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Title: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: fakeq on 01 June 2012, 04:49:21
Yoho
So I took the time to to change the gasket yesterday but I notised something with the old O-rings. Some of them was missshaped, there has been some oil damp comming from screw holes but the main problem was some oil in the plugg well and jamed breathers.
As for O-rings that was missshaped they have broken some of the thin plastic sealing around but not the "T" tha hold the rings on place, so the new one goes firmly in place.
Is this bad and do I need a new cover?
Cant put it back on yet due lack of torque wrench with 8 Nm, mine goes from 20- :(
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: Shallow Al on 01 June 2012, 14:28:04
Do you have new "O" rings, and are they, and the new gasket, proper Vauxhall items?
Using official Vauxhall valve cover gaskets and "O" rings is essential, pattern parts do not last.
Also the torque wrench is very important to ensure you do not over tighten the fixings and distort the cover.
But sounds like someone beat you to it on that score.
There is a good guide on here, look in the maintenance section.
You may get lucky and the damaged cover may still seal.
When I have done mine in the past, when it shows signs of leaking again, I have loosened the fixings and re-tightened them to the correct torque. It worked for me.
I stress, only to the torque you have quoted.
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: Shallow Al on 01 June 2012, 14:30:58
Also essential to clean the breathers, again there is a very good guide on here in the maintenance section.
Worth getting right.
 :y :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 01 June 2012, 18:11:26
Do you have new "O" rings, and are they, and the new gasket, proper Vauxhall items?
Using official Vauxhall valve cover gaskets and "O" rings is essential, pattern parts do not last.
Also the torque wrench is very important to ensure you do not over tighten the fixings and distort the cover.
But sounds like someone beat you to it on that score.
There is a good guide on here, look in the maintenance section.
You may get lucky and the damaged cover may still seal.
When I have done mine in the past, when it shows signs of leaking again, I have loosened the fixings and re-tightened them to the correct torque. It worked for me.
I stress, only to the torque you have quoted.
not all patten parts are crap mate :y :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: tunnie on 01 June 2012, 19:00:51
With cam cover gaskets use geniune, they will last longer.

Using pattern is a lottery & without a doubt cost you more in the long run.
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 02 June 2012, 00:48:10
not always tunnie .what if you cant pay for vx parts because they are to much to pay for not every one can pay vx prices which are a rip off :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: Andy B on 02 June 2012, 01:03:05
not always tunnie .what if you cant pay for vx parts because they are to much to pay for not every one can pay vx prices which are a rip off :y

Dearer in the short term, but as Tunnie says, more than likely to be cheaper in the long run cos you'll only do it once ....... cheaper still if you're paying someone else labour.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 02 June 2012, 13:11:49
not always tunnie .what if you cant pay for vx parts because they are to much to pay for not every one can pay vx prices which are a rip off :y

Dearer in the short term, but as Tunnie says, more than likely to be cheaper in the long run cos you'll only do it once ....... cheaper still if you're paying someone else labour.  ;) ;)
well how do you work this out then my mate done his over 3 years ago with patten parts and they do not leak at all and thats without vx parts  8) 8)
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: Andy B on 02 June 2012, 13:18:54
not always tunnie .what if you cant pay for vx parts because they are to much to pay for not every one can pay vx prices which are a rip off :y

Dearer in the short term, but as Tunnie says, more than likely to be cheaper in the long run cos you'll only do it once ....... cheaper still if you're paying someone else labour.  ;) ;)
well how do you work this out then my mate done his over 3 years ago with patten parts and they do not leak at all and thats without vx parts  8) 8)

What ever  ::) ::) ............... well documented here that pattern gaskets aren't as good as OE  ;)  and it seems that your mate wasn't paying labour rates by doing the job himself
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: tunnie on 02 June 2012, 13:19:15
not always tunnie .what if you cant pay for vx parts because they are to much to pay for not every one can pay vx prices which are a rip off :y

Dearer in the short term, but as Tunnie says, more than likely to be cheaper in the long run cos you'll only do it once ....... cheaper still if you're paying someone else labour.  ;) ;)
well how do you work this out then my mate done his over 3 years ago with patten parts and they do not leak at all and thats without vx parts  8) 8)

He was clearly lucky, but 9/10 patterns with fail. We are not doing this by guess work Ralf, countless members here used pattern then reported within weeks/days they fail. They then end up doing them again, which costs more than using genuine parts in the first place.

Thats why we advise genuine, if you cannot afford the little extra for them. Wait until you can.

Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: martin42 on 02 June 2012, 13:21:31
i must be the special 1 then 8 months and no problems  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: tunnie on 02 June 2012, 13:23:41
i must be the special 1 then 8 months and no problems  ;D ;D ;D

Got a long time to go before beat genuine  ;)
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 02 June 2012, 13:24:43
not always tunnie .what if you cant pay for vx parts because they are to much to pay for not every one can pay vx prices which are a rip off :y

Dearer in the short term, but as Tunnie says, more than likely to be cheaper in the long run cos you'll only do it once ....... cheaper still if you're paying someone else labour.  ;) ;)
well how do you work this out then my mate done his over 3 years ago with patten parts and they do not leak at all and thats without vx parts  8) 8)

He was clearly lucky, but 9/10 patterns with fail. We are not doing this by guess work Ralf, countless members here used pattern then reported within weeks/days they fail. They then end up doing them again, which costs more than using genuine parts in the first place.

Thats why we advise genuine, if you cannot afford the little extra for them. Wait until you can.
i got many mates who got omegas they wont pay vx prices one even asked vx were they got their parts from they didnt reply makes you think dont it why they are not replying to it :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 02 June 2012, 13:25:54
i must be the special 1 then 8 months and no problems  ;D ;D ;D
dont worry it will last martin :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: martin42 on 02 June 2012, 13:26:51
im not worried at all,i fiitted it so i know its done right 1st time  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 02 June 2012, 13:27:44
im not worried at all,i fiitted it so i know its done right 1st time  ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: tunnie on 02 June 2012, 13:28:19
Its not the way the are fitted, its the quality of the gasket.
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: martin42 on 02 June 2012, 13:29:00
i must have done something right tho as they dont leak,  ;D ;D
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 02 June 2012, 13:31:31
Its not the way the are fitted, its the quality of the gasket.
well i have had both no difference to me just vx packeging and price of cause  :y :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: martin42 on 02 June 2012, 13:33:09
its the price that makes them better then ;D and also the packaging helps too  :D
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: tunnie on 02 June 2012, 13:35:17
Oh for fek sake  >:(

/give up

Guess years of this forums experience counts for nothing  ::)
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: martin42 on 02 June 2012, 13:36:04
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: Abiton on 02 June 2012, 13:43:37
If you want to know who makes the Vx genuine gaskets, buy one and look at it.  :y

One I had a while ago had a manufacturers name molded into the rubber, near one/both of the half-moon bits IIRC. Was made by some German company beginning with G? or B? that I'd never heard of.  Looking at their website gave the impression that there was not the slightest chance that they'd deal direct with the public.
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: tunnie on 02 June 2012, 13:48:52
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94244.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94244.0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168362392/0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168362392/0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238354571 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238354571)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1190472446/0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1190472446/0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298911681/20 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298911681/20)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268492740 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268492740)

Just a few examples from a quick search, all failing within weeks to 2 years, laugh it off all you want, its your money you are burning  ???
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 02 June 2012, 16:06:07
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94244.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94244.0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168362392/0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168362392/0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238354571 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238354571)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1190472446/0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1190472446/0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298911681/20 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298911681/20)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268492740 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268492740)

Just a few examples from a quick search, all failing within weeks to 2 years, laugh it off all you want, its your money you are burning  ???
all i am saying some omega owners have had good patten parts and they work for them as i know the guy who works for vx some times he tells me to get patten parts and he never been wrong yet :y :y and by the way if i want to burn my money its up to me never been wrong yet for using patten parts
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: Shallow Al on 04 June 2012, 15:10:15
Is it safe to come out now?  :o
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: martin42 on 04 June 2012, 15:12:31
no not yet  ;D
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: Webby the Bear on 04 June 2012, 15:13:14
Is it safe to come out now?  :o

Sure mate... no gay bashers on this site  :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 04 June 2012, 15:22:18
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94244.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94244.0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168362392/0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168362392/0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238354571 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238354571)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1190472446/0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1190472446/0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298911681/20 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298911681/20)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268492740 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268492740)

Just a few examples from a quick search, all failing within weeks to 2 years, laugh it off all you want, its your money you are burning  ???
all i am saying some omega owners have had good patten parts and they work for them as i know the guy who works for vx some times he tells me to get patten parts and he never been wrong yet :y :y and by the way if i want to burn my money its up to me never been wrong yet for using patten parts

Is this the same guy you know who works for VX, who fitted new camcover gaskets to your V6, only for them to fail shortly afterwards, and who couldn't find the coolant leak from the split pipe on the bridge, and who crossed two plug leads, caused a misfire, and then said "it's donald ducked mate" and caused you to essentially scrap your old car?  ::) ;)

I have to go with the consensus. In my earlier days of V6 tinkering (I've done many many a top end rebuild on these) I trialled a few pattern gaskets. Only one actually lasted. So I have to concur that, whilst you may sometimes get lucky, genuine is really the only way to go.

Afterall, they're only £25 a bank :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: SMD on 04 June 2012, 15:31:39

Is this the same guy you know who works for VX, who fitted new camcover gaskets to your V6, only for them to fail shortly afterwards, and who couldn't find the coolant leak from the split pipe on the bridge, and who crossed two plug leads, caused a misfire, and then said "it's donald ducked mate" and caused you to essentially scrap your old car?  ::) ;)

To add to this, didnt your problems start (rough running, sounding like a tractor) after having cam cover gaskets done?
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: omega3000 on 04 June 2012, 15:32:27
Is it safe to come out now?  :o


No not yet (http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy95/torque402/gif/64.gif)


 ;D
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 04 June 2012, 15:35:28

Is this the same guy you know who works for VX, who fitted new camcover gaskets to your V6, only for them to fail shortly afterwards, and who couldn't find the coolant leak from the split pipe on the bridge, and who crossed two plug leads, caused a misfire, and then said "it's donald ducked mate" and caused you to essentially scrap your old car?  ::) ;)

To add to this, didnt your problems start (rough running, sounding like a tractor) after having cam cover gaskets done?

I believe this is because he swapped two plug leads over, causing an awful misfire :)
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: omega3000 on 04 June 2012, 15:40:21
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94244.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94244.0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168362392/0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168362392/0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238354571 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238354571)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1190472446/0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1190472446/0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298911681/20 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298911681/20)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268492740 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268492740)

Just a few examples from a quick search, all failing within weeks to 2 years, laugh it off all you want, its your money you are burning  ???
all i am saying some omega owners have had good patten parts and they work for them as i know the guy who works for vx some times he tells me to get patten parts and he never been wrong yet :y :y and by the way if i want to burn my money its up to me never been wrong yet for using patten parts

Is this the same guy you know who works for VX, who fitted new camcover gaskets to your V6, only for them to fail shortly afterwards, and who couldn't find the coolant leak from the split pipe on the bridge, and who crossed two plug leads, caused a misfire, and then said "it's donald ducked mate" and caused you to essentially scrap your old car?  ::) ;)

I have to go with the consensus. In my earlier days of V6 tinkering (I've done many many a top end rebuild on these) I trialled a few pattern gaskets. Only one actually lasted. So I have to concur that, whilst you may sometimes get lucky, genuine is really the only way to go.

Afterall, they're only £25 a bank :y

So £50 for a full kit then james and everything included  :-\ guessing that would be on TC only or from andy .
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: tunnie on 04 June 2012, 15:42:11
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94244.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94244.0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168362392/0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168362392/0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238354571 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238354571)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1190472446/0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1190472446/0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298911681/20 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298911681/20)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268492740 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268492740)

Just a few examples from a quick search, all failing within weeks to 2 years, laugh it off all you want, its your money you are burning  ???
all i am saying some omega owners have had good patten parts and they work for them as i know the guy who works for vx some times he tells me to get patten parts and he never been wrong yet :y :y and by the way if i want to burn my money its up to me never been wrong yet for using patten parts

Is this the same guy you know who works for VX, who fitted new camcover gaskets to your V6, only for them to fail shortly afterwards, and who couldn't find the coolant leak from the split pipe on the bridge, and who crossed two plug leads, caused a misfire, and then said "it's donald ducked mate" and caused you to essentially scrap your old car?  ::) ;)

I have to go with the consensus. In my earlier days of V6 tinkering (I've done many many a top end rebuild on these) I trialled a few pattern gaskets. Only one actually lasted. So I have to concur that, whilst you may sometimes get lucky, genuine is really the only way to go.

Afterall, they're only £25 a bank :y

So £50 for a full kit then james and everything included  :-\ guessing that would be on TC only or from andy .

+ Vat, looking at around £75 all in for everything from AndyC. Given 4 pot ones are around £40 all in, it really makes pattern a pointless choice.
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: omega3000 on 04 June 2012, 15:47:20
Arh yes sorry op is for a 4 pot  :-[ , v6 full set a wee bit more ...
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: SMD on 04 June 2012, 15:50:20
Might be a smidge over £50 once you include o rings etc, unless James already included it.

Mine were replaced by James last month and it looked like they were the original gaskets when the car left the showroom. The gaskets werent leaking either, just a bit brittle. A couple of cam bolt O rings had a slight weep though. Lasted 11 years and with a full VX service history, most likely breathers were never cleaned either!   
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 05 June 2012, 16:50:56
i give up i will stick to what i know that patten parts are not that bad just because vx wants to rip some people off they can  but not me :( :(
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 05 June 2012, 16:53:01
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94244.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94244.0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168362392/0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168362392/0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238354571 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238354571)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1190472446/0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1190472446/0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298911681/20 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298911681/20)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268492740 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268492740)

Just a few examples from a quick search, all failing within weeks to 2 years, laugh it off all you want, its your money you are burning  ???
all i am saying some omega owners have had good patten parts and they work for them as i know the guy who works for vx some times he tells me to get patten parts and he never been wrong yet :y :y and by the way if i want to burn my money its up to me never been wrong yet for using patten parts

Is this the same guy you know who works for VX, who fitted new camcover gaskets to your V6, only for them to fail shortly afterwards, and who couldn't find the coolant leak from the split pipe on the bridge, and who crossed two plug leads, caused a misfire, and then said "it's donald ducked mate" and caused you to essentially scrap your old car?  ::) ;)

I have to go with the consensus. In my earlier days of V6 tinkering (I've done many many a top end rebuild on these) I trialled a few pattern gaskets. Only one actually lasted. So I have to concur that, whilst you may sometimes get lucky, genuine is really the only way to go.

Afterall, they're only £25 a bank :y

So £50 for a full kit then james and everything included  :-\ guessing that would be on TC only or from andy .

+ Vat, looking at around £75 all in for everything from AndyC. Given 4 pot ones are around £40 all in, it really makes pattern a pointless choice.
£12 for a 4 pot that so far have lasted 4 years i dont think so :y :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 05 June 2012, 17:05:18
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94244.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94244.0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168362392/0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168362392/0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238354571 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238354571)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1190472446/0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1190472446/0)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298911681/20 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298911681/20)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268492740 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268492740)

Just a few examples from a quick search, all failing within weeks to 2 years, laugh it off all you want, its your money you are burning  ???
all i am saying some omega owners have had good patten parts and they work for them as i know the guy who works for vx some times he tells me to get patten parts and he never been wrong yet :y :y and by the way if i want to burn my money its up to me never been wrong yet for using patten parts

Is this the same guy you know who works for VX, who fitted new camcover gaskets to your V6, only for them to fail shortly afterwards, and who couldn't find the coolant leak from the split pipe on the bridge, and who crossed two plug leads, caused a misfire, and then said "it's donald ducked mate" and caused you to essentially scrap your old car?  ::) ;)

I have to go with the consensus. In my earlier days of V6 tinkering (I've done many many a top end rebuild on these) I trialled a few pattern gaskets. Only one actually lasted. So I have to concur that, whilst you may sometimes get lucky, genuine is really the only way to go.

Afterall, they're only £25 a bank :y
no its not the same guy james i have known him for 25 years the one who mucket the 2.5 up i didn't know him i was just told he was vx trained  :y :y and thats why i have gone back to a 4pot not so much trouble :y :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: Steve B on 05 June 2012, 18:05:11
i give up i will stick to what i know that patten parts are not that bad just because vx wants to rip some people off they can  but not me :( :(

well its the only way i would go..you stick to your pattern junk  ;D ;D ;D

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70807181/rocker.JPG)

went this way cos that was the advice given to me by them who no :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 05 June 2012, 19:18:12
i give up i will stick to what i know that patten parts are not that bad just because vx wants to rip some people off they can  but not me :( :(

well its the only way i would go..you stick to your pattern junk  ;D ;D ;D

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70807181/rocker.JPG)

went this way cos that was the advice given to me by them who no :y
as you can see plastic bags with vx stickers  :y :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: Steve B on 05 June 2012, 19:20:05
i give up i will stick to what i know that patten parts are not that bad just because vx wants to rip some people off they can  but not me :( :(

well its the only way i would go..you stick to your pattern junk  ;D ;D ;D

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70807181/rocker.JPG)

went this way cos that was the advice given to me by them who no :y
as you can see plastic bags with vx stickers  :y :y

thats cos its a vx part  ???
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 05 June 2012, 19:21:32
i give up i will stick to what i know that patten parts are not that bad just because vx wants to rip some people off they can  but not me :( :(

well its the only way i would go..you stick to your pattern junk  ;D ;D ;D

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70807181/rocker.JPG)

went this way cos that was the advice given to me by them who no :y
as you can see plastic bags with vx stickers  :y :y

thats cos its a vx part  ???
its like i said anyone can put thing in plastic and say there vx :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: Steve B on 05 June 2012, 19:28:12
well iwent in main dealer and got it myself

i did notice a member of staff buying cheapo junk off the bay and bagging them up in vx bags so you may be right with your thoughts ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: derek89 on 05 June 2012, 20:10:08
I bought my gasket set from a local motor factors and when i compered the serial number with vx web page the numbers were identical and mine was £28 cheaper and has so far lasted nearly 5 years
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: derek89 on 05 June 2012, 20:29:35
not always tunnie .what if you cant pay for vx parts because they are to much to pay for not every one can pay vx prices which are a rip off :y

Dearer in the short term, but as Tunnie says, more than likely to be cheaper in the long run cos you'll only do it once ....... cheaper still if you're paying someone else labour.  ;) ;)
well how do you work this out then my mate done his over 3 years ago with patten parts and they do not leak at all and thats without vx parts  8) 8)

He was clearly lucky, but 9/10 patterns with fail. We are not doing this by guess work Ralf, countless members here used pattern then reported within weeks/days they fail. They then end up doing them again, which costs more than using genuine parts in the first place.

Thats why we advise genuine, if you cannot afford the little extra for them. Wait until you can.
That's ok if you're in the possition to save,many of us are not that lucky,so don't rub our faces it just because you are working
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: Webby the Bear on 05 June 2012, 20:33:10
Always makes me chuckle when I see a thread started that says something like ''Rocker Gasket Replacement'' as this argument rages on  ;D

I personally would go with the majority and buy the Vx parts.

The job itself is a simple one so maybe there's someone out there who could do a test?  ;D Not me though as I'm still sorting out the bent valves on Ralf following his mechanics' cam cover gasket replacement  ??? ??? ??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: martin42 on 05 June 2012, 20:36:39
I've got pattern gaskets,and no problem for 8 months so far  :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: Entwood on 05 June 2012, 20:36:48
What is it with some folks on this thread....  ?

Advice is asked for ... and given .. and then the arguments start .. :(

NO-ONE is rubbing anyones faces in anything .... it is a well proven fact that pattern gaskets do not last as well as genuine, there will be exceptions .. but as a general rule, in this case genuine are better......

That is the advice.. if you wish to ignore it .. fine .. your choice .. but why ask in the first place then ??

It is PROBABLY cheaper IN THE LONG RUN to fit genuine as they appear to last longer. Those of us who think long term ownership recommend that course of action .. you do what you want ... but why the hell start a war over it ???

And NO apologies for shouting, or being blunt, folks looking for a fight should go down the pub or somewhere, not sit on a forum taking offence at everything posted.
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: derek89 on 05 June 2012, 20:50:47
I'm not looking to start a fight i'm simply defending myself against tunnie's quote about saving for vx parts.Like i said,not everyone is in the position to be lucky enough to be earning to save enough for vx parts so to me it sounds like he is rubbing our faces in it
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: derek89 on 05 June 2012, 21:00:10
Always makes me chuckle when I see a thread started that says something like ''Rocker Gasket Replacement'' as this argument rages on  ;D

I personally would go with the majority and buy the Vx parts.

The job itself is a simple one so maybe there's someone out there who could do a test?  ;D Not me though as I'm still sorting out the bent valves on Ralf following his mechanics' cam cover gasket replacement  ??? ??? ??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: Shallow Al on 05 June 2012, 21:11:49
Is it safe to come out now?  :o

Sure mate... no gay bashers on this site  :y

Bitch :P
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 05 June 2012, 21:38:32
What is it with some folks on this thread....  ?

Advice is asked for ... and given .. and then the arguments start .. :(

NO-ONE is rubbing anyones faces in anything .... it is a well proven fact that pattern gaskets do not last as well as genuine, there will be exceptions .. but as a general rule, in this case genuine are better......

That is the advice.. if you wish to ignore it .. fine .. your choice .. but why ask in the first place then ??

It is PROBABLY cheaper IN THE LONG RUN to fit genuine as they appear to last longer. Those of us who think long term ownership recommend that course of action .. you do what you want ... but why the hell start a war over it ???

And NO apologies for shouting, or being blunt, folks looking for a fight should go down the pub or somewhere, not sit on a forum taking offence at everything posted.
nobody is arguing we are just saying what we think i have been working on my own car for 30 years so may know what i am talking about :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: tunnie on 06 June 2012, 13:47:30
I'm not looking to start a fight i'm simply defending myself against tunnie's quote about saving for vx parts.Like i said,not everyone is in the position to be lucky enough to be earning to save enough for vx parts so to me it sounds like he is rubbing our faces in it

I don't really understand this, its been mentioned a few times, that some are "not lucky enough to afford Vx parts"

We as a forum recommend Eternal for exhausts (saving £100's over Kwitfit ect) so many other savings 2.2 Flexi's rather than new cats ect, our whole objective is to make sure repairs are cost effective.

Whats a tank a fuel these days, £80? £90? Gets you want 300 to 600 miles depending?
Tax, £210?
Insurance, £200?

Some people are having issues about paying another £30/40 for genuine gaskets which are proven to last 10 years and 100k?

Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: Steve B on 06 June 2012, 13:53:02
dont go and start him off again tunnie ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 06 June 2012, 21:01:24
I'm not looking to start a fight i'm simply defending myself against tunnie's quote about saving for vx parts.Like i said,not everyone is in the position to be lucky enough to be earning to save enough for vx parts so to me it sounds like he is rubbing our faces in it

I don't really understand this, its been mentioned a few times, that some are "not lucky enough to afford Vx parts"

We as a forum recommend Eternal for exhausts (saving £100's over Kwitfit ect) so many other savings 2.2 Flexi's rather than new cats ect, our whole objective is to make sure repairs are cost effective.

Whats a tank a fuel these days, £80? £90? Gets you want 300 to 600 miles depending?
Tax, £210?
Insurance, £200?

Some people are having issues about paying another £30/40 for genuine gaskets which are proven to last 10 years and 100k?
tax and insurance  and fuel we got to pay but not vx prices only when we cant get patten parts :y
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: feeutfo on 06 June 2012, 23:56:12
Is anyone suggesting here, that the way forward is to either fit pattern parts only?

...or vx parts only?
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: feeutfo on 07 June 2012, 00:21:04
Interesting on line name from the op too.
Title: Re: x20xev Rocker Cover Gasket
Post by: fakeq on 07 June 2012, 16:23:48
Thanks for all the reading, followed the exelent guides here on OOF and as allways, if it hasnt been for this site my omega would been at the scraped long ago.
Just drived 320 miles and no sign of leaking. I think it was pattern gasket but not shure  :P
But wasnt so much work to change it so I go for vx gasket next time.
Now I have to change the wishbone bushes, was some slight wobbeling sidewayes the last 100 miles when I took this long trip.  :'( :(