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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: omega3000 on 06 November 2012, 14:55:25
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What mpg are you getting :-\ Also just inquiring if the 2.0 is pretty much bullet proof , seems to be a fair few around with high mileage indicating good engines ? Anything to look out for ? Im guessing the auto box with 2.0 is a no no so must be a manual for economy reasons :-\
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2.0/2.2 is not far off 2.5 V6 in fuel use.
If given fresh oil every 5k and good coolant maintenance they are good for 200k
Neglected though, like any other engine they will have issues.
Manual if you want economy, from my 2.2 on petrol i used to average 32-34mpg.
Other benefit of 4pots is they are much, much easier to work on :y
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yeah i get between 30-32 mpg
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2.0/2.2 is not far off 2.5 V6 in fuel use.
If given fresh oil every 5k and good coolant maintenance they are good for 200k
Neglected though, like any other engine they will have issues.
Manual if you want economy, from my 2.2 on petrol i used to average 32-34mpg.
Other benefit of 4pots is they are much, much easier to work on :y
The few that i have looked at with high mileage are around the 170000 mile range so must be nearing the end of their working life then , easier to work on for definite . Mpg sounds good :y
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mines got 78,000 on the clock when i brought it 18 months ago it had 66,000 so they are out there :y
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We've had 3 as taxis. A hard life, but none of them have made it to 200,000 despite regular maintenance. Of course I don't know how well they were looked after in their early lives. 35 mpg on a steady motorway run, more like 25 running around. I've never had an auto 4 pot, but would guess they are a fair bit less economical.
My experience of Omega fuel economy is that there isn't that much in it between any of the engines, it's the auto box that's the killer.
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A low mileage 2.0 manual the one to look for then , just looking up the road tax difference and insurance compared to the 3.0 :-\
Now thats a rip off , its the same tax bracket as the 3.0 :(
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I have a 98' 2.0 ltr auto with 198.000 mls on the clock, can confirm that 25-30mpg is a ballpark figure,so I would agree that a manual is the way to go :y
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Tax would be the same on the old big or little engine scheme, guess there's some savings to be made on insurance though!
We replaced the last 2.0 Omega taxi with a 1.8 Vectra. I don't have the same enthusiasm for it, but I can't deny it's big and comfy enough, easily as quick, and it is hugely more economical... even I can get 45mpg on a run.
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The big killer with them is wear on No1 pot.
Besides that, HG is common around 150k, cam covers at around 6-8yrs. Otherwise good. Can guarantee at least 1 cam sensor failure in its life.
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I used to average 28 round town / 34 on a mixed town, A roads, blat down a motoway in my old 2.5 v6 manual :)
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The big killer with them is wear on No1 pot.
Besides that, HG is common around 150k, cam covers at around 6-8yrs. Otherwise good. Can guarantee at least 1 cam sensor failure in its life.
From my days with three X20XEV engined Vectra's it seemed to be every 40K the cam sensor would fail!
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The big killer with them is wear on No1 pot.
Besides that, HG is common around 150k, cam covers at around 6-8yrs. Otherwise good. Can guarantee at least 1 cam sensor failure in its life.
Is that wear at higher mileage or at any mileage due to bad maintenance ? Apart from that it dont sound too bad :)
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The big killer with them is wear on No1 pot.
Besides that, HG is common around 150k, cam covers at around 6-8yrs. Otherwise good. Can guarantee at least 1 cam sensor failure in its life.
Is that wear at higher mileage or at any mileage due to bad maintenance ? Apart from that it dont sound too bad :)
Engine wear, not linked to maintenance :y
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Best look for smokey exhausts then if its bore wear .. ;)
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I get 30-32 on a run and as low as 18 round town but I do drive it hard round town.
did have hg go but really easy to fix as is most things on 2.0 engine. will say look for oil in plug wells as mine has only cause I can't be bothered to change cam gasket :)
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Is that manual or auto? Thought I was heavy footed but that's as low as my 3 litre auto estate!!
Also, I found the earlier cars to be very slightly more economical than the face lift.
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Is that manual or auto? Thought I was heavy footed but that's as low as my 3 litre auto estate!!
Also, I found the earlier cars to be very slightly more economical than the face lift.
Clearly not trying hard enough - a 3.0l auto is not hard to get under 10mpg over 3 or 4 gallons ::)
I agree that the 2.6/3.2 do seem less frugal than the 2.5/3.0
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I have a 98' 2.0 ltr auto with 198.000 mls on the clock, can confirm that 25-30mpg is a ballpark figure,so I would agree that a manual is the way to go :y
Does it use any oil at that mileage ?
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Is that manual or auto? Thought I was heavy footed but that's as low as my 3 litre auto estate!!
Also, I found the earlier cars to be very slightly more economical than the face lift.
manual but if I'm careful I get about 22-24 :y
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I'm puzzled ! Why in blue blazes would anyone want a 2.0 engine in an Omega ? That's like going to battle in a tank with a lawnmower engine for power ! :D ;D ;)
Seems it's certainly not to save fuel..well barely !
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I'm puzzled ! Why in blue blazes would anyone want a 2.0 engine in an Omega ? That's like going to battle in a tank with a lawnmower engine for power ! :D ;D ;)
Seems it's certainly not to save fuel..well barely !
Simple, having both 3.2 & 2.2, I generally find the V6's a bit crap.
They are not that fast, rubbish on fuel & pig to work on. Cam cover, thermostat, plugs, oil changes everything is just so much easier on the 2.2.
Sits at motorway speeds just as easily, cheaper to insure and in my experience a quieter engine from inside the cabin.
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2.2 easier to work on and i would say yes a little quiter...but i would say a 2.5/2.6 would be a little better on fuel as the omega is a big car for a 2.0/2.2 to lug around :y
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2.2 easier to work on and i would say yes a little quiter...but i would say a 2.5/2.6 would be a little better on fuel as the omega is a big car for a 2.0/2.2 to lug around :y
I thought it would be noisier , mind you the V6 does burble a bit but it never goes over 60 much :-[
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I've never had a problem with my 2.0ltr keeping up on the motorway,had it for twelve years and it can still pull over the ton without missing a beat, and out of the three Omegas that I have it's the only car I've been done for speeding in....rightly so some of you will say I'm sure ;)
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2.2 easier to work on and i would say yes a little quiter...but i would say a 2.5/2.6 would be a little better on fuel as the omega is a big car for a 2.0/2.2 to lug around :y
Forget the 2.6
Iirc, they have a lower ratio diff then the 2.5 and use alot more fuel.
My 2.5 manual left the factory with the 3.7 diff.
Imo, a well serviced 2.5 with the optional driver involvment pack will give you the best blend of grunt and fuel economy :y
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2.2 easier to work on and i would say yes a little quiter...but i would say a 2.5/2.6 would be a little better on fuel as the omega is a big car for a 2.0/2.2 to lug around :y
Forget the 2.6
Iirc, they have a lower ratio diff then the 2.5 and use alot more fuel.
My 2.5 manual left the factory with the 3.7 diff.
Imo, a well serviced 2.5 with the optional driver involvment pack will give you the best blend of grunt and fuel economy :y
:o
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2.2 easier to work on and i would say yes a little quiter...but i would say a 2.5/2.6 would be a little better on fuel as the omega is a big car for a 2.0/2.2 to lug around :y
Forget the 2.6
Iirc, they have a lower ratio diff then the 2.5 and use alot more fuel.
My 2.5 manual left the factory with the 3.7 diff.
Imo, a well serviced 2.5 with the optional driver involvment pack will give you the best blend of grunt and fuel economy :y
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So was I :o
The car now has a 3 ltr lump under the bonnet but with the added extra's i've stuck on it and the lpg kit, its never been really quick off the line BUT its pretty good on fuel / lpg when on a run :)
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my 2.0 can beat most of the line at the lights just ask the muppet in the corsa I saw the other day ;D
and it's great on the motorway sit at 90 all day long :y
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I'm puzzled ! Why in blue blazes would anyone want a 2.0 engine in an Omega ? That's like going to battle in a tank with a lawnmower engine for power ! :D ;D ;)
Seems it's certainly not to save fuel..well barely !
Simple, having both 3.2 & 2.2, I generally find the V6's a bit crap.
They are not that fast, rubbish on fuel & pig to work on. Cam cover, thermostat, plugs, oil changes everything is just so much easier on the 2.2.
Sits at motorway speeds just as easily, cheaper to insure and in my experience a quieter engine from inside the cabin.
I hate to have to agree with him, but I do, nothing wrong with a 4 pot for day to day use and still quite capable.....Remember it is around 144 BHP iirc, a 2.9 XR4 remember them, super car's of the 90's is about 110BHP tis all relative, what we thought was fast in our younger days is surpassed by any average everyday car today..... ::) ::) ::)
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You mean 110kw Mike :y 2.0 was 125bhp, 2.8 was 160bhp, and the 2.9 150bhp and the Cosworth 24v 204 :y
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What mpg are you getting :-\ Also just inquiring if the 2.0 is pretty much bullet proof , seems to be a fair few around with high mileage indicating good engines ? Anything to look out for ? Im guessing the auto box with 2.0 is a no no so must be a manual for economy reasons :-\
never found anything wrong with auto box when i had the 2.0 , :y :y :y
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You mean 110kw Mike :y 2.0 was 125bhp, 2.8 was 160bhp, and the 2.9 150bhp and the Cosworth 24v 204 :y
:-[ :-[ :-\ :-\ Well the fact remains that the 2.2 mig is 144BHP so up there with them..... :y :y
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You mean 110kw Mike :y 2.0 was 125bhp, 2.8 was 160bhp, and the 2.9 150bhp and the Cosworth 24v 204 :y
I was going to say, I know that Cologne V6 was asthmatic but I didn't recall it being that bad. ;)
never found anything wrong with auto box when i had the 2.0 , :y :y :y
The point is that, if you're getting a 4 pot for economy, you're throwing it all away again having an auto box. The 4 pots don't, IMHO, have enough power to work well with a relatively old-fashioned 4 speed autobox either, so performance suffers too, again IMHO. It's all about opinions, though. Life would be boring if we were all the same.
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You mean 110kw Mike :y 2.0 was 125bhp, 2.8 was 160bhp, and the 2.9 150bhp and the Cosworth 24v 204 :y
:-[ :-[ :-\ :-\ Well the fact remains that the 2.2 mig is 144BHP so up there with them..... :y :y
Almost, but don't forget that the Sierra barely weighs a tonne, before rust...
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Seriously, a 2.8i XR4i is noticably quicker than a 4 pot Omega, and that's not rose tinted memories. I've had timing gear on one and I did about 8 seconds flat 0-60, and low 16 quarters.
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Top end was the wrong side of 135 iirc :-X
Granada Cosworth could, hypothetically, cruise at 140... :-X
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Top end was the wrong side of 135 iirc :-X
Granada Cosworth could, hypothetically, cruise at 140... :-X
Aye, those old scorpio's were a quick motor and not bad looking until that last facelift(if thats what you call it :-X) came out
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2.0 is lighter though , its got to be more fuel efficient than a 3.0 around town surely especially if it has the manual box :-\
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2.0 is lighter though , its got to be more fuel efficient than a 3.0 around town surely especially if it has the manual box :-\
True but its still a small engine dragging a 2 ton ish car from standstill to whatever every few minutes.
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The 2.8 XR4i was a dog of a car. Slow, hated corners, and evapourated in front of your eyes.
I do have fond memories of going around Silverstone in one (passenger this time), one dark evening, much to the annoyance of security... ...and being mullered by a 1.6 Orion :o. We tried to keep up through a corner (can't remember which now, this was original circuit), and buried it in the gravel. Fortunately it came out before security got to us.
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The 2.8 XR4i was a dog of a car. Slow, hated corners, and evapourated in front of your eyes.
I do have fond memories of going around Silverstone in one (passenger this time), one dark evening, much to the annoyance of security... ...and being mullered by a 1.6 Orion :o. We tried to keep up through a corner (can't remember which now, this was original circuit), and buried it in the gravel. Fortunately it came out before security got to us.
The 2.9 4x4 version handled well though,I think the Xr4i was more tail happy than the Crapi Capri :-X
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The 2.8 XR4i was a dog of a car. Slow, hated corners, and evapourated in front of your eyes.
I do have fond memories of going around Silverstone in one (passenger this time), one dark evening, much to the annoyance of security... ...and being mullered by a 1.6 Orion :o. We tried to keep up through a corner (can't remember which now, this was original circuit), and buried it in the gravel. Fortunately it came out before security got to us.
The 2.9 4x4 version handled well though,I think the Xr4i was more tail happy than the Crapi Capri :-X
Yeah, I remember cronic understeer quickly turning to chronic oversteeer on them, once the fronts found something to hang on to ;D
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Always fun 8) mine was a late 2.8 '88 E reg, new enough to for ABS to be a 'No Cost Option' rather than a £1000 one, but not quite new enough to be a 2.9 which got ABS as standard ::)
Why that box was never ticked beats the hell out of me :-\ Slowing down, or not, from 70 summat, with all four wheels locked is one of those moments everyone should endure at least once :o although, once might well be the last thing you do :'(
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Always fun 8) mine was a late 2.8 '88 E reg, new enough to for ABS to be a 'No Cost Option' rather than a £1000 one, but not quite new enough to be a 2.9 which got ABS as standard ::)
Why that box was never ticked beats the hell out of me :-\ Slowing down, or not, from 70 summat, with all four wheels locked is one of those moments everyone should endure at least once :o although, once might well be the last thing you do :'(
Had that feeling in many, many Fords, not just Sierras. Fortunately, in every case, the tree/lampost/signpost/ditch/oncoming Capri has managed to abruptly reduce my speed.
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Fortunately, I went back to Granadas quite quickly after that particular close call ::) Don't think that I would be here now if I'd kept that car :-\
17 minutes from Pulborough to Gatwick in rush hour can only be described as lunacy :-[
On a positive note, I never actually crashed that car ::)
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On a positive note, I never actually crashed that car ::)
//TB ponders if he has ever driven a Ford, and not wrapped it around something... ...in my defence, excluding the truely awful Focus, any other Ford I've had has been a works van ::)
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Works vans don't count imho ::) I f you don't break them first, someone else undoubtably will ;D
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Works vans don't count imho ::) I f you don't break them first, someone else undoubtably will ;D
Like hire cars, nothing goes faster than a works van.
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The 1.6 capri i had with 2.8 springs handled fine in the dry ::) :P
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Works vans don't count imho ::) I f you don't break them first, someone else undoubtably will ;D
Like hire cars, nothing goes faster than a works van.
Oh how I could tell a story or two from my Transit years.... :D :D
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Works vans don't count imho ::) I f you don't break them first, someone else undoubtably will ;D
Like hire cars, nothing goes faster than a works van.
Oh how I could tell a story or two from my Transit years.... :D :D
I loved my (2nd) tranny. Nobody dared get in your way. And (usually) very predictable if ploughed into a bend a big ambitiously.
Not that I've ever had a tranny sideways. No. not me. Not ever ::)
Any mischief that went on inside the van, that is not for public forums.
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Works vans don't count imho ::) I f you don't break them first, someone else undoubtably will ;D
Like hire cars, nothing goes faster than a works van.
Oh how I could tell a story or two from my Transit years.... :D :D
I loved my (2nd) tranny. Nobody dared get in your way. And (usually) very predictable if ploughed into a bend a big ambitiously.
Not that I've ever had a tranny sideways. No. not me. Not ever ::)
Any mischief that went on inside the van, that is not for public forums.
I'm presuming you have sipped the odd cup of tea in the back then :D :D
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Used to smoke too ;D
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I've never driven a RWD Transit that wasn't predictable :y
The slide is always to easy to control :-X ::)
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I've never driven a RWD Transit that wasn't predictable :y
The slide is always to easy to control :-X ::)
Yes, I found that out driving the Student's Union minibuses though the roundabouts of Colchester between the station and Wivenhoe park, ferrying freshers for their first taste of university life. ;D
I can remember one girl from the US, fresh from Heathrow, no previous experience of the UK, apart from the preceding British Rail journey, asking:
"Do you all drive like this over here? :o"
"Yep. :y"
"Do you often have accidents"
"Nope. Er.. Well, not that often. :-["
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I've never driven a RWD Transit that wasn't predictable :y
The slide is always to easy to control :-X ::)
As said, mine was predictable. Except once. I really wasn't expecting that.
Normally when a BT van, err, "gets modified in a corner", off with the ladders, shin up a pole, and call for help (pre mobile phones that worked in the countryside).
No friggin' poles for miles this time. Had to dig the begger out. About 3hrs it took. Good job it wasn't a busy lane (didn't see anyother sole) as I had well and truely blocked it ::)
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Had a G reg LWB at a firm at Gatwick which used to be cause carnage whenever it rained... used to wheel spin in 1st,2nd, and 3rd. Then having driven 100 yards down the road could be dropped into reverse, (sometimes without clutch :-X), and made to skip nicely upto the curb in a cloud of rubber and steam. No power steering and no turbo, but never really needed either 8) Rust got the better of it in the end :'( Did have one of those proper wraparound nudge bars on it though 8), which probably helped preserve it for a lot longer that was morally right ;D
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Had a G reg LWB at a firm at Gatwick which used to be cause carnage whenever it rained... used to wheel spin in 1st,2nd, and 3rd. Then having driven 100 yards down the road could be dropped into reverse, (sometimes without clutch :-X), and made to skip nicely upto the curb in a cloud of rubber and steam. No power steering and no turbo, but never really needed either 8) Rust got the better of it in the end :'( Did have one of those proper wraparound nudge bars on it though 8), which probably helped preserve it for a lot longer that was morally right ;D
Sounds like our Heavy Recovery Support Van (was my service van when I first started there and hadn't managed to buy mine and get it kitted out) :y :y
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Recovery Trucks tend to slide quite well too :-X ::)
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Recovery Trucks tend to slide quite well too :-X ::)
All that weight over the rear wheels ;D ;D ;D ;D not :-X
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Recovery Trucks tend to slide quite well too :-X ::)
All that weight over the rear wheels ;D ;D ;D ;D not :-X
Indeed... Great fun in the snow unless you need to get somewhere ::) ;D
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;D
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In fact, that may be why I don't normally have any issues with the Omega when it snows :-\ :-\ The recovery trucks had to get to some locations to clear the road so you learn very quickly how to deal with slippery conditions ::) ;D
The boss frequently managed to get stuck though ::)
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Works vans don't count imho ::) I f you don't break them first, someone else undoubtably will ;D
Like hire cars, nothing goes faster than a works van.
Oh how I could tell a story or two from my Transit years.... :D :D
I loved my (2nd) tranny. Nobody dared get in your way. And (usually) very predictable if ploughed into a bend a big ambitiously.
Not that I've ever had a tranny sideways. No. not me. Not ever ::)
Any mischief that went on inside the van, that is not for public forums.
I'm presuming you have sipped the odd cup of tea in the back then :D :D
Might have done..... :-X
But also managed a 360 in the face of oncoming traffice with my lane, downhill, suddenly blocked, on ice, on a 3 lane road........we all missed each other but it was one of 'those moments' though.....I was young at the time.... ::) ::)
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Good learning curve, that :y
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But also managed a 360 in the face of oncoming traffice with my lane, downhill, suddenly blocked, on ice, on a 3 lane road........we all missed each other but it was one of 'those moments' though.....I was young at the time.... ::) ::)
I had a kid with me one day (not uncommon - can't remember if this was one of the office-tosser's sons, or a potential new starter), and the tranny lost all traction on a steep, downhill section, piroetting gracefully all the way down. I tried, but it was pointless fighting it. At the bottom of the slope, it all calmed down, and we casually continued on our way... ...for about 10yrds, when he dived out of the passenger door to chunder ::)
Later that day, sent to a farm in the Chilterns (not far from where we have the Ashridge meets now). Farms there are notoriously difficult to find, with addresses like "Hill Farm, Berkhamstead, Herts", so you find yourself on these tracks up and down the slopes in the middle of nowhere, sliding, rallying style everywhere. Little kiddie was squealling like a pig. Opps.
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But also managed a 360 in the face of oncoming traffice with my lane, downhill, suddenly blocked, on ice, on a 3 lane road........we all missed each other but it was one of 'those moments' though.....I was young at the time.... ::) ::)
I had a kid with me one day (not uncommon - can't remember if this was one of the office-tosser's sons, or a potential new starter), and the tranny lost all traction on a steep, downhill section, piroetting gracefully all the way down. I tried, but it was pointless fighting it. At the bottom of the slope, it all calmed down, and we casually continued on our way... ...for about 10yrds, when he dived out of the passenger door to chunder ::)
Later that day, sent to a farm in the Chilterns (not far from where we have the Ashridge meets now). Farms there are notoriously difficult to find, with addresses like "Hill Farm, Berkhamstead, Herts", so you find yourself on these tracks up and down the slopes in the middle of nowhere, sliding, rallying style everywhere. Little kiddie was squealling like a pig. Opps.
And the more he squealed......... ;) :D :D :D
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And the more he squealed......... ;) :D :D :D
It is encouraging, isn't it ::)