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Title: Start/stop
Post by: MR MISTER on 22 September 2013, 17:24:11
Just been to McDonald's for a burger for the lad, quite a queue there. Behind me was a small VW with start/stop. Every time we inched forward I could hear his engine (a small diesel) splutter i to life, only to stop again about three feet later. It must have done it 7 or 8 times while I was there.
Surely this cannot be good for the battery/starter?
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: zirk on 22 September 2013, 17:57:48
Not sure about the VW's but on the BM's it only does it when the Battery is in good condition.

Some one did tell me once that when its in that mode the Flywheel is still spinning, but cant see that myself.
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 September 2013, 18:25:25
It's a proper pain in the yaris if you're in stop start traffic approaching, say, a busy roundabout on a dual carriageway  >:(

You can guarantee that it will cut out about half a second before a suitable gap appears, only for you to miss it due the delay caused by restarting...

Occasionally drive an automatic 7.5t with it, which tries to solve the problem by restarting in gear the second you either press the throttle or lift of the brake, which seems a bit retarded...
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 September 2013, 18:40:13
Just been to McDonald's for a burger for the lad, quite a queue there. Behind me was a small VW with start/stop. Every time we inched forward I could hear his engine (a small diesel) splutter i to life, only to stop again about three feet later. It must have done it 7 or 8 times while I was there.
Surely this cannot be good for the battery/starter?

I didn't think they allowed motor cars inside McDonalds..... :)

Wouldn't it have been better to park outside and then walk in?...... ::) ::) :)
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: MR MISTER on 22 September 2013, 18:53:00
Just been to McDonald's for a burger for the lad, quite a queue there. Behind me was a small VW with start/stop. Every time we inched forward I could hear his engine (a small diesel) splutter i to life, only to stop again about three feet later. It must have done it 7 or 8 times while I was there.
Surely this cannot be good for the battery/starter?

I didn't think they allowed motor cars inside McDonalds..... :)

Wouldn't it have been better to park outside and then walk in?...... ::) ::) :)
It's a new-fangled, American thing Opti, a drive-through. Doubt it will have reached Lincolnshire yet.
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 September 2013, 18:58:39
Just been to McDonald's for a burger for the lad, quite a queue there. Behind me was a small VW with start/stop. Every time we inched forward I could hear his engine (a small diesel) splutter i to life, only to stop again about three feet later. It must have done it 7 or 8 times while I was there.
Surely this cannot be good for the battery/starter?

I didn't think they allowed motor cars inside McDonalds..... :)

Wouldn't it have been better to park outside and then walk in?...... ::) ::) :)
It's a new-fangled, American thing Opti, a drive-through. Doubt it will have reached Lincolnshire yet.


Nope.......and neither has decimal currency. I'm sure it will arrive, given time. :y
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 September 2013, 19:26:15
His Grace, The Duke of Lincolnshire sends his man for his Maccydoos!!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 September 2013, 20:04:19
His Grace, The Duke of Lincolnshire sends his man for his Maccydoos!!   ;D ;D ;D

No, Sir Tig. I always insist on roast boar from my country estate. :y
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 September 2013, 20:07:57
His Grace, The Duke of Lincolnshire sends his man for his Maccydoos!!   ;D ;D ;D

No, Sir Tig. I always insist on roast boar from my country estate. :y

I thought you just pulled over by the side of the road and nicked a swede out of the nearest field if you got peckish?  ;)
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: henryd on 22 September 2013, 21:41:30
His Grace, The Duke of Lincolnshire sends his man for his Maccydoos!!   ;D ;D ;D

No, Sir Tig. I always insist on roast boar from my country estate. :y

I thought you just pulled over by the side of the road and nicked a swede out of the nearest field if you got peckish?

That'll be a turnip down in these parts :y
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 September 2013, 21:47:34
His Grace, The Duke of Lincolnshire sends his man for his Maccydoos!!   ;D ;D ;D

No, Sir Tig. I always insist on roast boar from my country estate. :y

I thought you just pulled over by the side of the road and nicked a swede out of the nearest field if you got peckish?  ;)

I think you'll find they're mostly Polish in the fields of Lincolnshire these days!!  :-\  :)
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Vamps on 22 September 2013, 21:52:03
It's a proper pain in the yaris if you're in stop start traffic approaching, say, a busy roundabout on a dual carriageway  >:(

You can guarantee that it will cut out about half a second before a suitable gap appears, only for you to miss it due the delay caused by restarting...

Occasionally drive an automatic 7.5t with it, which tries to solve the problem by restarting in gear the second you either press the throttle or lift of the brake, which seems a bit retarded...

I thought you could turn it off, had this on a Peugeot I was looking at some time ago and they told me it could be turned off as I did not fancy it for said reasons....... :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Andy B on 22 September 2013, 22:05:00
It's a proper pain in the yaris if you're in stop start traffic approaching, say, a busy roundabout on a dual carriageway  >:(

You can guarantee that it will cut out about half a second before a suitable gap appears, only for you to miss it due the delay caused by restarting...

Occasionally drive an automatic 7.5t with it, which tries to solve the problem by restarting in gear the second you either press the throttle or lift of the brake, which seems a bit retarded...

I thought you could turn it off, had this on a Peugeot I was looking at some time ago and they told me it could be turned off as I did not fancy it for said reasons....... :-\ :-\

I've only driven one car with it, a B Class MB, you had to turn it of every time you started the car. No idea if they can be reprogrammed  ..... I doubt it though  :-\
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Vamps on 22 September 2013, 22:12:10
It's a proper pain in the yaris if you're in stop start traffic approaching, say, a busy roundabout on a dual carriageway  >:(

You can guarantee that it will cut out about half a second before a suitable gap appears, only for you to miss it due the delay caused by restarting...

Occasionally drive an automatic 7.5t with it, which tries to solve the problem by restarting in gear the second you either press the throttle or lift of the brake, which seems a bit retarded...

I thought you could turn it off, had this on a Peugeot I was looking at some time ago and they told me it could be turned off as I did not fancy it for said reasons....... :-\ :-\

I've only driven one car with it, a B Class MB, you had to turn it of every time you started the car. No idea if they can be reprogrammed  ..... I doubt it though  :-\

That would drive me insane...... >:( >:(
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Andy B on 22 September 2013, 22:15:41
....
That would drive me insane...... >:( >:(

I suppose they'd say that you'd just get used to the stop/start  :-\ :-\

I wasn't a fan  ;)
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: chrisgixer on 22 September 2013, 22:22:41
It's a proper pain in the yaris if you're in stop start traffic approaching, say, a busy roundabout on a dual carriageway  >:(

You can guarantee that it will cut out about half a second before a suitable gap appears, only for you to miss it due the delay caused by restarting...

Occasionally drive an automatic 7.5t with it, which tries to solve the problem by restarting in gear the second you either press the throttle or lift of the brake, which seems a bit retarded...

I thought you could turn it off, had this on a Peugeot I was looking at some time ago and they told me it could be turned off as I did not fancy it for said reasons....... :-\ :-\

I've only driven one car with it, a B Class MB, you had to turn it of every time you started the car. No idea if they can be reprogrammed  ..... I doubt it though  :-\

That would drive me insane...... >:( >:(
Had a golf blu motion for a while. And yes, it's certainly does drive me insane too. Inbloodyfuriating!
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: chrisgixer on 22 September 2013, 22:26:25
Although, now that I remember, you could cheat it slightly by lifting off the brake pressure but not releasing the brake completely, so the car was running when the lights changed.

Those cars that I notice do have it, I find amusing by pulling up way short, then creaping forward, slowly. Especially if its a cock mobile.  :-X
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 September 2013, 22:42:39
Pmsl

You're just a windup merchant ::)

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 22 September 2013, 23:15:59
Isn't a diesel cheap enough to run without this gimmicky tech  ???  ;D

Fair enough on a thirsty petrol car, But diesel Na definately not, Wounder how Mr DPF likes Stop/Start around town  :o
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: tidla on 22 September 2013, 23:38:07
Its all absolute rollocks.

Techos out there for real solutions as you all know, but some oil company is sitting on it till the last drop is used up.
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 22 September 2013, 23:48:04
start stop technology is not important on a single car basis but if you think hundreds of millions of cars running everyday * 365 a year * n years , it makes a difference.. :-\
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 September 2013, 23:57:54
start stop technology is not important on a single car basis but if you think hundreds of millions of cars running everyday * 365 a year * n years , it makes a difference.. :-\

I bet it makes a real difference to the amount of lead that's discarded from old car batteries. ;)
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 23 September 2013, 00:06:40
start stop technology is not important on a single car basis but if you think hundreds of millions of cars running everyday * 365 a year * n years , it makes a difference.. :-\

I bet it makes a real difference to the amount of lead that's discarded from old car batteries. ;)

car batteries can be collected and chemicals may be re-used or destroyed properly.. but you have no chance to stop harmful gases once fuel is burned..  besides this fuel also is not endless..  :-\
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: dbdb on 23 September 2013, 00:16:21
Plus it should teach you to wait for enough space, then more forward slowly, then slow down gently giving the queue a chance to move before you stop meaning you don't have to keep stopping so much and nor do all the other cars behind you. 
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2013, 08:55:24
start stop technology is not important on a single car basis but if you think hundreds of millions of cars running everyday * 365 a year * n years , it makes a difference.. :-\
What about all the wasted fuel used in recharging those batteries, not to mention the fact that the batteries don't last.

And the longer travel times - where I work, we have enough trouble with 'tards waiting for rush hour to finish before pulling onto a roundabout, without this causing extra delays.
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Kevin Wood on 23 September 2013, 09:39:37
I'm afraid I said goodbye to the days when my car would stall at every junction when I sold my Morris Ital, and I'm not going back!
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 September 2013, 09:55:21
I'm afraid I said goodbye to the days when my car would stall at every junction when I sold my Morris Ital, and I'm not going back!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 23 September 2013, 10:18:07
start stop technology is not important on a single car basis but if you think hundreds of millions of cars running everyday * 365 a year * n years , it makes a difference.. :-\
What about all the wasted fuel used in recharging those batteries, not to mention the fact that the batteries don't last.

And the longer travel times - where I work, we have enough trouble with 'tards waiting for rush hour to finish before pulling onto a roundabout, without this causing extra delays.

 ::)
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: steve6367 on 23 September 2013, 12:03:12
What happens when the engine stops? Does the Climate Control stop providing cold air? Do all the other electrical loads switch off so your back window mists up?

Steve
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: 05omegav6 on 23 September 2013, 12:06:01
What happens when the engine stops? Does the Climate Control stop providing cold air? Do all the other electrical loads switch off so your back window mists up?

Steve

Fan will continue, but no cooling as no compressor with the engine off :y radio stays on as well, but can't speak for the rear window :-\
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 September 2013, 12:46:46
I'm afraid I said goodbye to the days when my car would stall at every junction when I sold my Morris Ital, and I'm not going back!


Ah, The Marina and Ital. Two superb handling cars that were designed as 'Drivers cars'  We really were the envy of the world back then. :)

Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Kevin Wood on 23 September 2013, 12:55:19
I'm afraid I said goodbye to the days when my car would stall at every junction when I sold my Morris Ital, and I'm not going back!


Ah, The Marina and Ital. Two superb handling cars that were designed as 'Drivers cars'  We really were the envy of the world back then. :)

Nurse! Time for Opti's meds again!

I'm sure there are oil tankers that are more responsive, and I bet they don't roll as much! I was forever cutting bits off the front mudflaps to stop them dragging!
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 September 2013, 13:08:30
I'm afraid I said goodbye to the days when my car would stall at every junction when I sold my Morris Ital, and I'm not going back!


Ah, The Marina and Ital. Two superb handling cars that were designed as 'Drivers cars'  We really were the envy of the world back then. :)

Nurse! Time for Opti's meds again!

I'm sure there are oil tankers that are more responsive, and I bet they don't roll as much! I was forever cutting bits off the front mudflaps to stop them dragging!


British Leyland in the seventies. :y :y :y

A time when workers, management and trade unions were in perfect harmony. ::) ::) ::) ::) ;) :y

....and lets  not forget the mighty Austin All-aggro........WOW What a car. :-* :-*
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: steve6367 on 23 September 2013, 13:12:36
So when you really need to air con, stuck in a frustrating hot traffic delay it's switched off!
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: 05omegav6 on 23 September 2013, 13:26:55
Yup :'(
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 23 September 2013, 13:30:38
will I buy a start stop car ? NEVER..
 
Yesterday, I looked at the unused car prices.. even 1 litre engine small sized cars over 10K£ :o
 
 
I'll keep repairing/painting my cars forever ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 September 2013, 13:42:28
will I buy a start stop car ? NEVER..
 
Yesterday, I looked at the unused car prices.. even 1 litre engine small sized cars over 10K£ :o
 
 
I'll keep repairing/painting my cars forever ;D ;D ;D


Why are cars so expensive in your neck of the woods, Cem?.... :'( :'(
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 23 September 2013, 14:48:56
will I buy a start stop car ? NEVER..
 
Yesterday, I looked at the unused car prices.. even 1 litre engine small sized cars over 10K£ :o
 
 
I'll keep repairing/painting my cars forever ;D ;D ;D


Why are cars so expensive in your neck of the woods, Cem?.... :'( :'(

because the ....................... (replace with any appropriate words) govt take 60% to %XXX taxes depending on the engine size (+vat+many other silly things) ..
 
so when the car buyer pays double (or more if bigger than 2 litre) the original price for a car , dont want to sell  and even second hand prices for luxury cars nearly %50 of initial cost after 10 years >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
 
and also dont let us buy from outside, or from foreigners or even parts (a long list of rules) :(  I learned to buy parts from abroad but had problems with customs.. :( :(
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 September 2013, 15:47:35
will I buy a start stop car ? NEVER..
 
Yesterday, I looked at the unused car prices.. even 1 litre engine small sized cars over 10K£ :o
 
 
I'll keep repairing/painting my cars forever ;D ;D ;D


Why are cars so expensive in your neck of the woods, Cem?.... :'( :'(

because the ....................... (replace with any appropriate words) govt take 60% to %XXX taxes depending on the engine size (+vat+many other silly things) ..
 
so when the car buyer pays double (or more if bigger than 2 litre) the original price for a car , dont want to sell  and even second hand prices for luxury cars nearly %50 of initial cost after 10 years >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
 
and also dont let us buy from outside, or from foreigners or even parts (a long list of rules) :(  I learned to buy parts from abroad but had problems with customs.. :( :(


 :-\ :-\ :-\ :'(
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Rog on 23 September 2013, 16:02:18
Just been to McDonald's for a burger for the lad, quite a queue there. Behind me was a small VW with start/stop. Every time we inched forward I could hear his engine (a small diesel) splutter i to life, only to stop again about three feet later. It must have done it 7 or 8 times while I was there.
Surely this cannot be good for the battery/starter?

I didn't think they allowed motor cars inside McDonalds..... :)

Wouldn't it have been better to park outside and then walk in?...... ::) ::) :)
It's a new-fangled, American thing Opti, a drive-through. Doubt it will have reached Lincolnshire yet.

It's only just got down to Wales, and they haven't quite got the idea yet . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRo2WsH6TbE


 
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2013, 16:54:52
I'm afraid I said goodbye to the days when my car would stall at every junction when I sold my Morris Ital, and I'm not going back!
I thought I had...  ...but then I bought a 3.2 Elite that does that with annoying regularity....
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: VXL V6 on 23 September 2013, 18:22:12
I'm afraid I said goodbye to the days when my car would stall at every junction when I sold my Morris Ital, and I'm not going back!
I thought I had...  ...but then I bought a 3.2 Elite that does that with annoying regularity....
Eh? Only time I've known a 3.2 'stall' is when the crank sensor waves goodbye to this world. Any idea what the issue is?

Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2013, 18:37:49
I'm afraid I said goodbye to the days when my car would stall at every junction when I sold my Morris Ital, and I'm not going back!
I thought I had...  ...but then I bought a 3.2 Elite that does that with annoying regularity....
Eh? Only time I've known a 3.2 'stall' is when the crank sensor waves goodbye to this world. Any idea what the issue is?
A grumpy LPG that I can guarantee will stall every morning whilst I slow down for the junction just outside the (ex) Bronnley Soap factory, about 0.75 miles from here.
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: dbdb on 23 September 2013, 20:24:29
I'm afraid I said goodbye to the days when my car would stall at every junction when I sold my Morris Ital, and I'm not going back!


Ah, The Marina and Ital. Two superb handling cars that were designed as 'Drivers cars'  We really were the envy of the world back then. :)

And the square steering wheel what a good idea that was
(http://img.wikinut.com/img/1b05tg5_o89jrp26/jpeg/0/Allegro-square-steering-wheel.jpeg)
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 September 2013, 20:29:37
I'm afraid I said goodbye to the days when my car would stall at every junction when I sold my Morris Ital, and I'm not going back!


Ah, The Marina and Ital. Two superb handling cars that were designed as 'Drivers cars'  We really were the envy of the world back then. :)

And the square steering wheel what a good idea that was
(http://img.wikinut.com/img/1b05tg5_o89jrp26/jpeg/0/Allegro-square-steering-wheel.jpeg)


I believe they called it 'quartic' at the time. ;D ;D ;D ;)


The 'sticky-backed' wood trim adds that touch of class. ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: MR MISTER on 23 September 2013, 20:31:07
That one is nearing the end of it's life, 393 miles on the clock.
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: VXL V6 on 23 September 2013, 20:54:11
I'm afraid I said goodbye to the days when my car would stall at every junction when I sold my Morris Ital, and I'm not going back!
I thought I had...  ...but then I bought a 3.2 Elite that does that with annoying regularity....
Eh? Only time I've known a 3.2 'stall' is when the crank sensor waves goodbye to this world. Any idea what the issue is?
A grumpy LPG that I can guarantee will stall every morning whilst I slow down for the junction just outside the (ex) Bronnley Soap factory, about 0.75 miles from here.
Ah, maybe you should run it on that petrol stuff for 1/2 a mile more.......  ;D
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Andy B on 23 September 2013, 21:00:00
....


I believe they called it 'quartic' at the time. ;D ;D ;D ;)

 ......

It was indeed ..... but you'd already Googled it https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=quartic+steering+wheel&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=9JxAUp3VLM6UhQfh5ID4Dw&ved=0CDIQsAQ&biw=1680&bih=959&dpr=1

The VDP version was particularly 'handsome'  ::) ::) ::)
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-rUv8Hmzg6gd6Fh9mbbDA1IYVGVdkYmuyuI71WKUaMI7CDGlOAQ especially in the dog turd brown that was popular at the time  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: 05omegav6 on 23 September 2013, 21:25:59
Is any one else relieved that the seventies are getting further away ::)
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: aaronjb on 23 September 2013, 22:10:25
That must have been a fancy Allegro.. I don't remember mine having a clock, or a radio, or even a rev counter.. ;D
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 September 2013, 23:09:04
That must have been a fancy Allegro.. I don't remember mine having a clock, or a radio, or even a rev counter.. ;D

Possibly a 1750 HL.......I believe that HL stood for 'Highline' :y
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 September 2013, 23:21:36
That must have been a fancy Allegro.. I don't remember mine having a clock, or a radio, or even a rev counter.. ;D

Possibly a 1750 HL.......I believe that HL stood for 'Highline' :y

Or could it have stood for 'Hydrolastic' as in that bloody awful suspension that BL used......

More probably it stood for Hasta Luego!!  ;)
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: MR MISTER on 24 September 2013, 06:09:11
That must have been a fancy Allegro.. I don't remember mine having a clock, or a radio, or even a rev counter.. ;D

Possibly a 1750 HL.......I believe that HL stood for 'Highline' :y

Or could it have stood for 'Hydrolastic' as in that bloody awful suspension that BL used......

More probably it stood for Hasta Luego!!  ;)
;D ;D
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 24 September 2013, 07:00:10
Just been to McDonald's for a burger for the lad, quite a queue there. Behind me was a small VW with start/stop. Every time we inched forward I could hear his engine (a small diesel) splutter i to life, only to stop again about three feet later. It must have done it 7 or 8 times while I was there.
Surely this cannot be good for the battery/starter?

I didn't think they allowed motor cars inside McDonalds..... :)

Wouldn't it have been better to park outside and then walk in?...... ::) ::) :)
It's a new-fangled, American thing Opti, a drive-through. Doubt it will have reached Lincolnshire yet.

You are very wrong there old chap - the McDonalds in Sleaford is one of the most profitable in the whole country I was informed recently  :o
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: 05omegav6 on 24 September 2013, 10:06:07
Good to see all those benefits hard earned taxes being spent on food ::)
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 24 September 2013, 12:49:09
That must have been a fancy Allegro.. I don't remember mine having a clock, or a radio, or even a rev counter.. ;D

Possibly a 1750 HL.......I believe that HL stood for 'Highline' :y

Or could it have stood for 'Hydrolastic' as in that bloody awful suspension that BL used......

More probably it stood for Hasta Luego!!  ;)


It was the  luxurious HL version of the All-aggro that made the girls  all wet and needy. ;)

.......or could I be confusing the humble Austin with the Ferrari Daytona?..... :D ;)
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: aaronjb on 24 September 2013, 13:22:34
.......or could I be confusing the humble Austin with the Ferrari Daytona?..... :D ;)

I think that's what Rover did when they came out with the SD1, no?
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 24 September 2013, 13:43:15
.......or could I be confusing the humble Austin with the Ferrari Daytona?..... :D ;)

I think that's what Rover did when they came out with the SD1, no?

Yes, Aaron.....a blatant copy.

However, no SD1 lubricated 'girly bits' as well as the Daytona. :) :y
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: bigegg on 24 September 2013, 14:44:38

and also dont let us buy from outside, or from foreigners or even parts (a long list of rules) :(  I learned to buy parts from abroad but had problems with customs.. :( :(

Is Turkey not in the EU <spit> then?
Thought .govs weren't allowed to restrict cross-border trade?
Or does that only apply to importing into Britain?
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: aaronjb on 24 September 2013, 15:34:47
Is Turkey not in the EU <spit> then?

Nope: http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/countries/detailed-country-information/turkey/index_en.htm
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Rog on 24 September 2013, 16:40:14

and also dont let us buy from outside, or from foreigners or even parts (a long list of rules) :(  I learned to buy parts from abroad but had problems with customs.. :( :(

Is Turkey not in the EU <spit> then?
Thought .govs weren't allowed to restrict cross-border trade?
Or does that only apply to importing into Britain?

No it's not. It has tried many times but so far has not succeeded. Probably as it is mostly the other side of the Bosphorus which is generally seen as the dividing line between Europe and the Middle East.
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 24 September 2013, 17:38:37

and also dont let us buy from outside, or from foreigners or even parts (a long list of rules) :(  I learned to buy parts from abroad but had problems with customs.. :( :(

Is Turkey not in the EU <spit> then?
Thought .govs weren't allowed to restrict cross-border trade?
Or does that only apply to importing into Britain?

nope.. but there is a customs agreement and its only valid for companies.. civils like me have no chance..
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 24 September 2013, 17:39:46
.......or could I be confusing the humble Austin with the Ferrari Daytona?..... :D ;)

I think that's what Rover did when they came out with the SD1, no?

Yes, Aaron.....a blatant copy.

However, no SD1 lubricated 'girly bits' as well as the Daytona. :) :y

 ::) ;D we must discuss this subject in detail Opti ;D :y
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: bigegg on 24 September 2013, 18:38:59

and also dont let us buy from outside, or from foreigners or even parts (a long list of rules) :(  I learned to buy parts from abroad but had problems with customs.. :( :(

Is Turkey not in the EU <spit> then?
Thought .govs weren't allowed to restrict cross-border trade?
Or does that only apply to importing into Britain?

nope.. but there is a customs agreement and its only valid for companies.. civils like me have no chance..

If it was me, and if the laws in Turkey were the same (I'm guessing not  ::) ), I'd start a one-man company which imports cars and parts - and take one as a company car.
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 24 September 2013, 19:09:34

and also dont let us buy from outside, or from foreigners or even parts (a long list of rules) :(  I learned to buy parts from abroad but had problems with customs.. :( :(

Is Turkey not in the EU <spit> then?
Thought .govs weren't allowed to restrict cross-border trade?
Or does that only apply to importing into Britain?

nope.. but there is a customs agreement and its only valid for companies.. civils like me have no chance..

If it was me, and if the laws in Turkey were the same (I'm guessing not  ::) ), I'd start a one-man company which imports cars and parts - and take one as a company car.


you need to take permissions from ministry of industry..  which means either political relations(to govt) or you have to have big money.. in both case I'm failed ;D
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 24 September 2013, 19:11:02
leaving this subject aside, the b*st*rds even dont let me drop a v8 in omega >:( you simply cant pass mot.. 
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: chrisgixer on 24 September 2013, 19:18:02
I'm afraid I said goodbye to the days when my car would stall at every junction when I sold my Morris Ital, and I'm not going back!
I thought I had...  ...but then I bought a 3.2 Elite that does that with annoying regularity....
Eh? Only time I've known a 3.2 'stall' is when the crank sensor waves goodbye to this world. Any idea what the issue is?
A grumpy LPG that I can guarantee will stall every morning whilst I slow down for the junction just outside the (ex) Bronnley Soap factory, about 0.75 miles from here.
oh just ignore him. If he fixed all the issues with TSE he wouldn't be able to moan about it, would he, and no the exploding garage doesn't cut it this has been an issue since install. Lazy bloody admin ;)

...he has Tilos number same as I do, and I manage to get bits of him easy enough.  ::)
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: TheBoy on 24 September 2013, 19:30:13
oh just ignore him. If he fixed all the issues with TSE he wouldn't be able to moan about it, would he, and no the exploding garage doesn't cut it this has been an issue since install. Lazy bloody admin ;)
Not too bad now the weather is cooling. Its usually about three quarters of a mile after switchover it gets arsey, just on hot mornings, thats when I'm at a T junction  ::)

...he has Tilos number same as I do, and I manage to get bits of him easy enough.  ::)
That I don't believe.
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: chrisgixer on 24 September 2013, 20:31:47
oh just ignore him. If he fixed all the issues with TSE he wouldn't be able to moan about it, would he, and no the exploding garage doesn't cut it this has been an issue since install. Lazy bloody admin ;)
Not too bad now the weather is cooling. Its usually about three quarters of a mile after switchover it gets arsey, just on hot mornings, thats when I'm at a T junction  ::)

...he has Tilos number same as I do, and I manage to get bits of him easy enough.  ::)
That I don't believe.
Ring it, see for yourself. 1 out of 3 calls he's in. Roughly.

Sounds similar to mine when it was running rich, except it fell over at wot and tick over.
Later in the journey it was ok, is. But always struggled just before fully warm.

Iirc your nozzles are too big?

I'll text you the number, again! ;D
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: chrisgixer on 24 September 2013, 20:33:25
Actually, I've got spare injectors in the garage, as I fitted some Prins copies.

I want to keep the injector blocks for now, but your welcome to the nozzles... I think they are suitable..?
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: TheBoy on 24 September 2013, 20:35:40
Sounds similar to mine when it was running rich, except it fell over at wot and tick over.
Later in the journey it was ok, is. But always struggled just before fully warm.
I don't give it WOT until fully warmed for a couple of miles, but the tickover sounds similar.  Did you ever resolve yours (before swapping injectors)
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: chrisgixer on 24 September 2013, 20:50:05
Sounds similar to mine when it was running rich, except it fell over at wot and tick over.
Later in the journey it was ok, is. But always struggled just before fully warm.
I don't give it WOT until fully warmed for a couple of miles, but the tickover sounds similar.  Did you ever resolve yours (before swapping injectors)

Undecided on exact cause. It might have been running rich, it may have been the moto gas injectors, (so no)

But its fine with the new injectors and a retune by MrWood, where it was found to be rich. Very rich. Causing missfires and fuel trim. Fueling backed off, all ok. Maybe needs another tweak, as it pulls away more if you lift OFF the gas at certain rpm in the midrange.

I'm considering a dyno session to get it nailed down, its difficult to tell exactly what the tune is like from the software.

But I don't think there was much difference in performance given the drive home from Sereks. Tbh.
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: TheBoy on 24 September 2013, 21:00:11
But I don't think there was much difference in performance given the drive home from Sereks. Tbh.
Some of those roundabouts I nailed it as hard as I could, and seeing as I was in front, would have expected to have pulled away slightly, but if anything, I reckon you gained.

Note, I wasn't loosing traction, so not that


//Edit: Of course, with non SC5 tyres, and wider ones at that, maybe you were able to get on it before me  :-\
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: chrisgixer on 24 September 2013, 22:58:49
Well, time to ring Tilo :)
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: pscocoa on 25 September 2013, 15:29:49
Just innocently looked at this thread thinking it was about start/stop technology having just spent time in a Passat in Hamburg with this feature and found 5 pages of something else - silly me - should have known better
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 25 September 2013, 15:31:26
Start/stop tech is a joke and is nothing more than a way to get a slightly lower tax bracket for a vehicle.
Title: Re: Start/stop
Post by: 05omegav6 on 25 September 2013, 18:05:51
Just innocently looked at this thread thinking it was about start/stop technology having just spent time in a Passat in Hamburg with this feature and found 5 pages of something else - silly me - should have known better

Back on topic, did Teilo answer his phone or not?

 ;D