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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: mega3.0v6 on 22 April 2012, 11:25:45
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Hi all im looking at changing my cam covers and my friends mine is a 3.2 and friends is a 2.6 are the gaskets the same and will these one be ok or they the wrong ones.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150799105248?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Thanks in advance.
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Do not buy pattern, they won't last. buy genuine, make sure you get the correct black sealant (see the guide)
Drop a PM to AndyC, he will send you everything you need at a very good price :y
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Gaskets the same but those in your link are not the genuine ones that VX use.
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Thanks for the replies but will these ones be ok.
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NO.
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Thanks for the replies but will these ones be ok.
What part of "Do not buy pattern" did you not understand? I even put the not in bold! ??? :o
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But are they ok though ? :-\
:D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I was only asking the question no need for a reply like that sorry for asking. But when you are on a budget this is what would i go for. I have had many omegas but not one with coil packs and never had problems if these where issues with pattern parts then they should not be SOLD. It should be OE all the way.
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I was only asking the question no need for a reply like that sorry for asking. But when you are on a budget this is what would i go for. I have had many omegas but not one with coil packs and never had problems if these where issues with pattern parts then they should not be SOLD. It should be OE all the way.
Both Rob and myself both replied kindly, but it appeared you chose not to read what we said, and repeat the exact same question again?
Pattern ones of course can be sold, as can budget tyres which are lethal, you can fit them, but they will last a fraction of the time. Fact 3.2/2.6 have coil packs makes no difference to how the gaskets work.
Pattern gaskets are false economy, you will end up doing the job again, it will cost you more in the long run.
Full kit, o-rings, gaskets, black goo from andyc (a manager at a Vaux dealer) will cost you around £75, done right, gaskets will last for 6 figure mileage. (easily 5 years+)
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Another one gone because he didn`t take kindly to advice given ::) ::)
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Another one gone because he didn`t take kindly to advice given ::) ::)
Oh dear :-X
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as you can see not everyone can buy from vx stealers some off us cant affored vx prices we keep our cars going on a shoe string well i have never had trouble with patten parts .each to what you can buy at the time :y
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as you can see not everyone can buy from vx stealers some off us cant affored vx prices we keep our cars going on a shoe string well i have never had trouble with patten parts each to what you can buy at the time :y
Can't argue with that pal! Nor the fact that Maiden rock ;D
Unfortunately cam cover gaskets are one of those things that need to be genuine, which I know from experience :-X
Cost is always a factor we, as Omega owners, have to work around :D
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a mate of mine done his cam gasket with patten part its been on the car 4 years now and not a leak got mine from vx started leaking after 2 years so figure tha one out :y :y :y
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as you can see not everyone can buy from vx stealers some off us cant affored vx prices we keep our cars going on a shoe string well i have never had trouble with patten parts .each to what you can buy at the time :y
Very true Ralf, but if everyone deleted their account when they were advised of the pitfalls with using certain pattern parts the Oof membership would deplete quite rapidly.
If people do not wish to accept advice from members who have experienced problems with pattern parts, don`t post seemples :y
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as you can see not everyone can buy from vx stealers some off us cant affored vx prices we keep our cars going on a shoe string well i have never had trouble with patten parts .each to what you can buy at the time :y
Very true Ralf, but if everyone deleted their account when they were advised of the pitfalls with using certain pattern parts the Oof membership would deplete quite rapidly.
If people do not wish to accept advice from members who have experienced problems with pattern parts, don`t post seemples :y
i agree rob but some patten parts are not bad :y
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Completely pointless posting if steadfastly determind to ignore advice. Why ask if buying anyway..?
For anyone else reading, it's important to understand the concept of "false economy" when buying pattern parts IMO. Cam cover gaskets for omega are absolutely a prime example.
In order to get pattern gaskets to last as long as GM genuine from a dealer only, you'll need to replace them, at absolute best, every 6 months. Genuine will last years up to 90k ish.
Ignoring labour charges, that makes pattern gaskets alone extremely expensive. Especially considering the damage failed gaskets can cause to the ignition system.
We have had numerous members come on complaining thier gaskets have failed within months of fitting, only to find they fitted pattern and not genuine. Don't be a mug, vx only!
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as you can see not everyone can buy from vx stealers some off us cant affored vx prices we keep our cars going on a shoe string well i have never had trouble with patten parts .each to what you can buy at the time :y
Very true Ralf, but if everyone deleted their account when they were advised of the pitfalls with using certain pattern parts the Oof membership would deplete quite rapidly.
If people do not wish to accept advice from members who have experienced problems with pattern parts, don`t post seemples :y
i agree rob but some patten parts are not bad :y
Clearly we are talking about a specific part.
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Completely pointless posting if steadfastly determind to ignore advice. Why ask if buying anyway..?
For anyone else reading, it's important to understand the concept of "false economy" when buying pattern parts IMO. Cam cover gaskets for omega are absolutely a prime example.
In order to get pattern gaskets to last as long as GM genuine from a dealer only, you'll need to replace them, at absolute best, every 6 months. Genuine will last years up to 90k ish.
Ignoring labour charges, that makes pattern gaskets alone extremely expensive. Especially considering the damage failed gaskets can cause to the ignition system.
We have had numerous members come on complaining thier gaskets have failed within months of fitting, only to find they fitted pattern and not genuine. Don't be a mug, vx only!
its ok if vx drop their prices and not rip us off :y :y and their is parts you can only buy from vx thats the only time i go to vx
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Completely pointless posting if steadfastly determind to ignore advice. Why ask if buying anyway..?
For anyone else reading, it's important to understand the concept of "false economy" when buying pattern parts IMO. Cam cover gaskets for omega are absolutely a prime example.
In order to get pattern gaskets to last as long as GM genuine from a dealer only, you'll need to replace them, at absolute best, every 6 months. Genuine will last years up to 90k ish.
Ignoring labour charges, that makes pattern gaskets alone extremely expensive. Especially considering the damage failed gaskets can cause to the ignition system.
We have had numerous members come on complaining thier gaskets have failed within months of fitting, only to find they fitted pattern and not genuine. Don't be a mug, vx only!
its ok if vx drop their prices and not rip us off :y :y
You need to be able to see life from others view point. Why should vx drop thier prices when nobody else can make them reliably...?
Don't get me wrong, they ain't cheap, but it is without doubt the cheapest repair.
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Completely pointless posting if steadfastly determind to ignore advice. Why ask if buying anyway..?
For anyone else reading, it's important to understand the concept of "false economy" when buying pattern parts IMO. Cam cover gaskets for omega are absolutely a prime example.
In order to get pattern gaskets to last as long as GM genuine from a dealer only, you'll need to replace them, at absolute best, every 6 months. Genuine will last years up to 90k ish.
Ignoring labour charges, that makes pattern gaskets alone extremely expensive. Especially considering the damage failed gaskets can cause to the ignition system.
We have had numerous members come on complaining thier gaskets have failed within months of fitting, only to find they fitted pattern and not genuine. Don't be a mug, vx only!
its ok if vx drop their prices and not rip us off :y :y
You need to be able to see life from others view point. Why should vx drop thier prices when nobody else can make them reliably...?
Don't get me wrong, they ain't cheap, but it is without doubt the cheapest repair.
not always :y not when you havent got the money to pay vx prices :'( :'(
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Completely pointless posting if steadfastly determind to ignore advice. Why ask if buying anyway..?
For anyone else reading, it's important to understand the concept of "false economy" when buying pattern parts IMO. Cam cover gaskets for omega are absolutely a prime example.
In order to get pattern gaskets to last as long as GM genuine from a dealer only, you'll need to replace them, at absolute best, every 6 months. Genuine will last years up to 90k ish.
Ignoring labour charges, that makes pattern gaskets alone extremely expensive. Especially considering the damage failed gaskets can cause to the ignition system.
We have had numerous members come on complaining thier gaskets have failed within months of fitting, only to find they fitted pattern and not genuine. Don't be a mug, vx only!
its ok if vx drop their prices and not rip us off :y :y
You need to be able to see life from others view point. Why should vx drop thier prices when nobody else can make them reliably...?
Don't get me wrong, they ain't cheap, but it is without doubt the cheapest repair.
not always :y
...I think you'll find, given the op's input, that the thread relates to cam cover gaskets, yes?
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Let me put it another way.
Say you come on here Ralph, asking advice on what cam cover gaskets to use. And I reply use pattern they are far cheaper than geniuine.
You fit them, or possibly pay someone to do the job which may very well include replacing the ignition system due the oil leaked from the previous set, and 3 months later you start getting misfires again.
You come back on here bemoaning my advice, and rightly so, but you still have to then fit genuine gaskets and replace the ignition parts that might be damaged. See how much money you've saved then!
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My own experience is that I didn't even know what the gaskets were, or why there was oil in the plug wells. Left the car into a recommended mechanic who 'fixed' it. Less than three months later there was more oil in the wells than in the sump. I was cross, but found OOF and ended up sorting it out myself, with genuine parts.
I appreciate there are a lot of variables in my particular case, but for me it's 'once bitten, twice shy' with regard to the cam covers.
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as you can see not everyone can buy from vx stealers some off us cant affored vx prices we keep our cars going on a shoe string well i have never had trouble with patten parts .each to what you can buy at the time :y
Very true Ralf, but if everyone deleted their account when they were advised of the pitfalls with using certain pattern parts the Oof membership would deplete quite rapidly.
If people do not wish to accept advice from members who have experienced problems with pattern parts, don`t post seemples :y
i agree rob but some patten parts are not bad :y
We are talking cam cover gaskets here, not exhausts or cambelts.
If you are DIY'ing your gaskets, the amount of effort & time spent changing them (especially on a V6) its a job you only want to do once!
I gave clear advice, don't see why he got the hump :-\ I get the feeling the OP had already purchased those gaskets!
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Does seem a little strange :(
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Heres my twopence worth on this one . . .
2 very respected & knowledgeable members answered the OP's original question . He chose to ignore their answers & asked the same question again, that being " but are these OK? "
While it maybe not be 100% of the members on here think that genuine VX cam cover gaskets is the only way to go . . it is the vast majority.
I cannot understand why the OP had to ask the question again . . he had already been told . . . maybe he thought they (Tunnie & Rob ) would change their minds ;) ;)
This forum supplies top quality, experience related information on Omegas to anyone who needs advice .
If that advice is shunned then I don't think anyone on here should be losing any sleep over this particular instance
or this particular member ;) ;)
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as you can see not everyone can buy from vx stealers some off us cant affored vx prices we keep our cars going on a shoe string well i have never had trouble with patten parts .each to what you can buy at the time :y
Very true Ralf, but if everyone deleted their account when they were advised of the pitfalls with using certain pattern parts the Oof membership would deplete quite rapidly.
If people do not wish to accept advice from members who have experienced problems with pattern parts, don`t post seemples :y
i agree rob but some patten parts are not bad :y
We are talking cam cover gaskets here, not exhausts or cambelts.
If you are DIY'ing your gaskets, the amount of effort & time spent changing them (especially on a V6) its a job you only want to do once!
I gave clear advice, don't see why he got the hump :-\ I get the feeling the OP had already purchased those gaskets!
Suggest he got the hump because of the manner of your reply.
You didn't in fact answer his question which was "will these ones be ok or they the wrong ones." - just said "Do not buy pattern". If you had looked at the link the seller posted, although the seller does't actually state they are genuine VX, he does strongly infer so and quotes Vx part numbers. Surely it would have been more helpful to answer the guys question and advise these were not genune Vx but pattern and therefore not to use (as RobG tried to do).
Because his question went effectively unanswered the guy repeated his question which Albs answered, and you then responded as if the guy was a moron. He was genuinely asking for help because he hadn't the experience of other members. Not the way to treat a "Newbie" IMO, but definitely the way to lose members >:(
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Don't agree.
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as you can see not everyone can buy from vx stealers some off us cant affored vx prices we keep our cars going on a shoe string well i have never had trouble with patten parts .each to what you can buy at the time :y
Very true Ralf, but if everyone deleted their account when they were advised of the pitfalls with using certain pattern parts the Oof membership would deplete quite rapidly.
If people do not wish to accept advice from members who have experienced problems with pattern parts, don`t post seemples :y
i agree rob but some patten parts are not bad :y
We are talking cam cover gaskets here, not exhausts or cambelts.
If you are DIY'ing your gaskets, the amount of effort & time spent changing them (especially on a V6) its a job you only want to do once!
I gave clear advice, don't see why he got the hump :-\ I get the feeling the OP had already purchased those gaskets!
Suggest he got the hump because of the manner of your reply.
You didn't in fact answer his question which was "will these ones be ok or they the wrong ones." - just said "Do not buy pattern". If you had looked at the link the seller posted, although the seller does't actually state they are genuine VX, he does strongly infer so and quotes Vx part numbers. Surely it would have been more helpful to answer the guys question and advise these were not genune Vx but pattern and therefore not to use (as RobG tried to do).
Because his question went effectively unanswered the guy repeated his question which Albs answered, and you then responded as if the guy was a moron. He was genuinely asking for help because he hadn't the experience of other members. Not the way to treat a "Newbie" IMO, but definitely the way to lose members >:(
How do you know I did not look at it? Do you have access to my logs?
I did click the link, I did not bother to read the auction, because at £16 they are not going to be genuine are they?
Also what did Rob say just after me?
Gaskets the same but those in your link are not the genuine ones that VX use.
His question was answered, I bet he had just already bought them and didn't like what we had to say.
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as you can see not everyone can buy from vx stealers some off us cant affored vx prices we keep our cars going on a shoe string well i have never had trouble with patten parts .each to what you can buy at the time :y
Very true Ralf, but if everyone deleted their account when they were advised of the pitfalls with using certain pattern parts the Oof membership would deplete quite rapidly.
If people do not wish to accept advice from members who have experienced problems with pattern parts, don`t post seemples :y
i agree rob but some patten parts are not bad :y
We are talking cam cover gaskets here, not exhausts or cambelts.
If you are DIY'ing your gaskets, the amount of effort & time spent changing them (especially on a V6) its a job you only want to do once!
I gave clear advice, don't see why he got the hump :-\ I get the feeling the OP had already purchased those gaskets!
Suggest he got the hump because of the manner of your reply.
You didn't in fact answer his question which was "will these ones be ok or they the wrong ones." - just said "Do not buy pattern". If you had looked at the link the seller posted, although the seller does't actually state they are genuine VX, he does strongly infer so and quotes Vx part numbers. Surely it would have been more helpful to answer the guys question and advise these were not genune Vx but pattern and therefore not to use (as RobG tried to do).
Because his question went effectively unanswered the guy repeated his question which Albs answered, and you then responded as if the guy was a moron. He was genuinely asking for help because he hadn't the experience of other members. Not the way to treat a "Newbie" IMO, but definitely the way to lose members >:(
How do you know I did not look at it? Do you have access to my logs? 1
I did click the link, I did not bother to read the auction, because at £16 they are not going to be genuine are they?
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Also what did Rob say just after me?
Gaskets the same but those in your link are not the genuine ones that VX use.
His question was answered, I bet he had just already bought them and didn't like what we had to say.
1 - silly question - obviously not
2 - says it all - did not bother but assumed
At the end of the day you could have been politer in your response and given the guy the benefit of the doubt.
If he had asked the question a third time I would have agreed with your response
Can I have some popcorn Rob?
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as you can see not everyone can buy from vx stealers some off us cant affored vx prices we keep our cars going on a shoe string well i have never had trouble with patten parts .each to what you can buy at the time :y
Very true Ralf, but if everyone deleted their account when they were advised of the pitfalls with using certain pattern parts the Oof membership would deplete quite rapidly.
If people do not wish to accept advice from members who have experienced problems with pattern parts, don`t post seemples :y
i agree rob but some patten parts are not bad :y
We are talking cam cover gaskets here, not exhausts or cambelts.
If you are DIY'ing your gaskets, the amount of effort & time spent changing them (especially on a V6) its a job you only want to do once!
I gave clear advice, don't see why he got the hump :-\ I get the feeling the OP had already purchased those gaskets!
Suggest he got the hump because of the manner of your reply.
You didn't in fact answer his question which was "will these ones be ok or they the wrong ones." - just said "Do not buy pattern". If you had looked at the link the seller posted, although the seller does't actually state they are genuine VX, he does strongly infer so and quotes Vx part numbers. Surely it would have been more helpful to answer the guys question and advise these were not genune Vx but pattern and therefore not to use (as RobG tried to do).
Because his question went effectively unanswered the guy repeated his question which Albs answered, and you then responded as if the guy was a moron. He was genuinely asking for help because he hadn't the experience of other members. Not the way to treat a "Newbie" IMO, but definitely the way to lose members >:(
How do you know I did not look at it? Do you have access to my logs? 1
I did click the link, I did not bother to read the auction, because at £16 they are not going to be genuine are they?
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Also what did Rob say just after me?
Gaskets the same but those in your link are not the genuine ones that VX use.
His question was answered, I bet he had just already bought them and didn't like what we had to say.
1 - silly question - obviously not
2 - says it all - did not bother but assumed
At the end of the day you could have been politer in your response and given the guy the benefit of the doubt.
If he had asked the question a third time I would have agreed with your response
Can I have some popcorn Rob?
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I have made myself look like an arse...... Thanks for the replies and did not mean to start an arguement through this. I am mega3.0v6. I have not bought anything yet thanks again. I find this site very helpful on many things to do with the omega. I read with confindence and yes oe stuff does last longer i apologise.
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I have made myself look like an arse...... Thanks for the replies and did not mean to start an arguement through this. I am mega3.0v6. I have not bought anything yet thanks again. I find this site very helpful on many things to do with the omega. I read with confindence and yes oe stuff does last longer i apologise.
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Forum banter mate :y :y
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I have made myself look like an arse...... Thanks for the replies and did not mean to start an arguement through this. I am mega3.0v6. I have not bought anything yet thanks again. I find this site very helpful on many things to do with the omega. I read with confindence and yes oe stuff does last longer i apologise.
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Forum banter mate :y :y
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I have made myself look like an arse...... Thanks for the replies and did not mean to start an arguement through this. I am mega3.0v6. I have not bought anything yet thanks again. I find this site very helpful on many things to do with the omega. I read with confindence and yes oe stuff does last longer i apologise.
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Welcome back mate! :y
Generally people on here will give you the best advice on all things Omega... just don't ask which oil to use or what tyres to buy otherwise the forum will crash with the millions of replies!!!! ;D
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only use mobil :y
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only use mobil :y
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I can only speak as i find.I bought my cam gasket for a 2.0 from a motor factors which was not vx 4 years ago and have never had any problems with oil leaks since,so in my opinion it's six ofone and half a dozen of the other, you either strike lucky or don't
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Wrong engine Derek. ;)
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4 pots tend to be less fussy, but it's still important :y
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I have made myself look like an arse...... Thanks for the replies and did not mean to start an arguement through this. I am mega3.0v6. I have not bought anything yet thanks again. I find this site very helpful on many things to do with the omega. I read with confindence and yes oe stuff does last longer i apologise.
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Welcome back mate.
No probs - just don't like rudeness
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as you can see not everyone can buy from vx stealers some off us cant affored vx prices we keep our cars going on a shoe string well i have never had trouble with patten parts .each to what you can buy at the time :y
Very true Ralf, but if everyone deleted their account when they were advised of the pitfalls with using certain pattern parts the Oof membership would deplete quite rapidly.
If people do not wish to accept advice from members who have experienced problems with pattern parts, don`t post seemples :y
i agree rob but some patten parts are not bad :y
We are talking cam cover gaskets here, not exhausts or cambelts.
If you are DIY'ing your gaskets, the amount of effort & time spent changing them (especially on a V6) its a job you only want to do once!
I gave clear advice, don't see why he got the hump :-\ I get the feeling the OP had already purchased those gaskets!
Suggest he got the hump because of the manner of your reply.
You didn't in fact answer his question which was "will these ones be ok or they the wrong ones." - just said "Do not buy pattern". If you had looked at the link the seller posted, although the seller does't actually state they are genuine VX, he does strongly infer so and quotes Vx part numbers. Surely it would have been more helpful to answer the guys question and advise these were not genune Vx but pattern and therefore not to use (as RobG tried to do).
Because his question went effectively unanswered the guy repeated his question which Albs answered, and you then responded as if the guy was a moron. He was genuinely asking for help because he hadn't the experience of other members. Not the way to treat a "Newbie" IMO, but definitely the way to lose members >:(
..............agree.
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Wrong engine Derek. ;)
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I know it's the wrong engine,but i only posted to state the fact that i struck lucky with pattern rather than vx parts
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4 pots tend to be less fussy, but it's still important :y
oh so i can buy cheapo nasty cam gasget set lol
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Wrong engine Derek. ;)
I know it's the wrong engine,but i only posted to state the fact that i struck lucky with pattern rather than vx parts
Not relevant to the op though. Why would he care about 4pot gaskets? He is asking about v6 drive by wire engine.
If he'd asked about 4 pot he would get 4 pot replies.
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I have made myself look like an arse...... Thanks for the replies and did not mean to start an arguement through this. I am mega3.0v6. I have not bought anything yet thanks again. I find this site very helpful on many things to do with the omega. I read with confindence and yes oe stuff does last longer i apologise.
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Welcome back mate! :y
Generally people on here will give you the best advice on all things Omega... just don't ask which oil to use or what tyres to buy otherwise the forum will crash with the millions of replies!!!! ;D
funny but i agree ;D ;D
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Wrong engine Derek. ;)
I know it's the wrong engine,but i only posted to state the fact that i struck lucky with pattern rather than vx parts
Not relevant to the op though. Why would he care about 4pot gaskets? He is asking about v6 drive by wire engine.
If he'd asked about 4 pot he would get 4 pot replies.
now your just nitpicking cris it is still a vx car so no different i think ;D ;D
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it was said by someone... the jobs a pain and you only wanna do it once so vx :y
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but as derek said he done it only once and no leak ;D ;D
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Ralph. Have you just signed up on here to be obtuse? We have an overwhelming number of new members asking questions that are as old as the hills. There's guides and a search facility nobody seems to use despite forum guide lines asking members to use those as a first port of call.
Experienced members are thin on the ground to give the correct advice best they can as it is, yet you seem intent on making life awkward for all...?
If you desperate to interfere with other peoples wallets and commuting ability to earn can I suggest one of the other sections. Especially as you say money is thin on the ground yourself.
We can have a popcorn fight elsewhere of you like. ;D
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Ralph. Have you just signed up on here to be obtuse? We have an overwhelming number of new members asking questions that are as old as the hills. There's guides and a search facility nobody seems to use despite forum guide lines asking members to use those as a first port of call.
Experienced members are thin on the ground to give the correct advice best they can as it is, yet you seem intent on making life awkward for all...?
If you desperate to interfere with other peoples wallets and commuting ability to earn can I suggest one of the other sections. Especially as you say money is thin on the ground yourself.
We can have a popcorn fight elsewhere of you like. ;D
so you are saying i cant have my opinion cris and put it on here i think that is wrong :( :( :(
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and all i said not all can buy vx parts :( :( :(
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Ralph. Have you just signed up on here to be obtuse? We have an overwhelming number of new members asking questions that are as old as the hills. There's guides and a search facility nobody seems to use despite forum guide lines asking members to use those as a first port of call.
Experienced members are thin on the ground to give the correct advice best they can as it is, yet you seem intent on making life awkward for all...?
If you desperate to interfere with other peoples wallets and commuting ability to earn can I suggest one of the other sections. Especially as you say money is thin on the ground yourself.
We can have a popcorn fight elsewhere of you like. ;D
so you are saying i cant have my opinion cris ant put it on here i think that is wrong :( :( :(
Ralph, your talking rubbish. You clearly have no idea on helping the guy fix his car. If you have first hand accurate experience, fantastic. But keep the argumentative approach for the chat sections please. And that is MY opinion!
It's awkward enough keeping threads on track without .... Never mind.
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we all ask questions on here to get the best advice we can... and thats what the question asker got.. :y
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Pulling up a chair. :D :D ;D share up rob
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Personally i don't care if it's a vx or ajumbo jet,i don't think i deserved the sarcastic comments i recieved off chris
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Personally i don't care if it's a vx or ajumbo jet,i don't think i deserved the sarcastic comments i recieved off chris
its forum banter as was said before now Chris is quite a decient bloke from what I have heard from people at local meet a couple of weeks ago but he does have a point in the newbie section it does say use the search bar before you put somany of the same question as you see so many times I'm guilty of it sure im not the last ;D
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This is getting out of hand,i only voiced my views and had abuse which i did not deserve so in future i will keep my views to myself
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Personally i don't care if it's a vx or ajumbo jet,i don't think i deserved the sarcastic comments i recieved off chris
This is getting out of hand,i only voiced my views and had abuse which i did not deserve so in future i will keep my views to myself
It may be a vx engine, but that's about all that's common.
...least of all cam cover gaskets. You won't see me posting too much on 4 pots as I don't have one, and never will. Do you have a v engine Del?
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This is getting out of hand,i only voiced my views and had abuse which i did not deserve so in future i will keep my views to myself
FORUM BANTER come on people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't see an issue with what Chris said, just stating it's not relevant to the thread ??? :-\
Some people really need to grow a pair, like stepping on egg shells sometimes trying avoid people getting "upset". How thin is your skin? man up!
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Y A W N........ ::) ::)
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Y A W N........ ::) ::)
That word has caused mega issues in the past ;D
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Y A W N........ ::) ::)
That word has caused mega issues in the past ;D
Indeed ::) ;D .... the word filter did change it the first time i put it up .... something about being terribly tired , which i am :y
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No need for sarcasm Proz. ;D
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On a serious note though is LMF or what ever it was not a VX dealer ? ... if they are why are they selling pattern parts :-\
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No need for sarcasm Proz. ;D
I know ... i couldnt help it :-[
I was a good boy and never got involved in any of the other threads when trouble brewed :y
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On a serious note though is LMF or what ever it was not a VX dealer ? ... if they are why are they selling pattern parts :-\
Coz people try to ripp you off for THE DOH REY ME that's all they want :y
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Nope, nout to do with vauxhall or GM. Afaik anyway. Don't recall a single genuine part on there. Although I haven't looked for a good while. Looks cheaky to me I must say.
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Ralph. Have you just signed up on here to be obtuse? We have an overwhelming number of new members asking questions that are as old as the hills. There's guides and a search facility nobody seems to use despite forum guide lines asking members to use those as a first port of call.
Experienced members are thin on the ground to give the correct advice best they can as it is, yet you seem intent on making life awkward for all...?
If you desperate to interfere with other peoples wallets and commuting ability to earn can I suggest one of the other sections. Especially as you say money is thin on the ground yourself.
We can have a popcorn fight elsewhere of you like. ;D
so you are saying i cant have my opinion cris ant put it on here i think that is wrong :( :( :(
Ralph, your talking rubbish. You clearly have no idea on helping the guy fix his car. If you have first hand accurate experience, fantastic. But keep the argumentative approach for the chat sections please. And that is MY opinion!
It's awkward enough keeping threads on track without .... Never mind.
i am not being argumentative you got your opinion and i got mine end of story >:(
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I know it's not a relevent thread but i only stated to say you don't always have to buy vx for reliability,as for growing a pair, mine are probably older than yours,and being from Wales we have to be thick skinned to put up with some of the banter we get
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Ralph. Have you just signed up on here to be obtuse? We have an overwhelming number of new members asking questions that are as old as the hills. There's guides and a search facility nobody seems to use despite forum guide lines asking members to use those as a first port of call.
Experienced members are thin on the ground to give the correct advice best they can as it is, yet you seem intent on making life awkward for all...?
If you desperate to interfere with other peoples wallets and commuting ability to earn can I suggest one of the other sections. Especially as you say money is thin on the ground yourself.
We can have a popcorn fight elsewhere of you like. ;D
so you are saying i cant have my opinion cris ant put it on here i think that is wrong :( :( :(
Ralph, your talking rubbish. You clearly have no idea on helping the guy fix his car. If you have first hand accurate experience, fantastic. But keep the argumentative approach for the chat sections please. And that is MY opinion!
It's awkward enough keeping threads on track without .... Never mind.
i am not being argumentative you got your opinion and i got mine end of story >:(
Pmsl ;D
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I know it's not a relevent thread but i only stated to say you don't always have to buy vx for reliability,as for growing a pair, mine are probably older than yours,and being from Wales we have to be thick skinned to put up with some of the banter we get
So what Jumbo jet you got then? ;) must be doing well for yourself. :)
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I know it's not a relevent thread but i only stated to say you don't always have to buy vx for reliability,as for growing a pair, mine are probably older than yours,and being from Wales we have to be thick skinned to put up with some of the banter we get
Thought it was to protect you from the sheeps feet Derek :y :y :D :-*
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Im on a very tight budget,i have £660 a month to live on,thanks to csa,so i have to buy pattern parts,i have used pattern,cam gaskets as i just cant afford to pay £75 for vx gaskets,all the op wanted to know if they were the right ones for his mig,if i had more income then yes it would be vx parts all the way,but sadly i and some other members are not in that situation to be able to get them.
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I know it's not a relevent thread but i only stated to say you don't always have to buy vx for reliability,as for growing a pair, mine are probably older than yours,and being from Wales we have to be thick skinned to put up with some of the banter we get
Thought it was to protect you from the sheeps feet Derek :y :y :D :-*
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Im on a very tight budget,i have £660 a month to live on,thanks to csa,so i have to buy pattern parts,i have used pattern,cam gaskets as i just cant afford to pay £75 for vx gaskets,all the op wanted to know if they were the right ones for his mig,if i had more income then yes it would be vx parts all the way,but sadly i and some other members are not in that situation to be able to get them.
hear hear thats all i said ;D ;D
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and round and round we go again lol :y
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I know it's not a relevent thread but i only stated to say you don't always have to buy vx for reliability,as for growing a pair, mine are probably older than yours,and being from Wales we have to be thick skinned to put up with some of the banter we get
So what Jumbo jet you got then? ;) must be doing well for yourself. :)
I WISH :)
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No more now, people are getting bored :-[ ;) ;D
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No more now, people are getting bored :-[ ;) ;D
Just livening up now Derek ;D
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No more now, people are getting bored :-[ ;) ;D
Just livening up now Derek ;D
just like you rob ;D ;D ;D
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I know it's not a relevent thread but i only stated to say you don't always have to buy vx for reliability,as for growing a pair, mine are probably older than yours,and being from Wales we have to be thick skinned to put up with some of the banter we get
Thought it was to protect you from the sheeps feet Derek :y :y :D :-*
That's why we wear wellies ;D ;D ;D :D
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Im on a very tight budget,i have £660 a month to live on,thanks to csa,so i have to buy pattern parts,i have used pattern,cam gaskets as i just cant afford to pay £75 for vx gaskets,all the op wanted to know if they were the right ones for his mig,if i had more income then yes it would be vx parts all the way,but sadly i and some other members are not in that situation to be able to get them.
hear hear thats all i said ;D ;D
it's not really though is it. What your saying is, fit pattern regardless.
GM plugs are the cheapest available. GM oil is the cheapest available. Especially on TC.
Go ahead, buy elsewhere.
While on the other hand, GM ht leads are massively expensive, as are Wishbones. But we have alternatives for those. If people have the sense to ask, they SHOULD get the correct response. Something sadly lacking of late.
If you want to waiste your hard earned, fit pattern cam cover gaskets if you like. But for the v engines history has proved on here, NOBODY makes reliable pattern cam cover gaskets.
Again, if the op had asked about a Desmond he would get replies for a Desmond.
Please note, this thread relates to CAM COVER GASKETS FOR A V ENGINE.
Questions on Jumbo jets, 4 pots, sheep and Welshman ( respectfully ) will get different replies. See? ;)
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Im on a very tight budget,i have £660 a month to live on,thanks to csa,so i have to buy pattern parts,i have used pattern,cam gaskets as i just cant afford to pay £75 for vx gaskets,all the op wanted to know if they were the right ones for his mig,if i had more income then yes it would be vx parts all the way,but sadly i and some other members are not in that situation to be able to get them.
hear hear thats all i said ;D ;D
it's not really though is it. What your saying is, fit pattern regardless.
GM plugs are the cheapest available. GM oil is the cheapest available. Especially on TC.
Go ahead, buy elsewhere.
While on the other hand, GM ht leads are massively expensive, as are Wishbones. But we have alternatives for those. If people have the sense to ask, they SHOULD get the correct response. Something sadly lacking of late.
If you want to waiste your hard earned, fit pattern cam cover gaskets if you like. But for the v engines history has proved on here, NOBODY makes reliable pattern cam cover gaskets.
Again, if the op had asked about a Desmond he would get replies for a Desmond.
Please note, this thread relates to CAM COVER GASKETS FOR A V ENGINE.
Questions on Jumbo jets, 4 pots, sheep and Welshman ( respectfully ) will get different replies. See? ;)
Ok,wrong thread for this kind of banter,i get your point,sorry :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
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Oh Derek, don't give up now. It was just getting interesting. ;)
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and all i said not all can buy vx parts :( :( :(
Agree! and try being down this part of the planet, i had to make my (cover) gaskets by hand as you just cant buy them here from the dealer, well you can they will import them inof course but to give you an idea a new DIS pack here is around 400pound....
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What some have said here time and again, is that yes the gaskets are more for genuine, but they last a lot longer.
Pattern ones have been known to last just weeks, they will pish out out into plugs, cook them and left unchecked will kill HT leads as well.
So if you are doing it yourself, save up that little bit more for genuine gaskets. Otherwise a few weeks down the line you will be changing it all again, said it time and time again, pattern gaskets are false economy. You pay less now, but over the course of time, it will cost you more.
Seen time and again people ignore this, buy pattern then post up later asking why they are leaking ::)
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and all i said not all can buy vx parts :( :( :(
Agree! and try being down this part of the planet, i had to make my (cover) gaskets by hand as you just cant buy them here from the dealer, well you can they will import them inof course but to give you an idea a new DIS pack here is around 400pound....
you are somewhere warm mate ;D ;D
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and all i said not all can buy vx parts :( :( :(
Agree! and try being down this part of the planet, i had to make my (cover) gaskets by hand as you just cant buy them here from the dealer, well you can they will import them inof course but to give you an idea a new DIS pack here is around 400pound....
Maybe so, and you have my sympathys, but £400.... I reckon pattern cc gaskets could potentially cost an owner that much, given thier failure rate v genuine, when adding in labour and coil pack or ht lead damage.
Pm andyc for a price maybe...? You'll find him in recomended suppliers.
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ahhhhhhhhh so oil in the hole screws up dispack too does it..didnt no that
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Oh Derek, don't give up now. It was just getting interesting. ;)
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Sorry Chris,i thought you was getting bored so i went over to general chat,i didn't know Welsh habits were so interesting :D ;D ;D ;D
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Well this has really warmed up since I last posted on this topic!! ::) ::)
Whilst I can afford to buy some of the expensive genuine Vx parts recommended on OOF, I also accept that a number of members struggle financially to keep their Omegas on the roads. Whilst OOF is good at identifying those cheaper pattern parts that work ok on Omegas (water pumps, track rod ends etc), there are occasions where we should accept that some members may find cheaper alternatives to the recommended genuine Vx components. We should not necessarily mock this but surely encourage it as ultimately a cheap working alternative may be identified that saves us all money!
Interestingly the cam cover gaskets the OP originally posted about that were supplied by lmfvauxhall, were made by ELRING, a well respected German manufacturer of gaskets and seals, and also an OEM supplier to a number of car manufacturers. But due to the "I did click the link, I did not bother to read the auction" attitute that fact probably wouldn't register!!
I seem to remember that a well respected mobile Omega mechanic on here - JamesV6CDX - posted positively about the use of certain non-Vx supplied cam cover gaskets (Elring?). Perhaps James would be good enough to add his comments.
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Yes , James, if you will... :)
My recollection is, these where mentioned mistakenly by somebody who thought they where the genuine article. They are not.
"Greiner" is marked on the oe items.
Personally, given coil pacs are £70 to £120 a side if it all goes tits up, I really don't think it's worth the risk.
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Yes , James, if you will... :)
My recollection is, these where mentioned mistakenly by somebody who thought they where the genuine article. They are not.
"Greiner" is marked on the oe items.
Personally, given coil pacs are £70 to £120 a side if it all goes tits up, I really don't think it's worth the risk.
Chris - my recollection is the same as your re "Greiner" on oems - but my recollection re James was that he had found a non-oem V6 cam cover gasket that seemed to perform as oems (and was cheaper) - may have been Elring one, not 100% sure.
Personally I support the recommendation re the use of OEM V6 cam cover gaskets and o-rings (use 'em myself), just get miffed at the way some of the senior (or "junior" in this case) members try to give the impression they are better than other members and talk down to them (look for the post where spelling mistakes of a dyslexic member are criticised http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=102207.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=102207.0) - Juvenile at best!)
Will wait for James to comment re the gaskets - may be a cash saver
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I think it was me who found the Elring ones. I've not had a chance to fit them (been busy with the old VW) but I will in the next week or so.
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Yes , James, if you will... :)
My recollection is, these where mentioned mistakenly by somebody who thought they where the genuine article. They are not.
"Greiner" is marked on the oe items.
Personally, given coil pacs are £70 to £120 a side if it all goes tits up, I really don't think it's worth the risk.
Chris - my recollection is the same as your re "Greiner" on oems - but my recollection re James was that he had found a non-oem V6 cam cover gasket that seemed to perform as oems (and was cheaper) - may have been Elring one, not 100% sure.
Personally I support the recommendation re the use of OEM V6 cam cover gaskets and o-rings (use 'em myself), just get miffed at the way some of the senior (or "junior" in this case) members try to give the impression they are better than other members and talk down to them (look for the post where spelling mistakes of a dyslexic member are criticised http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=102207.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=102207.0) - Juvenile at best!)
Will wait for James to comment re the gaskets - may be a cash saver
Dbug, if I coud be bothered to look, I'm fairly sure I coud find similar abruptness from yourself. Learning difficulties or not, cash flow difficulties or not, the advice stands. As you've just said. How long ago was James's post? More than 90,000miles ago? Then how can he know they will outlast oe? ( assuming we accept oe last 90k, just an example)
Ralph has, IMO, taken some delight in bating members here, and shouldn't be too suprised if people loose patience... IMO.
But then, that's forum life I guess. As suggested, deal with it. It's a forum, with opinions. Some of those opinions are just plane wrong.
Bit like every single possible knock from front suspension can only ever be drop links, and that copper slip causes brake squeal. ;) ;D
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Yes , James, if you will... :)
My recollection is, these where mentioned mistakenly by somebody who thought they where the genuine article. They are not.
"Greiner" is marked on the oe items.
Personally, given coil pacs are £70 to £120 a side if it all goes tits up, I really don't think it's worth the risk.
Chris - my recollection is the same as your re "Greiner" on oems - but my recollection re James was that he had found a non-oem V6 cam cover gasket that seemed to perform as oems (and was cheaper) - may have been Elring one, not 100% sure.
Personally I support the recommendation re the use of OEM V6 cam cover gaskets and o-rings (use 'em myself), just get miffed at the way some of the senior (or "junior" in this case) members try to give the impression they are better than other members and talk down to them (look for the post where spelling mistakes of a dyslexic member are criticised http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=102207.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=102207.0) - Juvenile at best!)
Will wait for James to comment re the gaskets - may be a cash saver
Yep remember reading that one felt sorry for bloke be like someone taking the pi33 out of me fir having one and half arms because in not the same as everyone else but you can see my disability and people won't because you can see it but dislyxer because you cannot see it its some how different AND ITS WRONG sorry but that's MHO >:( :( >:(
Yeah come on James where are you with the answer :y
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I think it was me who found the Elring ones. I've not had a chance to fit them (been busy with the old VW) but I will in the next week or so.
Thought she would be done by now weathers great............................. For camping :y
Plus I think we need the answer to elring gaskets
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I think it was me who found the Elring ones. I've not had a chance to fit them (been busy with the old VW) but I will in the next week or so.
No doubt you'll report back on their performance in 90K miles time :) :) ;)
Suggest you get motoring and keep motoring mate till you drop to speed up the process!! ;) ;)
Personally I'd be happy if pattern at half the price lasted half the mileage.
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They don't though, that's the point ;D
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They don't though, that's the point ;D
Thats why I said "I'd be happy if "
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Yep learnt my lesson....omega 2.2,,,,after market cam cover fitted leaked within 12 months...replaced with genuine 2 years ago still ok....cam sensor fitted went faulty after 3 months...fitted genuine one 18months ago still ok....coil pack fitted in 2008 lasted 12 months..replaced with genuine still ok....always use g.m.oil and filters....ok i have not loads of cash but weekly put some in my car fund thats how i can afford genuine the best and is not false economy as is some after market crap that does not last....so i am in total agreement with the wise ones on here about replacement parts and if i ask a question,i may not like the answers but i do heed the advice every time....because they know far more than i do..its called experience and you cant buy that. :y
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Far too ambiguous Mr Bug.
Take exhausts, we're lucky that eternal make a cat back system worthy of the name, and for a reasonable price. If they didn't whats the alternative?
GM used to make the oe system available on tc for £300 quid odd. No brainer, 7 years life, quiet, reliable, chromed slash cut tail pipes, clam shell design, double skinned. Excellent quality for the 3.0/3.2 etc.
They didn't tell anyone, but they reduced the quality of the cat back system to an appalling level. All for the same price.
Do we recommend vx for exhausts now? No. We recommend eternal. Because they likely last longer, for almost a third of the price.
It's not a question of using pattern parts out right, or only ever using vx parts because they must be best, right? Wrong.
We recommend stuff here from experience. The life of the part v the cost of the part.
NOT the cheapest old shite that last two minutes and causes more damage in the brief time it's on the car than a bunch of vx "mechanics" at £90 an hour.
And if iirc, it was James who recommended Eternal, and good on him. But he only went looking knowing the GM ones where crap. And iirc it was one of my post that contributed to that.
That's how it works. Experience. Hard earned. We air a problem, and usually we collectively find a solution.
What we don't do, is post flippant rubbish to "help" others based on a whim.
Re cc seals, if we find a cheaper alternative i'd strongly suggest posting that they are unproven, or reliability unknown, or even better, i've tried these myself and they are good/bad/indifferent over the life of the product, or similar. Because there would be a risk to fitting that part, therefor the owner will need to keep a close eye on oil leaking into the plug wells and causing miss fires.
Certainly if I posted some of the crap advise seen here I would expect a bollocking later when it all goes wrong from the owner. Be careful please... IMO. :)
I'd like to think the above was stating the obvious tbh, but there we are. :-\
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Far too ambiguous Mr Bug.
Take exhausts, we're lucky that eternal make a cat back system worthy of the name, and for a reasonable price. If they didn't whats the alternative?
GM used to make the oe system available on tc for £300 quid odd. No brainer, 7 years life, quiet, reliable, chromed slash cut tail pipes, clam shell design, double skinned. Excellent quality for the 3.0/3.2 etc.
They didn't tell anyone, but they reduced the quality of the cat back system to an appalling level. All for the same price.
Do we recommend vx for exhausts now? No. We recommend eternal. Because they likely last longer, for almost a third of the price.
It's not a question of using pattern parts out right, or only ever using vx parts because they must be best, right? Wrong.
We recommend stuff here from experience. The life of the part v the cost of the part.
NOT the cheapest old shite that last two minutes and causes more damage in the brief time it's on the car than a bunch of vx "mechanics" at £90 an hour.
And if iirc, it was James who recommended Eternal, and good on him. But he only went looking knowing the GM ones where crap. And iirc it was one of my post that contributed to that.
That's how it works. Experience. Hard earned. We air a problem, and usually we collectively find a solution.
What we don't do, is post flippant rubbish to "help" others based on a whim.
Re cc seals, if we find a cheaper alternative i'd strongly suggest posting that they are unproven, or reliability unknown, or even better, i've tried these myself and they are good/bad/indifferent over the life of the product, or similar. Because there would be a risk to fitting that part, therefor the owner will need to keep a close eye on oil leaking into the plug wells and causing miss fires.
Certainly if I posted some of the crap advise seen here I would expect a bollocking later when it all goes wrong from the owner. Be careful please... IMO. :)
I'd like to think the above was stating the obvious tbh, but there we are. :-\
Couldn't agree more Chris - I wasn't having a go re the advice given or the experience on here - I too am very experienced on working on cars from full race Cooper "S" 1293cc, MGBs with overbored 4 pots and tuned V8s, Jags, TRs, E-types incl a 400bhp "sprint", Ferraris, and so on. . . - I was really commenting on attitudes to the less experienced and saying that we should not dismiss non genuine Vx parts out of hand, rather use cheaper proven parts.
Agree re Vx V6 cam cover seals, but found & used Eternal good quality exhausts (from OOF), QH water pumps OK, pattern drop links, pattern track rod ends and other pattern ok. Stick to oem cam belt kits (Contiech), and many other Vx parts (oil, plugs, filters etc). Found refs to TC on here - saved me ££££s - recommend to all OOFers to save money on genuine Vx parts.
Hope that clarifies Chris ;)
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Sorry Dbug, only the top line was for you specifically. The rest was for .... Newer members. Apologies.
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My recollection, for what it's worth, is that the Elring "they make gaskets for GM" cam cover gaskets have been tried, and failed, and were marked as just as rubbish as any other aftermarket gasket years ago.
Yes, Elring do make gaskets for GM, just not cam cover gaskets. I wonder why GM sourced them elsewhere, then? ::)
Cam cover gaskets are a part where there is conclusive evidence on this forum, and already was 5 years ago when I joined, that pattern parts don't last.
I don't see how one can argue against that much experience, TBH. Yes, you might come along with another opinion. One or two may be lucky, or may not have noticed that their pattern gaskets have already failed, but the fact is that, in the case of this part, not buying genuine is a waste of money. Dozens and dozens of forum members have gone down that route and ended up doing the job twice in the past.(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26795734/Smilies/bangshead.gif)
Not wasting money is more important if you are short of it, of course.
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Especially in cam cover gaskets, how much you wold be saving using pattern gaskets? 10 EUR? 20 EUR? Not more in any case. So, what's the point in risking anything? I've learnt my lesson in rear wheel bearings sitting three nights in a row in garage wondering that what on earth is wrong until I encouraged my self to get a decent branded bearing. I would have never ever thought that it mught be an issue as I have ever had any problems with any bearing in any car before (and have had quite a few).
As said above, we do learn and most of us, like me, the hard way and we do want to share our experiences :y
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As a little input to this, I, at an early stage tried numerour gasket suppliers which I will summarise as follows:
1) Basic no name cheapo ebay - Lasted around 1-2 weeks before failing, they were more of a plastic feel and quite firm
2) FAi Ones, basicly the same as the cheapo ones!
3) Elrings (from Autovaux), these lasted maybe 3-4 months but soon went quite hard.
4) Vx ones, fitted a set to my V6 around 5 years ago and were still fine when it was sold.
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Been reading all this..... so are we saying pattern parts are ok?
hahahahahahahaha sorry couldn't resist.
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Been reading all this..... so are we saying pattern parts are ok?
hahahahahahahaha sorry couldn't resist.
You trying to cause WW3 LOL :D ;D :y :y
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I think that Bear needs to be put down ;D
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I think that Bear needs to be put down ;D
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;D :D ;D :y
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The longest cam cover gasket post in the world 8)
More popcorn(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/themarbleintheoatmeal/smilies/watchdrama8jm.gif)
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Anyway, this mobil oil...?
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i think its a great read..so many diff opinions..
makes you too scared to ask about pat parts lol
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In this case - Omega V6 Cam Cover gaskets, the only sane advice, with the experiences we have gathered, is Genuine GM parts. Sadly, as they certainly are not cheap.
If you have to pay someone to fit them - about 2hrs labour - then even attempting non GM is likely to prove an expensive mistake. If you DIY, and are happy to check the plug wells every couple of days, all you lose is your time, and the cost of the gaskets and O rings... ...that's when you can experiment.
Elring V6 Cam Cover gaskets, as sold by the likes of those lying scumbags at Autovaux as Genuine (based on Elring being a GM supplier, but not for that part), are known (based on numberous reports here) to fail very prematurely.
I'm all for reducing my motoring costs. I buy many pattern parts if they are cheaper than I can get genuine parts for, but there are some things I will only buy genuine. GM V6 Camcover gaskets being one of them.
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Anyway, this mobil oil...?
Yer thinking the same myself Chris :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ . . .. could be a long night ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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just curious RobG . . . is that Genuine or patten popcorn in that there box ? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I may post again later - especially about Mobil oil ;D ;D ;D ;D ::)
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Ahhh there's nothing wrong with the pattern parts it's all down to you lot being ham fisted with the spanners
(Sit's back and awaits a flaming)
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Ahhh there's nothing wrong with the pattern parts it's all down to you lot being ham fisted with the spanners
(Sit's back and awaits a flaming)
;) ;) ;) ;)
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And another one dave you asked for it ;D
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And another one dave you asked for it ;D
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just like women no fists ;D ;D ;D
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I think that Bear needs to be put down ;D
(http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/2x1934128/boy_about_to_shoot_a_bear_is668-066.jpg)
i just spat my earl grey out hahahahahahaha ;)
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In this case - Omega V6 Cam Cover gaskets, the only sane advice, with the experiences we have gathered, is Genuine GM parts. Sadly, as they certainly are not cheap.
If you have to pay someone to fit them - about 2hrs labour - then even attempting non GM is likely to prove an expensive mistake. If you DIY, and are happy to check the plug wells every couple of days, all you lose is your time, and the cost of the gaskets and O rings... ...that's when you can experiment.
Elring V6 Cam Cover gaskets, as sold by the likes of those lying scumbags at Autovaux as Genuine (based on Elring being a GM supplier, but not for that part), are known (based on numberous reports here) to fail very prematurely.
I'm all for reducing my motoring costs. I buy many pattern parts if they are cheaper than I can get genuine parts for, but there are some things I will only buy genuine. GM V6 Camcover gaskets being one of them.
I think that one sentence sums up this thread, and the entire topic of cam covers, perfectly! :y
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got mine from vx started leaking after 2 years so figure tha one out :y :y :y
1) Incompetent Mechanic
2) Breathers not properly cleaned when gaskets changed
3) Mixture of the above
I would have said warped covers eg through over tightening, but if that were the case it would have taken more than 2 years to present itself.
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ok so its not a cam gasket..
its a cheapo pattern nasty thing from a auction site.
do i use it....
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70807181/gasket.JPG
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Looks like a throttle body gasket, should be fine :y
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yep it is ......and thats what i thought :y
some pattern parts r ok..........but some are not
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Here's another option for you. Oe supplier.
..., Yeah, now what ya gonna do? :)
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Here's another option for you. Oe supplier.
..., Yeah, now what ya gonna do? :)
Doesn't matter. It's either a genuine GM sourced part or not. ;)
The "ah! but they're an OE supplier" BS is just an excuse for selling pattern parts. They might well have made parts, to a tight specification, for GM.
They also make a pattern part to sell much cheaper. To the same specification, you reckon? ::)
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What about Megamos or Valeo cam cover gaskets, there an OE supplier......
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What about Megamos or Valeo cam cover gaskets, there an OE supplier......
Or Hella or Dunlop or Boge, all OE suppliers to GM when Omegas were made :y :-X
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Lemforder? How many times have I read on here they are as good as vx?
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Wheel barings? We used to be happy with conti tech/direct. (not an oe supplier apparently)
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Just got a quote from Vauxhall today, £42 per side for genuine gaskets, ouch :'(
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Just got a quote from Vauxhall today, £42 per side for genuine gaskets, ouch :'(
Cheaper than two sets of pattern gaskets ............... ::) ::) ;)
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Just got a quote from Vauxhall today, £42 per side for genuine gaskets, ouch :'(
Have a word with Andy C here. I'm sure he'll be able to do a better price than that.
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Nice to see this longggggg post resurrected again ;D ;D :y
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Just a newbie comment so take as read please ;)
I have to agree strongly with Tunnie and Rob and I'll tell you why.
I am on my 4th big Vauxhall now, had a G plate Carlton GSI and an old Senator 3.0 auto - both straight 6's. Later had an MV6 estate. All of these are on boot hill now because I tried to cut corners and in my opinion it really is false economy to go cheap.
I did at least manage to break the MV6 and recover almost all the purchase price on parts sold but still lost out.
I am currently getting my 99 Elite worked on quite extensively and have just has the cam covers done with genuine gaskets. While the garage were doing that I got them to put in genuine leads, plugs and coil pack. I also asked for an oil change, filter, air filter, ATF change and a few other bits including track rods. The total will be around £750. I only paid £500 for the car and could probably break it for three times that but I want one I can drive every day and maybe get to some meets with you guys.
These cars are great to own and better to drive but in my opinion they need more than elastoplasts to keep them that way. A few (or sometimes many) more quids spent at the time is well worth it if you want to keep enjoying the car.
I'm not saying throw money at the car but balance out economy with good sense - what do you want it for? Reliability and longevity will cost more but it has got to be better than seeing them towed away because of corners being cut hasn't it?
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Just a newbie comment so take as read please ;)
I have to agree strongly with Tunnie and Rob and I'll tell you why.
I am on my 4th big Vauxhall now, had a G plate Carlton GSI and an old Senator 3.0 auto - both straight 6's. Later had an MV6 estate. All of these are on boot hill now because I tried to cut corners and in my opinion it really is false economy to go cheap.
I did at least manage to break the MV6 and recover almost all the purchase price on parts sold but still lost out.
I am currently getting my 99 Elite worked on quite extensively and have just has the cam covers done with genuine gaskets. While the garage were doing that I got them to put in genuine leads, plugs and coil pack. I also asked for an oil change, filter, air filter, ATF change and a few other bits including track rods. The total will be around £750. I only paid £500 for the car and could probably break it for three times that but I want one I can drive every day and maybe get to some meets with you guys.
These cars are great to own and better to drive but in my opinion they need more than elastoplasts to keep them that way. A few (or sometimes many) more quids spent at the time is well worth it if you want to keep enjoying the car.
I'm not saying throw money at the car but balance out economy with good sense - what do you want it for? Reliability and longevity will cost more but it has got to be better than seeing them towed away because of corners being cut hasn't it?
You're right there ;)