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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: kevinp58 on 15 May 2014, 22:13:42
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Sorry but another question on tyres, ::) on some tyres it says MO which I believe is Mercedez only and others where it says BMW would these be good for the Omega as they are RWD cars too. Please don't turn this into a bun fight ;D ;D
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Specifically, what tyres do you have in mind, if any? And what size :y
You're thinking along the right lines though :y
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Specifically, what tyres do you have in mind, if any? And what size :y
You're thinking along the right lines though :y
Just been looking at getting some tyres 235 45 17 for the 3.2 and no particular make though
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Depending on budget...
Runway 926 Performance
Kuhmo Ku31/Ku39
Goodyear Eagle F1 Assym2
Continental SC3 MO(if available...)
Dunlop SportMaxx
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I really like the Kumo Ku 31's on my 2.2. Great tyre. Low noise. Good grip & lasting well.
Less happy with Nexen N6000 on the 3.2, only just enough grip for me :o
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I really like the Kumo Ku 31's on my 2.2. Great tyre. Low noise. Good grip & lasting well.
Less happy with Nexen N6000 on the 3.2, only just enough grip for me :o
Ku31 N/A. (Replaced by 39.)
Middle of the road grip and price. So deservedly, a mid range tyre. :y
(Irrelevant as not omega, but H had 31 on her Lexus. Nearly lost the back end a couple of times, so binned for sport maxx rt. Much better. ;) )
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List was off the top of my head as broadly acceptable on an Omega :y
Pretty short list :o
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List was off the top of my head as broadly acceptable on an Omega :y
Pretty short list :o
Prety good list, in order of cheapest, first. :)
Kev has 39's on his btw. Iirc he seems happy with them, for the money...?
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I have been looking at the SC3's as they were the tyre fitted by Vauxhall, when new. :y
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I have been looking at the SC3's as they were the tyre fitted by Vauxhall. :y
Mo are known to work well on 18's. Which have good rim protection.
I had generic sc3 (no rim protection iirc) on 17's with very good results.
Avoid, at all costs, the "Ao1" Audi variant. Its shite on omega, by comparison.
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Buy what you can afford.
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On that list, I'm having trouble with the F1 Assym 2's, esp in 18" sizes. The low grip is causing excessive slip, which I think is killing life :'(
Also, the entire F1 range is being phased out, and it looks like the replacements may be wanky eco tyres.
I'm desperate for new rubber on TBE, so decisions, decisions...
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Mr TB needs to either,
1) buy the stickiest tyres available.
2) Or, drive within the envelope of whatever tyres he has fitted at the time.
So, as option 2 ain't happening, Dunlop sport Maxx RT for him. :)
(Although don't Dunlop have a semi slick track orientated tyre? It will be crap in the rain though, obviously )
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Mr TB needs to either,
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2) Or, drive within the envelope of whatever tyres he has fitted at the time.
Says Mr Aggressive, Toad of Toad Hall, Get out of my way, a corner isn't a corner if you don't have to lift, Gixer ;D
I agree, I think its possible to overdrive a tyre, to the point it wears like buggery in no time. SC5s 3000 mile life is testament to that :-[ >:(
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On that list, I'm having trouble with the F1 Assym 2's, esp in 18" sizes. The low grip is causing excessive slip, which I think is killing life :'(
Also, the entire F1 range is being phased out, and it looks like the replacements may be wanky eco tyres.
I'm desperate for new rubber on TBE, so decisions, decisions...
3 weeks ago when on a trip to İstanbul I have decided to test the F1s to the limit, drove them around 230-240 kms/hr and and despite the shitty cheapo wishbones having negative effect on corners , I was able to pass an audi a6 on a corner with 200 kms/hr.. if that tyre was not enough I'm sorry your "good" tyre still not produced ;D :y
ps: speeds are from a gps not speedo..
pps: shocks and springs are stock.. size 225 45 17
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Mr TB needs to either,
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2) Or, drive within the envelope of whatever tyres he has fitted at the time.
Says Mr Aggressive, Toad of Toad Hall, Get out of my way, a corner isn't a corner if you don't have to lift, Gixer ;D
I agree, I think its possible to overdrive a tyre, to the point it wears like buggery in no time. SC5s 3000 mile life is testament to that :-[ >:(
As where.... Those Avons on the tractor, would it be fair to say? Iirc? Those Michelins on TBE. Ku31 obviously... And to an extent, F1's. ?
Michelins are a prime example, they will do mega miles, "IF" driven within their limits.
F1 are a little disappointing in grip level, compared to sc3 mo. Both yours and Al's felt harsh and a bit plasticky by comparison. A good tyre don't get me wrong, quiet and stable, with good grip, but in the realm of top of the range known good tyres for omega, IMO, rt and sc3 mo give better grip.
I think TB will over drive sc3 mo too btw. If looking for more mileage from a tyre, TB MUST accept less grip, which obviously means proportionately knocking off a few of those ten tenths to match. Sc3 mo will then suffice under option 2 and still allow good progress.
Anyway, as I said, rt for TB. ;D
(will be trying rt on the front myself next, if I ever get these top mounts fitted and set up complete after a fortnight or so)
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Sorry but another question on tyres, ::) on some tyres it says MO which I believe is Mercedez only and others where it says BMW would these be good for the Omega as they are RWD cars too. Please don't turn this into a bun fight ;D ;D
After waffling on about our own needs a little, I wonder if we've answered Kevinp58's question fully? :-[
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I've been reacquainting myself with the Yoko AD08s on the Westfield. Stick like the proverbial to a blanket if you drive progressively, and oh, so controllable if you provoke them to slide. Oh, and really smoky and stinky if you lock them up ;D
Not sure how durable they'd be on an Omega. I think mine have done 7K on the Westfield and still going strong.
You should get some on the bullet, TheBoy. It'll be a fun couple of days. :D
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I've been reacquainting myself with the Yoko AD08s on the Westfield. Stick like the proverbial to a blanket if you drive progressively, and oh, so controllable if you provoke them to slide. Oh, and really smoky and stinky if you lock them up ;D
Not sure how durable they'd be on an Omega. I think mine have done 7K on the Westfield and still going strong.
You should get some on the bullet, TheBoy. It'll be a fun couple of days. :D
Oh lordy :o like TB needs that kind of encouragement... ::)
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Sorry but another question on tyres, ::) on some tyres it says MO which I believe is Mercedez only and others where it says BMW would these be good for the Omega as they are RWD cars too. Please don't turn this into a bun fight ;D ;D
After waffling on about our own needs a little, I wonder if we've answered Kevinp58's question fully? :-[
Yes thanks Chris I have a friend who has the Goodyears on his car but it is a type R civic and he said they are brilliant and handle great in the wet but that is on a FWD car as TB says his omega doesn't really like them, so I think they are out and it is looking more like the mo sc3's are the tyre of choice for me. :y now to find some as they seem very elusive ::) most tyre sites saying they are out of stock and expecting them in shortly. :-\
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I've been reacquainting myself with the Yoko AD08s on the Westfield. Stick like the proverbial to a blanket if you drive progressively, and oh, so controllable if you provoke them to slide. Oh, and really smoky and stinky if you lock them up ;D
Not sure how durable they'd be on an Omega. I think mine have done 7K on the Westfield and still going strong.
You should get some on the bullet, TheBoy. It'll be a fun couple of days. :D
we use to have the originals A008 fitted to the works astra van,many years ago,
loads of grip, not good in wet when down to 3mm but excellent till then,nearst thing to legal slicks,use to last about 4mths,
was before people realised how good they were... if only again :y
omega might be a bit heavy.
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Sorry but another question on tyres, ::) on some tyres it says MO which I believe is Mercedez only and others where it says BMW would these be good for the Omega as they are RWD cars too. Please don't turn this into a bun fight ;D ;D
After waffling on about our own needs a little, I wonder if we've answered Kevinp58's question fully? :-[
Yes thanks Chris I have a friend who has the Goodyears on his car but it is a type R civic and he said they are brilliant and handle great in the wet but that is on a FWD car as TB says his omega doesn't really like them, so I think they are out and it is looking more like the mo sc3's are the tyre of choice for me. :y now to find some as they seem very elusive ::) most tyre sites saying they are out of stock and expecting them in shortly. :-\
They are "supposed" to be replaced by sc5. But popular sizes should still be available in sc3. Although can't speak from experience as I'm on 18's. No problems with supply so far in those sizes. :-\
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Sorry but another question on tyres, ::) on some tyres it says MO which I believe is Mercedez only and others where it says BMW would these be good for the Omega as they are RWD cars too. Please don't turn this into a bun fight ;D ;D
After waffling on about our own needs a little, I wonder if we've answered Kevinp58's question fully? :-[
Yes thanks Chris I have a friend who has the Goodyears on his car but it is a type R civic and he said they are brilliant and handle great in the wet but that is on a FWD car as TB says his omega doesn't really like them, so I think they are out and it is looking more like the mo sc3's are the tyre of choice for me. :y now to find some as they seem very elusive ::) most tyre sites saying they are out of stock and expecting them in shortly. :-\
They are "supposed" to be replaced by sc5. But popular sizes should still be available in sc3. Although can't speak from experience as I'm on 18's. No problems with supply so far in those sizes. :-\
Yes but they are crap by all accounts on the omega. :-\
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Sorry but another question on tyres, ::) on some tyres it says MO which I believe is Mercedez only and others where it says BMW would these be good for the Omega as they are RWD cars too. Please don't turn this into a bun fight ;D ;D
After waffling on about our own needs a little, I wonder if we've answered Kevinp58's question fully? :-[
Yes thanks Chris I have a friend who has the Goodyears on his car but it is a type R civic and he said they are brilliant and handle great in the wet but that is on a FWD car as TB says his omega doesn't really like them, so I think they are out and it is looking more like the mo sc3's are the tyre of choice for me. :y now to find some as they seem very elusive ::) most tyre sites saying they are out of stock and expecting them in shortly. :-\
They are "supposed" to be replaced by sc5. But popular sizes should still be available in sc3. Although can't speak from experience as I'm on 18's. No problems with supply so far in those sizes. :-\
Yes but they are crap by all accounts on the omega. :-\
Yes they are. Don't go there :o
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looking by the comments all tyres crap only sc3 mo and dunlop xxx are best ;D
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Goodyear F1 Asym 2 here 235/45/17 on the 3.2 saloon... No issues whatsoever and I do drive with TC off these days, Yous must really be thrashing your Omegas if your losing grip :o
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Phaeton tyres now need to be replaced at 44000 miles. i could squeeze a bit more out but as it is motorway driving better safe than sorry. VW price £268 each. Sandhurst Tyres £180 for Dunlop Sport 01 255 45 r18 103y extra load.
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On that list, I'm having trouble with the F1 Assym 2's, esp in 18" sizes. The low grip is causing excessive slip, which I think is killing life :'(
Also, the entire F1 range is being phased out, and it looks like the replacements may be wanky eco tyres.
I'm desperate for new rubber on TBE, so decisions, decisions...
3 weeks ago when on a trip to İstanbul I have decided to test the F1s to the limit, drove them around 230-240 kms/hr and and despite the shitty cheapo wishbones having negative effect on corners , I was able to pass an audi a6 on a corner with 200 kms/hr.. if that tyre was not enough I'm sorry your "good" tyre still not produced ;D :y
ps: speeds are from a gps not speedo..
pps: shocks and springs are stock.. size 225 45 17
Its not so much the speed, cem, as any WYZ tyre should be perfectly happy up to 149mph, irrespective of grip (OK, you'd need big gonads to do it on, say Autogrips).
Its acceleration, braking and cornering that is the issue with excessive wear. And not necessarily at stupid speeds either. TBH, I rarely drive what I'd class as fast, partly due to lack of inclination, mostly due to opportunity.
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As where.... Those Avons on the tractor, would it be fair to say?
Whilst offering fairly low grip, esp on acceleration, what a bloody hoot they were (16"). How many here have managed to consistently be able to powerslide an auto tractor. They do hold the record for my rears, just 4000 miles. But a fun 4000 miles ;D
Those Michelins on TBE.
They are just shit once you've worn through the first mm or so. Pilot Sport 3 17". Just nasty.
Ku31 obviously...
I quite liked them (15"), but no good for driving hard, as lack of feedback means you're never sure where fun ends and death starts. But a good mid range tyre. Sadly not available.
And to an extent, F1's. ?
Mid range dry grip (wet grip is good) and high wear rate on the 18" ones I have mean they will not be my next replacement. 17" seem better (perhaps more suited to the car, or maybe the superior PFL is just better)
Michelins are a prime example, they will do mega miles, "IF" driven within their limits.
I defy anybody under the age of 90 to manage to drive within limits. OK, maybe tunnie.
I think TB will over drive sc3 mo too btw. If looking for more mileage from a tyre, TB MUST accept less grip, which obviously means proportionately knocking off a few of those ten tenths to match. Sc3 mo will then suffice under option 2 and still allow good progress.
I've had SC3s before, in 17" guise. "OK" but less grip than my then preferred SP9000, about same life and price. No brainer really at the time. Had SC2s before as well (17"), I felt better than SC3. Still lagging behind SP9000.
Best tyres, as a compromise between grip, life, feedback, comfort and stability for me have been the now obsolete SportMaxx TT. What a stonkingly good tyre for the Omega, consistent over its life, right down to bald as a badgers backside. Had a few sets of them, never disappointed. Always 10-12k from rears, double from fronts. Tosspots went and replaced them >:(
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Goodyear F1 Asym 2 here 235/45/17 on the 3.2 saloon... No issues whatsoever and I do drive with TC off these days, Yous must really be thrashing your Omegas if your losing grip :o
I'm confuddled. Why drive with TC off, if its never cutting in anyway :-\
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As where.... Those Avons on the tractor, would it be fair to say?
Whilst offering fairly low grip, esp on acceleration, what a bloody hoot they were (16"). How many here have managed to consistently be able to powerslide an auto tractor. They do hold the record for my rears, just 4000 miles. But a fun 4000 miles ;D
Those Michelins on TBE.
They are just shit once you've worn through the first mm or so. Pilot Sport 3 17". Just nasty.
Ku31 obviously...
I quite liked them (15"), but no good for driving hard, as lack of feedback means you're never sure where fun ends and death starts. But a good mid range tyre. Sadly not available.
And to an extent, F1's. ?
Mid range dry grip (wet grip is good) and high wear rate on the 18" ones I have mean they will not be my next replacement. 17" seem better (perhaps more suited to the car, or maybe the superior PFL is just better)
Michelins are a prime example, they will do mega miles, "IF" driven within their limits.
I defy anybody under the age of 90 to manage to drive within limits. OK, maybe tunnie.
I think TB will over drive sc3 mo too btw. If looking for more mileage from a tyre, TB MUST accept less grip, which obviously means proportionately knocking off a few of those ten tenths to match. Sc3 mo will then suffice under option 2 and still allow good progress.
I've had SC3s before, in 17" guise. "OK" but less grip than my then preferred SP9000, about same life and price. No brainer really at the time. Had SC2s before as well (17"), I felt better than SC3. Still lagging behind SP9000.
Best tyres, as a compromise between grip, life, feedback, comfort and stability for me have been the now obsolete SportMaxx TT. What a stonkingly good tyre for the Omega, consistent over its life, right down to bald as a badgers backside. Had a few sets of them, never disappointed. Always 10-12k from rears, double from fronts. Tosspots went and replaced them >:(
As they normally do with shite tyres. >:( >:(
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As they normally do with shite tyres. >:( >:(
The replacements aren't bad, bit more grip at the expense of life, but lack the surefootedness of the TTs
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As where.... Those Avons on the tractor, would it be fair to say?
Whilst offering fairly low grip, esp on acceleration, what a bloody hoot they were (16"). How many here have managed to consistently be able to powerslide an auto tractor. They do hold the record for my rears, just 4000 miles. But a fun 4000 miles ;D
Those Michelins on TBE.
They are just shit once you've worn through the first mm or so. Pilot Sport 3 17". Just nasty.
Ku31 obviously...
I quite liked them (15"), but no good for driving hard, as lack of feedback means you're never sure where fun ends and death starts. But a good mid range tyre. Sadly not available.
And to an extent, F1's. ?
Mid range dry grip (wet grip is good) and high wear rate on the 18" ones I have mean they will not be my next replacement. 17" seem better (perhaps more suited to the car, or maybe the superior PFL is just better)
Michelins are a prime example, they will do mega miles, "IF" driven within their limits.
I defy anybody under the age of 90 to manage to drive within limits. OK, maybe tunnie.
I think TB will over drive sc3 mo too btw. If looking for more mileage from a tyre, TB MUST accept less grip, which obviously means proportionately knocking off a few of those ten tenths to match. Sc3 mo will then suffice under option 2 and still allow good progress.
I've had SC3s before, in 17" guise. "OK" but less grip than my then preferred SP9000, about same life and price. No brainer really at the time. Had SC2s before as well (17"), I felt better than SC3. Still lagging behind SP9000.
Best tyres, as a compromise between grip, life, feedback, comfort and stability for me have been the now obsolete SportMaxx TT. What a stonkingly good tyre for the Omega, consistent over its life, right down to bald as a badgers backside. Had a few sets of them, never disappointed. Always 10-12k from rears, double from fronts. Tosspots went and replaced them >:(
So, while going a million miles out of your way to take the opposite view on each point, all you've done there is prove option 2) correct in that....
...TB can't drive within the performance level of his tyres. Therefor, must have RT.
Question then is why is TB confused as to which tyre to buy? Get on with it lad! ;)
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But if TB buys four Autonogrip tyres, his driving style would very quickly adapt to match the tyres. :y
Or not... in which case he would never need tyres again :-\ :'(
Trouble is, the Omega, when set up properly, actually has a very capable chassis for its bulk 8) Regular exploitation of this fact requires tyres to match...
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But if TB buys four Autonogrip tyres, his driving style would very quickly adapt to match the tyres. :y
You've not been in a car with TB. Have you!
"Stupid boy pike!" As TB himself would say ;D
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He's talking shite about the Michelins btw. So proving the point quite nicely. They will do 40k miles. Oh yes they will!
...just not with TB driving. ;D
(Or any progressive driver, to be fair)
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Goodyear F1 Asym 2 here 235/45/17 on the 3.2 saloon... No issues whatsoever and I do drive with TC off these days, Yous must really be thrashing your Omegas if your losing grip :o
I'm confuddled. Why drive with TC off, if its never cutting in anyway :-\
The car seems more free and handles a bit better, Was used to how the 2.2 handled with that not having TC at all, Just noticed one day it felt better with it off... also a tad better MPG.. Could all be in my head mind ;D
Even with it off coming out of junctions pretty quickly these tyres don't lose grip. In the wet couldn't say leave TC on then...
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Simply not trying ;D
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Simply not trying ;D
Could be that too :D
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Goodyear F1 Asym 2 here 235/45/17 on the 3.2 saloon... No issues whatsoever and I do drive with TC off these days, Yous must really be thrashing your Omegas if your losing grip :o
I'm confuddled. Why drive with TC off, if its never cutting in anyway :-\
The car seems more free and handles a bit better, Was used to how the 2.2 handled with that not having TC at all, Just noticed one day it felt better with it off... also a tad better MPG.. Could all be in my head mind ;D
Even with it off coming out of junctions pretty quickly these tyres don't lose grip. In the wet couldn't say leave TC on then...
Completely 100%. TC has zero impact until the point it needs to intervene. So as well to leave it fully enabled for those times when you are caught out...
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But if TB buys four Autonogrip tyres, his driving style would very quickly adapt to match the tyres. :y
You've not been in a car with TB. Have you!
"Stupid boy pike!" As TB himself would say ;D
Nobody has been in a car with me with Autogrip tyres in the wet. I wouldn't allow it. How they are allowed to sell these is beyond me.
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But if TB buys four Autonogrip tyres, his driving style would very quickly adapt to match the tyres. :y
You've not been in a car with TB. Have you!
"Stupid boy pike!" As TB himself would say ;D
Nobody has been in a car with me with Autogrip tyres in the wet. I wouldn't allow it. How they are allowed to sell these is beyond me.
free marketing .. :(