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[Del Boy]

Please don't buy cheap tyres. Very close to stuffing a 350z tonight because of cheap tyres, little bit of throttle and the arse end starts sliding out, caught it just in time. Shit stuff though and a proper brown trouser moment, they're not worth it!

bad tyres or bad driving?

Bad tyres.

[cem_devecioglu]

Sc3's also pants in the snow. Worse than pants actually. Good job we didn't get much down here...

...so far. 

 

[Shimmy]

Seen as though tyres are always a hot topic, I've decided to make a sig.

[2woody]

i do just the opposite - have found over the years that all manufacturer's tyres in the same condition have just about the same level of grip as each other, dry or wet.

the big difference i feel is the hardness of the rubber. cheaper tyres often have softer rubber and can be worth going for just for that.

I'm currently running the MV6 on really soft, really cheap 235s ( £130 a set), and as a result it handles really well - certainly equal to tyres costing four times as much. They are wearing at quite a rate, tho.

aged tyres nare a different story - anything over three years and thge characteristics change quite a lot.

[D]

Which budget tyres are you using that are soft? I have universally found them hard and long lasting which in my book equates to no grip at all.

[OOMV6]

i do just the opposite - have found over the years that all manufacturer's tyres in the same condition have just about the same level of grip as each other, dry or wet.

the big difference i feel is the hardness of the rubber. cheaper tyres often have softer rubber and can be worth going for just for that.

I'm currently running the MV6 on really soft, really cheap 235s ( £130 a set), and as a result it handles really well - certainly equal to tyres costing four times as much. They are wearing at quite a rate, tho.

aged tyres nare a different story - anything over three years and thge characteristics change quite a lot.

Well, that is great ... and suprising. What about stopping?

[cem_devecioglu]

i do just the opposite - have found over the years that all manufacturer's tyres in the same condition have just about the same level of grip as each other, dry or wet.

the big difference i feel is the hardness of the rubber. cheaper tyres often have softer rubber and can be worth going for just for that.

I'm currently running the MV6 on really soft, really cheap 235s ( £130 a set), and as a result it handles really well - certainly equal to tyres costing four times as much. They are wearing at quite a rate, tho.

aged tyres nare a different story - anything over three years and thge characteristics change quite a lot.

I'm afraid thats not correct..

[Del Boy]

i do just the opposite - have found over the years that all manufacturer's tyres in the same condition have just about the same level of grip as each other, dry or wet.

the big difference i feel is the hardness of the rubber. cheaper tyres often have softer rubber and can be worth going for just for that.

I'm currently running the MV6 on really soft, really cheap 235s ( £130 a set), and as a result it handles really well - certainly equal to tyres costing four times as much. They are wearing at quite a rate, tho.

aged tyres nare a different story - anything over three years and thge characteristics change quite a lot.

I wish that were the case in my experience, cheap tyres I find are absolutely terrible in the wet, extremely dangerous! Whereas a proper branded tyre can handle sometimes nearly as well in the wet as it does in the dry. Those things on the 350z are absolutely terrible, if you brake from high speed even yesterday when the roads were bone dry, if you can feel the back end twitching, it's horrible, I purposely won't drive it at high speed now.

[cem_devecioglu]

i do just the opposite - have found over the years that all manufacturer's tyres in the same condition have just about the same level of grip as each other, dry or wet.

the big difference i feel is the hardness of the rubber. cheaper tyres often have softer rubber and can be worth going for just for that.

I'm currently running the MV6 on really soft, really cheap 235s ( £130 a set), and as a result it handles really well - certainly equal to tyres costing four times as much. They are wearing at quite a rate, tho.

aged tyres nare a different story - anything over three years and thge characteristics change quite a lot.

I wish that were the case in my experience, cheap tyres I find are absolutely terrible in the wet, extremely dangerous! Whereas a proper branded tyre can handle sometimes nearly as well in the wet as it does in the dry. Those things on the 350z are absolutely terrible, if you brake from high speed even yesterday when the roads were bone dry, if you can feel the back end twitching, it's horrible, I purposely won't drive it at high speed now.

I never buy cheapo tires after some bad experiences..  and god knows how much good tires
saved in many near misses..  even a small crash costs you many times of the initial tire price (not even the difference), and I dont count for injuries

[feeutfo]

Having had to grab a hand full of opposite lock from the passenger seat, to catch the car while Mrs G was driving in the rain, and twice while driving myself on wet roundabouts on tyres that have Falken/kumho levels of grip in the dry, yet zero grip levels in the wet, I must say I find 2woodys post a little odd.

Cheap tyres being renound for hopeless wet grip levels IME, wet v dry being similar to night v day in many cases. A difference thats so cavernous as to be dangerous IMO.

I can only presume the honourable member has either never bought top brand tyres, or some other oddness has occurred to form that opinion. 

[TheBoy]

Having had to grab a hand full of opposite lock from the passenger seat, to catch the car while Mrs G was driving in the rain, and twice while driving myself on wet roundabouts on tyres that have Falken/kumho levels of grip in the dry, yet zero grip levels in the wet, I must say I find 2woodys post a little odd.

Cheap tyres being renound for hopeless wet grip levels IME, wet v dry being similar to night v day in many cases. A difference thats so cavernous as to be dangerous IMO.

I can only presume the honourable member has either never bought top brand tyres, or some other oddness has occurred to form that opinion. 

What were the age on the Slingalongs? 2woody was implying that his experience is with new tyres. In fact his post implied that he changes them before 3rd birthday, not 5th birthday as recommended by most tyre manufacturers.

[feeutfo]

Having had to grab a hand full of opposite lock from the passenger seat, to catch the car while Mrs G was driving in the rain, and twice while driving myself on wet roundabouts on tyres that have Falken/kumho levels of grip in the dry, yet zero grip levels in the wet, I must say I find 2woodys post a little odd.

Cheap tyres being renound for hopeless wet grip levels IME, wet v dry being similar to night v day in many cases. A difference thats so cavernous as to be dangerous IMO.

I can only presume the honourable member has either never bought top brand tyres, or some other oddness has occurred to form that opinion. 

What were the age on the Slingalongs? 2woody was implying that his experience is with new tyres. In fact his post implied that he changes them before 3rd birthday, not 5th birthday as recommended by most tyre manufacturers.

2 years as I recall. A member here fitted them to those wheels prior to my ownership.

[TheBoy]

Having had to grab a hand full of opposite lock from the passenger seat, to catch the car while Mrs G was driving in the rain, and twice while driving myself on wet roundabouts on tyres that have Falken/kumho levels of grip in the dry, yet zero grip levels in the wet, I must say I find 2woodys post a little odd.

Cheap tyres being renound for hopeless wet grip levels IME, wet v dry being similar to night v day in many cases. A difference thats so cavernous as to be dangerous IMO.

I can only presume the honourable member has either never bought top brand tyres, or some other oddness has occurred to form that opinion. 

What were the age on the Slingalongs? 2woody was implying that his experience is with new tyres. In fact his post implied that he changes them before 3rd birthday, not 5th birthday as recommended by most tyre manufacturers.

2 years as I recall. A member here fitted them to those wheels prior to my ownership.

Wonder if they were 'good' when new, by age quickly?

Personally, 2woody's experiences do not match my own.

[feeutfo]

Having had to grab a hand full of opposite lock from the passenger seat, to catch the car while Mrs G was driving in the rain, and twice while driving myself on wet roundabouts on tyres that have Falken/kumho levels of grip in the dry, yet zero grip levels in the wet, I must say I find 2woodys post a little odd.

Cheap tyres being renound for hopeless wet grip levels IME, wet v dry being similar to night v day in many cases. A difference thats so cavernous as to be dangerous IMO.

I can only presume the honourable member has either never bought top brand tyres, or some other oddness has occurred to form that opinion. 

What were the age on the Slingalongs? 2woody was implying that his experience is with new tyres. In fact his post implied that he changes them before 3rd birthday, not 5th birthday as recommended by most tyre manufacturers.

2 years as I recall. A member here fitted them to those wheels prior to my ownership.

Wonder if they were 'good' when new, by age quickly?

Personally, 2woody's experiences do not match my own.

I do remember previous owner mentioning reasonable grip levels, which I agreed with in the dry. I dont think he drove in the wet on them though. 

I am impressed though, how to agree with opposing view.

[2woody]

I wasn't expecting others to agree, mind. I was merely stating what I've found out over the years.

I buy maybe 40 tyres a year, of different makes varying from premium to cheap- and yes, I really have yet to find a great difference in wet grip between new premium tyres and new cheapos. Driving style, ambient temperature, road surface and car spec all have much bigger effect.

Last time I did a tyre test for a manufacturer ( which was a long time ago ), we found something like a 10% variation in wet grip between best and worst.

Most of these tyres end their days on track, where the cheaper, softer ones usually provide more grip, but don't last as long.