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[Varche]

Publicity stunt? or will it actually achieve results?

If he is serious about it he could go back to only licensed outlets selling alcohol. You could call them pubs and off licences for want of better names. Supermarkets wouldn't be allowed to sell any alcohol. No sales unless you are over 50 and can prove it?

The costs to the NHS £2.7billion a year direct and indirect costs to the nation of £17billion a year? I wonder how much drug abuse costs the UK. I wonder if alcohol will end up as expensive as it is in Norway!!!!!!!!!!

[cleggy]

Seems to me that this all started when the licensing laws changed to all day opening the so called cafe society
Why not go back to 11.00 -15.00, and 17.00-23.00, with clubs until 02.00.  QED

[jimac]

They started with the smokers.  Now they'll go after the drinkers.  Then it'll be a serious tackling of obesity.

After that, we'll hear that euthanasia is being made legal so that the growing pensioner problem can be tackled.

We can't win.  We either die too early or live too long.

[tigers_gonads]

Look at how much tax he would lose then look at how much money the NHS would save 

[Dishevelled Den]

The thing that our Prime Minister fails to understand - given his propensity for sound-bites and the need to say something without really saying anything of import - is that;

Talk is cheap - whiskey costs money.

It's about time that these oppss got on with governing the country without talking such shite - and, if they do make such proposals, for oppss sake implement them and spare us the need to constantly listen to such spineless drivel.

[Kevin Wood]

What exactly is the drink problem?

The effects of drinking are widely known and have been for years.

Alcoholics, according to Cameron, are not the problem, so we're not dealing with anything as problematic as addiction.

"Binge Drinkers" are, apparently, the problem. I.e. Those who prefer to drink their entire weekly 21 units (or whatever) in one hit on a Friday night. With a pint at the pub nudging £3.50 I don't blame them for wanting to get their money's worth, TBH.

Just like it was with the smokers, they know the risks, and make an informed decision, but that's not good enough for nanny state.

About the only proposal I agree with is limiting the availability of dirt cheap alcohol in supermarkets. Close the gap between cheap booze in supermarkets and stupidly expensive booze in pubs and you will move people to drinking in a supervised environment with social benefits, where someone responsible is there to tell them when they've had enough, rather than at home in front of kids, etc. That might also help halt the decline in the number of pubs.

But no.. EU says we can't do that.

[GastronomicKleptomaniac]

...someone responsible is there to tell them when they've had enough...

That's the main problem - it's very rare for people to say no.

[aaronjb]

...someone responsible is there to tell them when they've had enough...

That's the main problem - it's very rare for people to say no.

"We reserve the right to refuse service, at which point we will be attacked by a man wielding a chainsaw"

Nope, I'm not making it up: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099487/Moment-drug-fuelled-maniac-stormed-pub-CHAINSAW-thrown-smoking.html

(Ok, he wasn't doing it because he'd been refused service, but because he'd been kicked out for smoking..)

[tigers_gonads]

Its not so much the amount the youth of today drink, its the "I can say and do what I f**king want" attitude 
30 years ago when I was doing the rounds in every place I could find that sold alcohol, I would never dream of acting the way these little sh*ts do 

In most citys, its hard to find a bar where you can go and have a few beers without some 19 year old who has drunk 3 bottles of beer wanting to take the world on 

Until the punishment fits the crime where violence and alcohol is conserned, people will never get the message

[tigers_gonads]

...someone responsible is there to tell them when they've had enough...

That's the main problem - it's very rare for people to say no.

"We reserve the right to refuse service, at which point we will be attacked by a man wielding a chainsaw"

Nope, I'm not making it up: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099487/Moment-drug-fuelled-maniac-stormed-pub-CHAINSAW-thrown-smoking.html

(Ok, he wasn't doing it because he'd been refused service, but because he'd been kicked out for smoking..)

I know the landlord and a few lads who drink in there and believe me, he was very lucky to make it to hospital never mine court 
When he gets out, he will be shown the error of his ways as his friends where 

[aaronjb]

...someone responsible is there to tell them when they've had enough...

That's the main problem - it's very rare for people to say no.

"We reserve the right to refuse service, at which point we will be attacked by a man wielding a chainsaw"

Nope, I'm not making it up: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099487/Moment-drug-fuelled-maniac-stormed-pub-CHAINSAW-thrown-smoking.html

(Ok, he wasn't doing it because he'd been refused service, but because he'd been kicked out for smoking..)

I know the landlord and a few lads who drink in there and believe me, he was very lucky to make it to hospital never mine court 
When he gets out, he will be shown the error of his ways as his friends where 

And this is why I used to avoid Hull like the plague when I lived & worked up there..

[tigers_gonads]

Oi, no need for that   

To be honest, Hull (like most big city's) is going down the pan pretty fast 

1 in 10 adults unemployed
1 in 4 18 - 24 year olds unemployed
And its only going to get worse round here 
BAe has just locked up shop (900 went at christmas / another 2000 within 6 months as a direct consequence of it 
Another 1500 going as soon as a certain firm can relocate overseas 

Its rather grim round here at the moment 

[Rods2]

Allowing many town centre bars, was the start of the problem, when people drunk in their local, there were not the problems there are now, as people tend to behave better when they are in their immediate community and where there are their older peers.

It is very simple to sort the majority of the NHS costs out, caused by the Friday night 'shandy merchants', when their legless and need NHS help, charge them a £200 fee and a ban from drinking in bars in the area they were found for a month. 

It won't be long before the police start to Breathalyze people in any public place and if your over the prescribed limit, of say four pints, you then get an automatic £100 fine. This is the drinking equivalent of speed cameras. Governments ALWAYS go for easy targets, especially when their is easy money to be made. So, if you enjoy 5 or 6 pints on a Friday nights, are well behaved and quietly get home, you will be a target. 

[Kevin Wood]

Its not so much the amount the youth of today drink, its the "I can say and do what I f**king want" attitude 

Yep, that's the problem with society as a whole.

I suppose if you tightened up on landlords and made them truly responsible for their customers' actions, they might think hard about continuing to serve alcohol when someone's in danger of causing trouble.

For that to work you need to cut off the free supply of cheap booze for consumption on a park bench seemingly to people of all ages through supermarkets and corner shops, though.

It won't be long before the police start to Breathalyze people in any public place and if your over the prescribed limit, of say four pints, you then get an automatic £100 fine.

Yep, then they'll have some lovely figures showing how they've met their targets and solved the drinking problem despite having actually done the root of break all. They aren't interested in what they actually achieve, after all, just what they are seen to achieve.

[waspy]

As with most things, it's the minority that spoil it for the majority. The majority being sensible drinkers.
They'll tackle the minority & spoil it for everyone else in the process