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[the alarming man]

Well, as said, seen quack, convo went something like this...

Quack: "So, why are you here"
Me: "I'm in agony"
Quack: "What do you expect, you've been thrown around a bit in the accident. If its not less painful in 3 or 4 months, come back. I'd offer Physio, but its a 3 month waiting list"
Me: "Gee, thanks"






So my views and thoughts on the bottomless pit of inefficiency that we know as the NHS remains unchanged.

thats really funny thats what the quack said too me....NHS physio = crap



i am now in a position where if i walk too far or just happen to in a way my hip doesnt like i am in agony....get it sorted ASAP

[cem_devecioglu]

Robot ? Nah,one end of a chain attached to car,other end to something solid - drive off, job jobbed.

     job jobbed or car will have mitotic division so you will have 2 cars now
 
ps : or we will end up being kicked out of the forum tonight

[feeutfo]

Physio's tend to learn the trade on nhs, then go private IME.

That aside, I find it's purely luck of the draw how good the treatment is. Some are just better than others.

Thing is Physio tends to concentrate on soft tissue, hence ideal for TB () more advanced professionals realise the need for scelatle skills such chiropractic etc, and are then in a position to offer a very complete service. If you find one of these, depending on your needs, keep hold of them. In fact let me know, mine moved up north, I've yet to find anyone anywhere near as experienced.

They also tend to be female and usually quite attractive. although now I've said that he's bound to get some old boiler.

[LJay]

Physio's tend to learn the trade on nhs, then go private IME.

That aside, I find it's purely luck of the draw how good the treatment is. Some are just better than others.

Thing is Physio tends to concentrate on soft tissue, hence ideal for TB () more advanced professionals realise the need for scelatle skills such chiropractic etc, and are then in a position to offer a very complete service. If you find one of these, depending on your needs, keep hold of them. In fact let me know, mine moved up north, I've yet to find anyone anywhere near as experienced.

They also tend to be female and usually quite attractive. although now I've said that he's bound to get some old boiler.

Depends on their training, some specialise in musculoskeletal, hence being useful after car accidents others take a neurological approach and look at rebuilding damaged pathways which he may need later on if not treated appropriately now.
Going private would be the logical choice as practitioners aren't limited by NHS constraints and do tend to tap into other professional thinking.

I trained under some fantastic physio's who were constantly frustrated at the NHS' lack of recognition of other practises and was constantly encouraged to investigate other ideas.

Incidently none of them were young pretty females.......except me!

[feeutfo]

Physio's tend to learn the trade on nhs, then go private IME.

That aside, I find it's purely luck of the draw how good the treatment is. Some are just better than others.

Thing is Physio tends to concentrate on soft tissue, hence ideal for TB () more advanced professionals realise the need for scelatle skills such chiropractic etc, and are then in a position to offer a very complete service. If you find one of these, depending on your needs, keep hold of them. In fact let me know, mine moved up north, I've yet to find anyone anywhere near as experienced.

They also tend to be female and usually quite attractive. although now I've said that he's bound to get some old boiler.

Depends on their training, some specialise in musculoskeletal, hence being useful after car accidents others take a neurological approach and look at rebuilding damaged pathways which he may need later on if not treated appropriately now.
Going private would be the logical choice as practitioners aren't limited by NHS constraints and do tend to tap into other professional thinking.

I trained under some fantastic physio's who were constantly frustrated at the NHS' lack of recognition of other practises and was constantly encouraged to investigate other ideas.

Incidently none of them were young pretty females.......except me!

yes, it's a bit frustrating on both sides. Bit like a salesman only wanting to sell what's for sale, weather that's what the patient needs or not. Physio has potential to cover a massive scope it seems to me, but then we all gota start somewhere.

I thought the nhs now recognise chiropractic? Which is far too fierce for me in all but 10% of my spine. But that 10% makes a massive difference when administered correctly, and theres no point going unless thats done. So my spine needs more than nhs can give anyway, afaict.

[Gaffers]

Soft tissue only?  Not the physio-terrorists I dealt with on my ankle when I had ATFL damage.  "I wont press too hard"  as I was launched in to orbit...... tinkers 

[feeutfo]

Soft tissue only?  Not the physio-terrorists I dealt with on my ankle when I had ATFL damage.  "I wont press too hard"  as I was launched in to orbit...... tinkers 

I'm quite you deserved it

[cem_devecioglu]

Physio's tend to learn the trade on nhs, then go private IME.

That aside, I find it's purely luck of the draw how good the treatment is. Some are just better than others.

Thing is Physio tends to concentrate on soft tissue, hence ideal for TB ( ) more advanced professionals realise the need for scelatle skills such chiropractic etc, and are then in a position to offer a very complete service. If you find one of these, depending on your needs, keep hold of them. In fact let me know, mine moved up north, I've yet to find anyone anywhere near as experienced.

They also tend to be female and usually quite attractive. although now I've said that he's bound to get some old boiler.

Depends on their training, some specialise in musculoskeletal, hence being useful after car accidents others take a neurological approach and look at rebuilding damaged pathways which he may need later on if not treated appropriately now.
Going private would be the logical choice as practitioners aren't limited by NHS constraints and do tend to tap into other professional thinking.

I trained under some fantastic physio's who were constantly frustrated at the NHS' lack of recognition of other practises and was constantly encouraged to investigate other ideas.

Incidently none of them were young pretty females.......except me!

 best physio I have ever seen is my wife , a hot iron , thick towel (to protect me from burning) , voltaren, muscle relaxing pills and fruit gelly (made from animals not veggy)..

with doctors I had no luck ..

[Entwood]

For those who have bad results from the usual chiropractic styles ,.. may i suggest you consider the McTimoney Chiropractors, if there is one near you.

http://www.mctimoneychiropractic.org

I slipped 2 discs many years ago, the military treated that by me lying in bed for 48 hours with weights attached to my ankles. It did no good at all and over the years I have suffered with back pain, especially after working on car engines, gardening .. that sort of thing ... anything that stretched or "used" the back  would see me struggling to walk for a week.

I then found this McTimoney thing ... and I recommend it highly ... no huge "cracking" of joints, no big pulling of limbs, it is all small movements done precisely...  I don't know why it makes such a big difference .. but it does. I had 1 months weekly treatment followed by 3 months of fortnightly treatments, so 10 sessions .... OK .. not cheap at £40 a session, but I now go every 6 months for a check over and i sleep and walk without pain. I can also do a set of cam cover gaskets without ending up walking like a pregnant duck.

HTH 

[feeutfo]

One just found the corner from me. Cheers E

[MaxV6]

I too have been berating TB,   with tales of woe and stern warnings.., he's probably suffering from nag fatigue by now, but hey ho....     if WE don;t look after the grumpy boy, who the hell will eh? 


couple of things,

1)  Physio wait is variable, and in some cases severity dependent,   i asked for a referral last week,  i'm booked in on thursday this week, so 3 months is horseshyte

2) SOME NHS physios are damn good..... for example the last lot i saw  based at the Nuffield hospital in Oxford....   and there ARE choices available to GP for referrals,  although it may have an effect on it's cost to the practice in NHS accountancy terms.....    do not go and moan about the back being sore, go and demand a referral NOW>    even if it IS 3 months wait, best to be able to get in in 3 months rather than 6.

3) ask about private treatment,   the costs should be recoupable on the insurance claim.   speak to your insurer for advice about how they would like it handled.

4)  if all that fails I'll bloody well go and see your quack and educate him on the question of referring you.....    ,   word of warning, you may have to change surgeries afterwards......     

5) DO NOT accept any settlement on the quick without having had physio and a full long term prognosis assessment from a specialist, and avoid the words full and final in any agreement relating to personal injury.....    these things have a way of coming back to haunt you....   permanently.....

[LJay]

Physio's tend to learn the trade on nhs, then go private IME.

That aside, I find it's purely luck of the draw how good the treatment is. Some are just better than others.

Thing is Physio tends to concentrate on soft tissue, hence ideal for TB () more advanced professionals realise the need for scelatle skills such chiropractic etc, and are then in a position to offer a very complete service. If you find one of these, depending on your needs, keep hold of them. In fact let me know, mine moved up north, I've yet to find anyone anywhere near as experienced.

They also tend to be female and usually quite attractive. although now I've said that he's bound to get some old boiler.

Depends on their training, some specialise in musculoskeletal, hence being useful after car accidents others take a neurological approach and look at rebuilding damaged pathways which he may need later on if not treated appropriately now.
Going private would be the logical choice as practitioners aren't limited by NHS constraints and do tend to tap into other professional thinking.

I trained under some fantastic physio's who were constantly frustrated at the NHS' lack of recognition of other practises and was constantly encouraged to investigate other ideas.

Incidently none of them were young pretty females.......except me!

yes, it's a bit frustrating on both sides. Bit like a salesman only wanting to sell what's for sale, weather that's what the patient needs or not. Physio has potential to cover a massive scope it seems to me, but then we all gota start somewhere.

I thought the nhs now recognise chiropractic? Which is far too fierce for me in all but 10% of my spine. But that 10% makes a massive difference when administered correctly, and theres no point going unless thats done. So my spine needs more than nhs can give anyway, afaict.

I think they do now but a lot of it depends on the open mindedness of your GP.  Things have moved on in the 10 years I've been out of the physio game.  I think things are heading towards a holistic approach rather than treating a localised area now.


And Guffer...our physio team motto for big wimps was no pain no gain!  Men are big babies.

[cem_devecioglu]

was a very nice car.. but the hits damaged it really badly.. especially the rear.. drivers door and  front wing can be changed easily but rear damage requires a robot to bring the car into original shape    which is also quite expensive here..
 
with UK repair costs and comparing to car prices its not logical to try repair there.. but here, still its worth a try..

Look at camber on NSR and OSF wheels, clearly there is some very serious damage underneath.

Additionally, look at picture in first post, passenger side (ie, NS), top of B pillar, that is a crease that wasn't there pre accident, so its actually very, very bent.

yesterday , I was sleepless and missed this post

clearly , this car needs robot repair.. and once you pay for it (ie rear) wont make difference for other parts if they correct.. 

(problem is cars are cheap there and I dont think you have the time to check/control bodyshops.. if you were here I could do it)

here you generally pay 300-400£ for robot..  and once they tie up chasis they will correct everywhere.. I know because we repaired a friends car which dropped off from lift.. it was definitely rhombus shaped.. then he used the car well for another 3 years and then sell..

as for the doc.. if the NHS doc was incompetent, go private imo..  but as others said you can claim for health issues.. let the other drivers pay for your health.. 

[the alarming man]

Physio's tend to learn the trade on nhs, then go private IME.

That aside, I find it's purely luck of the draw how good the treatment is. Some are just better than others.

Thing is Physio tends to concentrate on soft tissue, hence ideal for TB () more advanced professionals realise the need for scelatle skills such chiropractic etc, and are then in a position to offer a very complete service. If you find one of these, depending on your needs, keep hold of them. In fact let me know, mine moved up north, I've yet to find anyone anywhere near as experienced.

They also tend to be female and usually quite attractive. although now I've said that he's bound to get some old boiler.

I have to agree with Chris it is really luck of the draw who you get.the best lot I have come across are situated in rainham in Kent and are affiliated too gillingham football club they do seem to know what they are doing

[LJay]

Physio's tend to learn the trade on nhs, then go private IME.

That aside, I find it's purely luck of the draw how good the treatment is. Some are just better than others.

Thing is Physio tends to concentrate on soft tissue, hence ideal for TB () more advanced professionals realise the need for scelatle skills such chiropractic etc, and are then in a position to offer a very complete service. If you find one of these, depending on your needs, keep hold of them. In fact let me know, mine moved up north, I've yet to find anyone anywhere near as experienced.

They also tend to be female and usually quite attractive. although now I've said that he's bound to get some old boiler.

I have to agree with Chris it is really luck of the draw who you get.the best lot I have come across are situated in rainham in Kent and are affiliated too gillingham football club they do seem to know what they are doing

Was going to add that if you can find a sports physio, they usually know their stuff.