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Title: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 April 2014, 13:24:05
...in public places. Think they said in Wales :-\

Anyone bothered by these ?

Doesn't bother me in the slightest personally, and I detest smoking with a passion.

Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 April 2014, 13:25:59
Yes it is Wales. I didn't know the Welsh had a govt. ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Stemo on 02 April 2014, 13:33:42
Yes it is Wales. I didn't know the Welsh had a govt. ;D
Of course Wales has a government. Apparently, they have doubled the tax that Englishmen have to pay if resident in Wales.
Don't tell Rog.
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Stemo on 02 April 2014, 13:35:05
Oh......and as for ecigs........don't care.....not interested.....vapourise away boys. ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 April 2014, 13:40:22
Well, its govt and specifically its Health minister seems totally idiotic to me. They need a nice sensible English govt. clearly. ::) ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 02 April 2014, 13:45:39
Labour Government in Wales.  ::)
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Lagondanet on 02 April 2014, 13:47:44
Are E-Cigs taxed?
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 April 2014, 13:54:34
Professor Mark Drakeford, Welsh Health Minister.

He seems unable to differentiate between normal cigs and E cigs.
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Stemo on 02 April 2014, 13:59:40
Professor Mark Drakeford, Welsh Health Minister.

He seems unable to differentiate between normal cigs and E cigs.
Hmmmm....doesn't inspire confidence.... ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: pscocoa on 02 April 2014, 14:15:04
ban ecigs from public places - looks naff and anti social
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Rog on 02 April 2014, 14:49:24
Yes it is Wales. I didn't know the Welsh had a govt. ;D
Of course Wales has a government. Apparently, they have doubled the tax that Englishmen have to pay if resident in Wales.
Don't tell Rog.

Born there, Lanelli ( but NOT going back there)

Some might like to tax the English more, but I think that they were actually looking at reducing taxes for English incomers  :o



Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 02 April 2014, 16:13:27
Yes it is Wales. I didn't know the Welsh had a govt. ;D
Of course Wales has a government. Apparently, they have doubled the tax that Englishmen have to pay if resident in Wales.
Don't tell Rog.

Born there, Lanelli ( but NOT going back there)

Some might like to tax the English more, but I think that they were actually looking at reducing taxes for English incomers  :o

Quite right too! The place needs repopulating with a healthy dose of fresh blood!  :D  ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 April 2014, 16:28:42
Oh......and as for ecigs........don't care.....not interested.....vapourise away boys. ;D

I understand that these work best when you insert a Capstan full strength. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 02 April 2014, 16:51:26
Makes smoking "look normal", apparently. :-\

Well, man has been doing it in one form or another practically since time began and 20% of the population do it admit to doing it. Sounds pretty "normal" already.

OK, you look a bit of a numpty sucking on a blue LED, IMHO, but if it doesn't do anyone else any harm what's the problem? ::)

It's just nanny state sizing up the next victim. :(
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Rog on 02 April 2014, 17:02:58

It's just nanny state sizing up the next victim. :(


 . . . . and getting peeeed of because it doesn't get any excise duty on them . . . . yet  ::)

Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Stemo on 02 April 2014, 17:33:38
Oh......and as for ecigs........don't care.....not interested.....vapourise away boys. ;D

I understand that these work best when you insert a Capstan full strength. ;D ;D
Haven't heard of them for a few years. My mate used to smoke them, his fingers looked like burnt sausages with the nicotine. ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 02 April 2014, 17:34:12
it wont stop me smoking .they can do what they want i wont stop smoking  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: omega3000 on 02 April 2014, 17:35:47
E cig has helped me stop smoking so dammed if you do dammed if you dont  :(
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 02 April 2014, 17:45:24
E cig has helped me stop smoking so dammed if you do dammed if you dont  :(
wont even go on them stick to my cigs ;D ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: omega3000 on 02 April 2014, 17:47:42
Now they are saying E cigs are just as bad as smoking  :(

Where did i put my roll ups  :(
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Lagondanet on 02 April 2014, 18:14:13
E-spliff anyone?

 ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Rog on 02 April 2014, 18:16:50
E-spliff anyone?

 ;D

 :y    :y    :y    ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: minifreek on 02 April 2014, 18:56:55
I hate smoking with a passion and these E-cigs need banning from public places too as they smell like WD40 burning....
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Andy B on 02 April 2014, 19:03:16
...
My mate used to smoke them, his fingers looked like burnt sausages with the nicotine. ;D

My Dad smoked them for years too ...... the fingers must be common to Captn Full Strength smokers  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Rog on 02 April 2014, 19:06:58
Now they are saying E cigs are just as bad as smoking  :(

Where did i put my roll ups  :(

I gave up two years ago. No patches, no chewing gum, no E Anything, I just did it.

However . . . . if somebody says tomorrow that smoking is good for you, or if I'm told that I have 3 months to live, I would start again immediately. I loved it !

Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: TheBoy on 02 April 2014, 20:33:47
I am against such bans. I'm not a smoker, and obviously do not relish fag smoke smells.  BUT that doesn't give me the right to infringe other peoples liberties, and insist on banning things I don't like*

If I don't want to go into a smoke filled pub, I'd find another. Simples.

* Except retards who won't attempt to get near the speed limit. They need shooting.
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: martin42 on 02 April 2014, 20:35:58
No chance of speeding in the battle bus then  ;D :D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 April 2014, 20:36:48
I am against such bans. I'm not a smoker, and obviously do not relish fag smoke smells.  BUT that doesn't give me the right to infringe other peoples liberties, and insist on banning things I don't like*

If I don't want to go into a smoke filled pub, I'd find another. Simples.

* Except retards who won't attempt to get near the speed limit. They need shooting.

Or there's a genuine health concern. ;)
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: TheBoy on 02 April 2014, 20:41:27
I am against such bans. I'm not a smoker, and obviously do not relish fag smoke smells.  BUT that doesn't give me the right to infringe other peoples liberties, and insist on banning things I don't like*

If I don't want to go into a smoke filled pub, I'd find another. Simples.

* Except retards who won't attempt to get near the speed limit. They need shooting.

Or there's a genuine health concern. ;)
That's not your beef, that's down to the smoker...

I like the occasional drink, that's apparently a health concern. According to do-gooders, you drive too fast, potentially risking others. Should I be banned from a Friday night, and you banned from driving?
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Stemo on 02 April 2014, 20:42:08
Gayboy means his health, selfish bastard. ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 April 2014, 20:44:29
I am against such bans. I'm not a smoker, and obviously do not relish fag smoke smells.  BUT that doesn't give me the right to infringe other peoples liberties, and insist on banning things I don't like*

If I don't want to go into a smoke filled pub, I'd find another. Simples.

* Except retards who won't attempt to get near the speed limit. They need shooting.

Or there's a genuine health concern. ;)
That's not your beef, that's down to the smoker...

I like the occasional drink, that's apparently a health concern. According to do-gooders, you drive too fast, potentially risking others. Should I be banned from a Friday night, and you banned from driving?

Passive smoking.

And if people kept left while driving they wouldn't endanger my life by pulling out in front of me.

If you want cancer from passive smoking go stand in the garden with the rest of 'em. ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: TheBoy on 02 April 2014, 20:51:54
I am against such bans. I'm not a smoker, and obviously do not relish fag smoke smells.  BUT that doesn't give me the right to infringe other peoples liberties, and insist on banning things I don't like*

If I don't want to go into a smoke filled pub, I'd find another. Simples.

* Except retards who won't attempt to get near the speed limit. They need shooting.

Or there's a genuine health concern. ;)
That's not your beef, that's down to the smoker...

I like the occasional drink, that's apparently a health concern. According to do-gooders, you drive too fast, potentially risking others. Should I be banned from a Friday night, and you banned from driving?

Passive smoking.

And if people kept left while driving they wouldn't endanger my life by pulling out in front of me.

If you want cancer from passive smoking go stand in the garden with the rest of 'em. ;D
And because I am against such bans, a smoker's (or do-gooders) reply would be that you need to stay at a maximum of the speed limit in order to cut risk to others.

Would you like to see an instant ban if the mandatory black box fitted to vehicles detected a speeding event?

Its a curtailment of people's choice. If you don't want cancer (and *still* unproven), find a smoke free pub/restaurant ;).
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 April 2014, 21:01:54
I see TB is in "one if those moods" again ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: TheBoy on 02 April 2014, 21:05:12
I see TB is in "one if those moods" again ;D
Not really, but I do get uptight when people are prevented from doing things they enjoy, and it has little impact on others (who are not forced to stand next to them).

I have too many vices that the do-gooders want to ban. Smoking is just the start.
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 April 2014, 21:07:02
I see TB is in "one if those moods" again ;D
Not really, but I do get uptight when people are prevented from doing things they enjoy, and it has little impact on others (who are not forced to stand next to them).

I have too many vices that the do-gooders want to ban. Smoking is just the start.

Yes really. ;D wtf are you on about. ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Lagondanet on 02 April 2014, 21:09:01
I see TB is in "one if those moods" again ;D
Not really, but I do get uptight when people are prevented from doing things they enjoy, and it has little impact on others (who are not forced to stand next to them).

I have too many vices that the do-gooders want to ban. Smoking is just the start.

Omega Registers?  ;)
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Stemo on 02 April 2014, 21:10:19
I see TB is in "one if those moods" again ;D
Not really, but I do get uptight when people are prevented from doing things they enjoy, and it has little impact on others (who are not forced to stand next to them).

I have too many vices that the do-gooders want to ban. Smoking is just the start.
I like wasting money on cars, me. Doesn't harm anyone else. ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 02 April 2014, 21:12:33
I'm with TB on this...

If it were a smoking in pubs/restaurants where freshly prepared food is involved, then fine I wouldn't have an issue with that... Restaurants would be smoke free and pubs could choose between being propper boozers or no smoking gastro pubs (or whatever the term is nowadays).

But no, that would be too easy, so they made it a Health and Safety issue instead. This means that if I were driving my own van every day, I wouldn't be allowed to smoke in it, even if it only had a drivers seat in it. I don't smoke, but resent the fact that I am effectively banned from having free choice >:(
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: TheBoy on 02 April 2014, 21:12:57
wtf are you on about.
When Labour banned indoor smoking in public places, they did say they wanted to ban drinking next. BRAKE are so far up the governments arse, its now almost socially unacceptable to drive a fossil fuelled car, let alone drive at a speed approaching the speed limit. 2 strokes have already been banned.

Just because you don't like smoking isn't a reason to ban it.  In the same way, just because some knob doesn't like drinking/driving/outrageously powerful bikes, that's no reason to ban those...

Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Stemo on 02 April 2014, 21:13:43
I'm with TB on this...

If it were a smoking in pubs/restaurants where freshly prepared food is involved, then fine I wouldn't have an issue with that... Restaurants would be smoke free and pubs could choose between being propper boozers or no smoking gastro pubs (or whatever the term is nowadays).

But no, that would be too easy, so they made it a Health and Safety issue instead. This means that if I were driving my own van every day, I wouldn't be allowed to smoke in it, even if it only had a drivers seat in it. I don't smoke, but resent the fact that I am effectively banned from having free choice >:(
I think the ban in enclosed places is to protect staff as well.
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 02 April 2014, 21:14:03
I see TB is in "one if those moods" again ;D
Not really, but I do get uptight when people are prevented from doing things they enjoy, and it has little impact on others (who are not forced to stand next to them).

I have too many vices that the do-gooders want to ban. Smoking is just the start.
I like wasting money on cars, me. Doesn't harm anyone else. ;D
But it does Stemo...

Every time you buy a Daewoo, it encourages them to produce more ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: cam2502 on 02 April 2014, 21:14:53
Well I've been on the e-cig since February . Saved me a fortune, doesn't stink up the place or my breath, and I feel better. Without doubt they'll find a way of taxing the hell outa them shortly!  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Stemo on 02 April 2014, 21:14:59
I see TB is in "one if those moods" again ;D
Not really, but I do get uptight when people are prevented from doing things they enjoy, and it has little impact on others (who are not forced to stand next to them).

I have too many vices that the do-gooders want to ban. Smoking is just the start.
I like wasting money on cars, me. Doesn't harm anyone else. ;D
But it does Stemo...

Every time you buy a Daewoo, it encourages them to produce more ;D
There are no more.
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Gaffers on 02 April 2014, 21:15:55
Thing is though there are no regulations on the liquids and thus you cant be 100% sure what is in it.  I dont mind someone poisoning themself, but I'll be buggered if I will be forced to breath it too.
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: TheBoy on 02 April 2014, 21:16:22
I'm with TB on this...

If it were a smoking in pubs/restaurants where freshly prepared food is involved, then fine I wouldn't have an issue with that... Restaurants would be smoke free and pubs could choose between being propper boozers or no smoking gastro pubs (or whatever the term is nowadays).

But no, that would be too easy, so they made it a Health and Safety issue instead. This means that if I were driving my own van every day, I wouldn't be allowed to smoke in it, even if it only had a drivers seat in it. I don't smoke, but resent the fact that I am effectively banned from having free choice >:(
I think the ban in enclosed places is to protect staff as well.
Well, if you applied to work at a pub/bookies etc, you know what you're letting yourself in for.  You worked for British Telecom? If you became a linesman, would you refuse to climb poles on safety grounds?
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 02 April 2014, 21:16:49
I'm with TB on this...

If it were a smoking in pubs/restaurants where freshly prepared food is involved, then fine I wouldn't have an issue with that... Restaurants would be smoke free and pubs could choose between being propper boozers or no smoking gastro pubs (or whatever the term is nowadays).

But no, that would be too easy, so they made it a Health and Safety issue instead. This means that if I were driving my own van every day, I wouldn't be allowed to smoke in it, even if it only had a drivers seat in it. I don't smoke, but resent the fact that I am effectively banned from having free choice >:(
I think the ban in enclosed places is to protect staff as well.
Yup under the guise of Health and safety in the workplace...

If you're anti smoking, don't work in a smoking environment... I'm just a stoopid taxi driver, and even I know that ::)
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Stemo on 02 April 2014, 21:18:36
I'm with TB on this...

If it were a smoking in pubs/restaurants where freshly prepared food is involved, then fine I wouldn't have an issue with that... Restaurants would be smoke free and pubs could choose between being propper boozers or no smoking gastro pubs (or whatever the term is nowadays).

But no, that would be too easy, so they made it a Health and Safety issue instead. This means that if I were driving my own van every day, I wouldn't be allowed to smoke in it, even if it only had a drivers seat in it. I don't smoke, but resent the fact that I am effectively banned from having free choice >:(
I think the ban in enclosed places is to protect staff as well.
Well, if you applied to work at a pub/bookies etc, you know what you're letting yourself in for.  You worked for British Telecom? If you became a linesman, would you refuse to climb poles on safety grounds?
You're being silly now. Linesmen are employed to climb poles, bar staff are not employed to smoke.

And, before you come back with a smart-arsed answer, I'm going...bye.. ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: TheBoy on 02 April 2014, 21:19:07
if I will be forced to breath it too.
But you're not (unless the missus ties you up and smokes on you ;D)

Demand is high enough for non smoking areas in pubs, clubs and restuarants. If an establishment does not offer such and area, plenty more will want your custom :)
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: TheBoy on 02 April 2014, 21:20:27
I'm with TB on this...

If it were a smoking in pubs/restaurants where freshly prepared food is involved, then fine I wouldn't have an issue with that... Restaurants would be smoke free and pubs could choose between being propper boozers or no smoking gastro pubs (or whatever the term is nowadays).

But no, that would be too easy, so they made it a Health and Safety issue instead. This means that if I were driving my own van every day, I wouldn't be allowed to smoke in it, even if it only had a drivers seat in it. I don't smoke, but resent the fact that I am effectively banned from having free choice >:(
I think the ban in enclosed places is to protect staff as well.
Well, if you applied to work at a pub/bookies etc, you know what you're letting yourself in for.  You worked for British Telecom? If you became a linesman, would you refuse to climb poles on safety grounds?
You're being silly now. Linesmen are employed to climb poles, bar staff are not employed to smoke.

And, before you come back with a smart-arsed answer, I'm going...bye.. ;D
Night night
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: TheBoy on 02 April 2014, 21:21:19
I'm with TB on this...

If it were a smoking in pubs/restaurants where freshly prepared food is involved, then fine I wouldn't have an issue with that... Restaurants would be smoke free and pubs could choose between being propper boozers or no smoking gastro pubs (or whatever the term is nowadays).

But no, that would be too easy, so they made it a Health and Safety issue instead. This means that if I were driving my own van every day, I wouldn't be allowed to smoke in it, even if it only had a drivers seat in it. I don't smoke, but resent the fact that I am effectively banned from having free choice >:(
I think the ban in enclosed places is to protect staff as well.
Well, if you applied to work at a pub/bookies etc, you know what you're letting yourself in for.  You worked for British Telecom? If you became a linesman, would you refuse to climb poles on safety grounds?
You're being silly now. Linesmen are employed to climb poles, bar staff are not employed to smoke.

And, before you come back with a smart-arsed answer, I'm going...bye.. ;D
Night night
Ah 'dangle berries', my battery is dying. Guess that means I've been in the bath for a couple of hours ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 April 2014, 21:23:57
wtf are you on about.
When Labour banned indoor smoking in public places, they did say they wanted to ban drinking next. BRAKE are so far up the governments arse, its now almost socially unacceptable to drive a fossil fuelled car, let alone drive at a speed approaching the speed limit. 2 strokes have already been banned.

Just because you don't like smoking isn't a reason to ban it.  In the same way, just because some knob doesn't like drinking/driving/outrageously powerful bikes, that's no reason to ban those...



Are you being argumentative?
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 02 April 2014, 21:34:40
I see TB is in "one if those moods" again ;D
Not really, but I do get uptight when people are prevented from doing things they enjoy, and it has little impact on others (who are not forced to stand next to them).

I have too many vices that the do-gooders want to ban. Smoking is just the start.
hear hear to many do gooders about telling you what to do >:( >:(
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 April 2014, 21:39:48
I see TB is in "one if those moods" again ;D
Not really, but I do get uptight when people are prevented from doing things they enjoy, and it has little impact on others (who are not forced to stand next to them).

I have too many vices that the do-gooders want to ban. Smoking is just the start.
hear hear to many do gooders about telling you what to do >:( >:(

You need showing how to tie your shoelaces, so you can shut up for a start ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: omega3000 on 02 April 2014, 22:37:50
I see TB is in "one if those moods" again ;D
Not really, but I do get uptight when people are prevented from doing things they enjoy, and it has little impact on others (who are not forced to stand next to them).

I have too many vices that the do-gooders want to ban. Smoking is just the start.
hear hear to many do gooders about telling you what to do >:( >:(

I wonder if the EU was to blame for our nanny state  ::)
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 02 April 2014, 22:42:54
Sadly EMD there is no worrying about it :'( done and dusted long ago...
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 02 April 2014, 22:44:18
So, are we talking about passive smoking from e-cigs now?

Oh, please! ::)
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 April 2014, 22:50:02
So, are we talking about passive smoking from e-cigs now?

Oh, please! ::)

I know. But there's no telling the "stupid kid from the local comprehensive" it seems. ::)
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Rods2 on 02 April 2014, 22:54:15
E cig has helped me stop smoking so dammed if you do dammed if you dont  :(
wont even go on them stick to my genuine parts  ;D ;D

Fixed. ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 April 2014, 22:55:34
;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 02 April 2014, 23:08:11
I see TB is in "one if those moods" again ;D
Not really, but I do get uptight when people are prevented from doing things they enjoy, and it has little impact on others (who are not forced to stand next to them).

I have too many vices that the do-gooders want to ban. Smoking is just the start.
hear hear to many do gooders about telling you what to do >:( >:(

You need showing how to tie your shoelaces, so you can shut up for a start ;D
nobody tells me to shut up .To old for that so your one of those do gooders are you ;D ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Rods2 on 02 April 2014, 23:10:35
I don't have problem with smoking and non smoking areas in pubs and restaurants, as long as there are both, so we have a choice to be in a smoke free environment or not. Even with smoke purification systems in my local club, in the days of smoking, you and your clothes smelt like an ashtray the next day and ceilings and paintwork went yellow from the tar very quickly.

With e-cigs, it is an unregulated market with many having suspect and dangerous chemicals. The only reports on them being safe on the passive smoking front that I have seen, is reports from the e-cig manufacturers themselves. I will await to see independent long term reports on their safety.

Paints have had to be reformulated due to the dangers of VOCs, which damage your DNA, cause birth defects etc., what many people don't realise is that these compounds can be in air fresheners and scented candles.  :o :o :o

Best not to talk about the safe level for microwave signals.  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Entwood on 02 April 2014, 23:21:43
Knowing nowt about the safety/passive risks etc etc of these e-things I will simply put this POV ....

Having sat in a restaurant with a "gentleman" (loose description) at the next table proudly demonstrating his latest "toy" and loudly proclaiming that no-one could stop him, we had to suffer voluminous clouds of licorice smelling "steam" (vapours ??) as he exercised his "rights" ...

Now, it might be old-fashioned ... but IMHO he demanded consideration of HIS rights .. but gave no consideration to anyone else who wanted to eat in a nice, clean, non-smelly atmosphere... and consideration of others is all it takes ...

If he wants to smoke those things (or VAP as I believe its called) .. fine .. but do it outside with the smokers .. be considerate of others ..
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Auto Addict on 03 April 2014, 06:58:05
I saw the retard on TV yesterday, one of the reasons he gave for the ban was they could encourage people to take up smoking real ciggies.
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: omega3000 on 03 April 2014, 07:41:01
Ahhh ! Just had a nice smelling Woodbine  ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 03 April 2014, 10:00:01
Even with smoke purification systems in my local club, in the days of smoking, you and your clothes smelt like an ashtray the next day and ceilings and paintwork went yellow from the tar very quickly.

I suspect that if the smoking ban was repealed, even smokers would quickly realise that pubs, clubs and restaurants are much more pleasant places to be these days than in the days of yore.  ;)
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 03 April 2014, 10:55:45
Even with smoke purification systems in my local club, in the days of smoking, you and your clothes smelt like an ashtray the next day and ceilings and paintwork went yellow from the tar very quickly.

I suspect that if the smoking ban was repealed, even smokers would quickly realise that pubs, clubs and restaurants are much more pleasant places to be these days than in the days of yore.  ;)
that is why a lot off pubs + clubs are closed down because of the smoking ban  :y
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 03 April 2014, 11:00:15
Even with smoke purification systems in my local club, in the days of smoking, you and your clothes smelt like an ashtray the next day and ceilings and paintwork went yellow from the tar very quickly.

I suspect that if the smoking ban was repealed, even smokers would quickly realise that pubs, clubs and restaurants are much more pleasant places to be these days than in the days of yore.  ;)
that is why a lot off pubs + clubs are closed down because of the smoking ban  :y
You're not wrong... the effect was almost instantaneous  :-\

The weather that summer didn't help, but by the time the recession kicked in that was it. Anywhere that didn't do decent food was basically fooked...
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 03 April 2014, 11:11:29
Even with smoke purification systems in my local club, in the days of smoking, you and your clothes smelt like an ashtray the next day and ceilings and paintwork went yellow from the tar very quickly.

I suspect that if the smoking ban was repealed, even smokers would quickly realise that pubs, clubs and restaurants are much more pleasant places to be these days than in the days of yore.  ;)
that is why a lot off pubs + clubs are closed down because of the smoking ban  :y
You're not wrong... the effect was almost instantaneous  :-\

The weather that summer didn't help, but by the time the recession kicked in that was it. Anywhere that didn't do decent food was basically fooked...

On the other hand, the pubs that do do food are now busier, IMHO. They have attracted customers who wouldn't go to a pub before due to the smoke. Most people don't want to have a nice meal in a smoking environment. :-\

Meanwhile, the former inhabitants of "sports pubs" no doubt sit watching the footie, smoking and drinking in their living rooms with their young kids. ::)

I think a ban for outlets serving food would have been better, or the possibility of a separate smoking room. On the whole, though, I think pubs are now much nicer places to be.
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: aaronjb on 03 April 2014, 11:25:50
or the possibility of a separate smoking room.

.. with an air-lock for a door..
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 03 April 2014, 11:37:21
With a bit more freedom, pubs could have consciously chosen to be smoking or non smoking, and punters would have equally had the freedom to choose either or :-\ Smoking pubs with gardens could also offer table service, making them more appealing to non smokers...

But factor in the price of drink, and it's easy to see why people buy 40 cans for a quid from Tescos etc, have a few mates round for the big footy matches and all chip in for a curry rather than going out to watch things. Even if matches are on pay per view they're still quids in :-\
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: chrisgixer on 03 April 2014, 12:05:52
Good god, is this thread still dragging on? :o ;D




Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Andy B on 03 April 2014, 12:12:45
With a bit more freedom, pubs could have consciously chosen to be smoking or non smoking, and punters would have equally had the freedom to choose either or :-\ Smoking pubs with gardens could also offer table service, making them more appealing to non smokers... ......

Before the Government made a total ban on smoking in pubs, there used to be one smoke free pun in Bury ....... that was the pub that nobody - somker or not - used
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: aaronjb on 03 April 2014, 12:13:13
Good god, is this thread still dragging on? :o ;D

I know, anyone would think it was a thread about tyres..
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Lagondanet on 03 April 2014, 12:18:16
Just one more puff.
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 03 April 2014, 12:34:00
Good god, is this thread still dragging on? :o ;D
I could start one about the difference between doing retarded things and being retarded if you like ;D

Oppsing is a different subject altogether...
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: chrisgixer on 03 April 2014, 13:20:50
W
With a bit more freedom, pubs could have consciously chosen to be smoking or non smoking, and punters would have equally had the freedom to choose either or :-\ Smoking pubs with gardens could also offer table service, making them more appealing to non smokers... ......

Before the Government made a total ban on smoking in pubs, there used to be one smoke free pun in Bury ....... that was the pub that nobody - somker or not - used

What's a somker? And is there a pun involved. :-\

...fRat vinegar syndrome is catching I see. ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Rods2 on 03 April 2014, 13:24:36
Good god, is this thread still dragging on? :o ;D

Are you now back from you fag e-cig break then?  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 03 April 2014, 13:26:28
W
With a bit more freedom, pubs could have consciously chosen to be smoking or non smoking, and punters would have equally had the freedom to choose either or :-\ Smoking pubs with gardens could also offer table service, making them more appealing to non smokers... ......

Before the Government made a total ban on smoking in pubs, there used to be one smoke free pun in Bury ....... that was the pub that nobody - somker or not - used

What's a somker? And is there a pun involved. :-\

...fRat vinegar syndrome is catching I see. ;D

Nope. Didn't catch any of that, Mr. Jobs. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26795734/Smilies/huh.gif)
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: aaronjb on 03 April 2014, 13:37:32
Rat vinegar...  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: cam2502 on 03 April 2014, 16:41:37
Is it true that the only pub/bar that allows smoking is in... Wait for it...
The House of Commons!?!?  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 03 April 2014, 17:27:25
I believe there's a pub in Pompey which, as the embassy for somewhere obscure allows smoking within its walls...
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 03 April 2014, 17:44:47
The most ridiculous situation I've seen regarding the smoking ban was in a bar in The Hague, in The Netherlands.

As here it's illegal to smoke tobacco in the workplace, so smoking cigarettes in the bar was banned, however smoking anything else was allowed!  ;)  They had hefty bouncers going round making sure people weren't mixing tobacco with whatever they were putting into their rollups and anyone caught was ejected swiftly!!  ;D

The most bizarre thing was in the corner of the bar was a transparent perspex box with a bench and room for 3 or 4 people and a massive extractor fan where people could sit and smoke tobacco products!!  :D  Ironically the atmosphere in the perspex 'smoking room' was cleaner than the rest of the bar, which was really smoky with 'alternative smoking products' smoke!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Lagondanet on 03 April 2014, 19:10:48
You know they were smoking cow shit don't you?

 ;)
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 03 April 2014, 20:29:30
Noooo were they??  ???  :o  Thought it smelt funny!!  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: moggy on 04 April 2014, 19:37:34
Just an aside guys.Did you know Days Inn hotels,offer smoking and non smoking rooms.(not encouraging just saying).Dean.
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Andy B on 04 April 2014, 21:28:21
W
With a bit more freedom, pubs could have consciously chosen to be smoking or non smoking, and punters would have equally had the freedom to choose either or :-\ Smoking pubs with gardens could also offer table service, making them more appealing to non smokers... ......

Before the Government made a total ban on smoking in pubs, there used to be one smoke free pun in Bury ....... that was the pub that nobody - somker or not - used

What's a somker? And is there a pun involved. :-\

...fRat vinegar syndrome is catching I see. ;D

There's an irony there ..... somewhere .... getting picked up for spelling from you  ::) ::) ???
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: omega3000 on 04 April 2014, 21:33:03
Is it true that the only pub/bar that allows smoking is in... Wait for it...
The House of Commons!?!?  >:( >:(

Thats probably true  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Spliffing nanny state  ::)
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Andy B on 04 April 2014, 21:33:09
Work has just banned them from being 'smoked' in side as from now, they've to go outside with the smokers. A bit unfair I think to tell someone that is doing their best to stop smoking, to go & stand with the smokers.  ???
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: chrisgixer on 04 April 2014, 21:49:25
W
With a bit more freedom, pubs could have consciously chosen to be smoking or non smoking, and punters would have equally had the freedom to choose either or :-\ Smoking pubs with gardens could also offer table service, making them more appealing to non smokers... ......

Before the Government made a total ban on smoking in pubs, there used to be one smoke free pun in Bury ....... that was the pub that nobody - somker or not - used

What's a somker? And is there a pun involved. :-\

...fRat vinegar syndrome is catching I see. ;D

There's an irony there ..... somewhere .... getting picked up for spelling from you  ::) ::) ???
You know what, I think that about a member here. What's his name... Andy something....?


The path of the righTeous is difficult. Obi WAn. ;D
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Rods2 on 04 April 2014, 23:35:11
Hospital admissions for people suffering nicotine poisoning are on the rise due to e cigs which make it much easier to overdose. A nicotine overdose can cause death. :'(

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002510.htm (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002510.htm)

The also contain diethylene glycol a component of antifreeze and nitrosamine a known carcinogen. So what is safe in other people inhaling these passively?

http://www.medicaldiscoverynews.com/shows/264-ecigs.html (http://www.medicaldiscoverynews.com/shows/264-ecigs.html)
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: omega3000 on 05 April 2014, 07:03:43
Hospital admissions for people suffering nicotine poisoning are on the rise due to e cigs which make it much easier to overdose. A nicotine overdose can cause death. :'(

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002510.htm (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002510.htm)

The also contain diethylene glycol a component of antifreeze and nitrosamine a known carcinogen. So what is safe in other people inhaling these passively?

http://www.medicaldiscoverynews.com/shows/264-ecigs.html (http://www.medicaldiscoverynews.com/shows/264-ecigs.html)

 :o :o



Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 April 2014, 19:28:43
Hospital admissions for people suffering nicotine poisoning are on the rise due to e cigs which make it much easier to overdose. A nicotine overdose can cause death. :'(

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002510.htm (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002510.htm)

The also contain diethylene glycol a component of antifreeze and nitrosamine a known carcinogen. So what is safe in other people inhaling these passively?

http://www.medicaldiscoverynews.com/shows/264-ecigs.html (http://www.medicaldiscoverynews.com/shows/264-ecigs.html)

I think ethylene glycol fumes are hardly unfamiliar to anyone who owns an Omega. ;D

My feelings are that I've never been able to detect any aroma from someone smoking one of them, so I can't believe the passive effects are worth worrying about. Real cigarettes are full of nasty substances too. Are they going to ban additives in the less harmful product to push people back onto the more harmful cigarettes?(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26795734/Smilies/banghead.gif)

Or maybe they should try to ban / regulate the contents of them too? (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26795734/Smilies/allrun.gif)
Title: Re: Potential ban on e cigs...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 05 April 2014, 19:32:15
Oooh controversial thinking Mr Wood...