection pump at over 1200 quid!

Whilst the charge rate was perfect, and the (existing) battery was really very good, in sheer desperation, I lashed out and fitted a quality (Varta I think) model-specific battery.
Result: Problem solved immediately, and that car's still running beautifully over three years later. And I know of one other member who followed this procedure, who also effected an immediate and lasting cure.

If your alternator's in good health, I'd fit a top notch battery (of the correct spec), and see what happens!