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[cem_devecioglu]

last page shows the summary of all tests done..

http://www.goodyear.eu/tr_tr/images/TUV-SUD-report-UG8.pdf

[Kevin Wood]

Doesn't look like we're getting a proper winter here, so...



 

[cem_devecioglu]

Doesn't look like we're getting a proper winter here, so...



 

mmm. I understand wrong so need to modify

[aaronjb]

It was -4C this morning, that's pretty proper for me (No snow, just frost, admittedly)

The winter tyres have a ton more grip at that temperature .. heck, I think they have more grip at -4C than the (cheap) summer tyres had when it was warm & dry! Though that didn't stop me from having a nice (!) four wheel drift off a roundabout on Saturday 


Cem - Kevin meant we're not getting any snow, not that you can't get good winter tyres here (I have Goodyear UG 8 on the car right now..)

[cem_devecioglu]

It was -4C this morning, that's pretty proper for me (No snow, just frost, admittedly)

The winter tyres have a ton more grip at that temperature .. heck, I think they have more grip at -4C than the (cheap) summer tyres had when it was warm & dry! Though that didn't stop me from having a nice (!) four wheel drift off a roundabout on Saturday 


Cem - Kevin meant we're not getting any snow, not that you can't get good winter tyres here (I have Goodyear UG 8 on the car right now..)

my coin dropped a bit late 

anyway , weekend was snowy here but today there were no snow on roads .. EXCEPT  >>> frost..  and its -6 at the moment.. so its a bigger problem than snow..

ps: please dont drift with brand new UG 8

[aaronjb]

It's nice knowing I still have 'normal' grip levels when it's cold and frosty; although I try not to drive quite as fast as I would in the summer because I know that - winter tyres or not - you can't break the laws of physics, and a big patch of ice could really ruin my day

During the day (when it's been sunny) though, you could easily argue you don't need them - there was certainly plenty of grip available when I went out in a friends car (a 2008 Porsche 911 C2S with the PDK gearbox - holy hell that's a fast car.. which I now want.) despite it having summer tyres on it.

[VXL V6]

Well after experiencing Goodyear Eagle Ultragrip M+S tyres I can only say that they must be smoking something very strange if Goodyear think they've made anything remotely acceptable to place on any vehicle that's capable of more than 20mph in the rain.

Quite honestly they are absolutely lethal. Even on a DTi the rear is like a pendulum after every corner at moderate speeds. The used l'zen M+S tyres I have on the front are infinitely better in every respect. To put the Goodyears in perspective, I would sooner drive a car with Michelin energy tyres with 1.6mm of tread on them in any winter road conditions.

[cem_devecioglu]

Well after experiencing Goodyear Eagle Ultragrip M+S tyres I can only say that they must be smoking something very strange if Goodyear think they've made anything remotely acceptable to place on any vehicle that's capable of more than 20mph in the rain.

Quite honestly they are absolutely lethal. Even on a DTi the rear is like a pendulum after every corner at moderate speeds. The used l'zen M+S tyres I have on the front are infinitely better in every respect. To put the Goodyears in perspective, I would sooner drive a car with Michelin energy tyres with 1.6mm of tread on them in any winter road conditions.

 
 
so you say that test winning winter tires are crap on wet roads ? 
 
did you check their dates ?
 
there is definitely something wrong..
 
or all those test makers are reporting b*llox and my experience too

[cem_devecioglu]

Well after experiencing Goodyear Eagle Ultragrip M+S tyres I can only say that they must be smoking something very strange if Goodyear think they've made anything remotely acceptable to place on any vehicle that's capable of more than 20mph in the rain.

Quite honestly they are absolutely lethal. Even on a DTi the rear is like a pendulum after every corner at moderate speeds. The used l'zen M+S tyres I have on the front are infinitely better in every respect. To put the Goodyears in perspective, I would sooner drive a car with Michelin energy tyres with 1.6mm of tread on them in any winter road conditions.

 
 
so you say that test winning winter tires are crap on wet roads ? 
 
did you check their dates ?
 
there is definitely something wrong..
 
or all those test makers are reporting b*llox and my experience too

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2010-Auto-Bild-Winter-Tyre-Test.htm

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2011-Winter-Tyre-Buying-Guide.htm

[D]

Well after experiencing Goodyear Eagle Ultragrip M+S tyres I can only say that they must be smoking something very strange if Goodyear think they've made anything remotely acceptable to place on any vehicle that's capable of more than 20mph in the rain.

Quite honestly they are absolutely lethal. Even on a DTi the rear is like a pendulum after every corner at moderate speeds. The used l'zen M+S tyres I have on the front are infinitely better in every respect. To put the Goodyears in perspective, I would sooner drive a car with Michelin energy tyres with 1.6mm of tread on them in any winter road conditions.

Very odd. They are very capable tyres. UG 2 or 8? New or part worn? Are you mixing tyres? As Cem says they are very highly rated. I have no experience of UG8 but the 2's on a previous BMW were fantastic and only bettered by some continental winter tyres.

[VXL V6]

Well after experiencing Goodyear Eagle Ultragrip M+S tyres I can only say that they must be smoking something very strange if Goodyear think they've made anything remotely acceptable to place on any vehicle that's capable of more than 20mph in the rain.

Quite honestly they are absolutely lethal. Even on a DTi the rear is like a pendulum after every corner at moderate speeds. The used l'zen M+S tyres I have on the front are infinitely better in every respect. To put the Goodyears in perspective, I would sooner drive a car with Michelin energy tyres with 1.6mm of tread on them in any winter road conditions.

 
 
so you say that test winning winter tires are crap on wet roads ? 
 
did you check their dates ?
 
there is definitely something wrong..
 
or all those test makers are reporting b*llox and my experience too

Strangely enough I didn't find it funny....

[aaronjb]

The only time I've broken traction with the UG8s (bear in mind they're only 195/65R15s, too) has been by playing silly buggers (i.e. full throttle in reverse, stamp on the brakes, slam it into D and resume full throttle by stamping on the go pedal .. I was having a bad day) - rain, dry, frosty they've had much, much more grip than either the summer tyres that were on it when I got it or the ones that replaced them.

I had to really provoke it to get it to slide on Saturday (40-45mph around a small roundabout where the exit immediately bends to the left sharply did it).

[cem_devecioglu]

VXL V6,  this road is not wet or even muddy.. (or my eyes not telling me truth) 

either you have some geometry problem or you forced the car to its limits.. 

so for your safety I recommend  you check the geometry and tire surface..

because even the worst tires can manage more than 20 mph on that road.. 

[cem_devecioglu]

the only time I loose control of the miggy was last week on a 90 degrees turn with 20 mph and surface was complete ice!!!

tires were older ( 5 years old ) UG 500..

[feeutfo]

Sorry to see this Andy. Hope your ok first of all?


...and that there's not too much damage.