Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Stemo on 20 May 2014, 10:59:01
-
Got one of these this morning while I was parked up and walking the dog. A couple of points that I would appreciate your input on:
Before I go any further, this one is called a standard charge notice, not a parking charge notice. Any difference?
I had bought a ticket but it had fallen off the dash onto the drivers seat, unfortunately face down. Now then, the offence stated on the ticket is that ' Contrary to blah blah blah it is an offence for the driver of a vehicle who has left the vehicle in a parking place to fail to pay the standard charge'.
I paid for my parking, I have the ticket to prove that. It does not state that failing to display it is the offence committed. Any experience of that one?
Thanks.
-
Is it issued by a local council or a private parking company? (It won't be old bill)
-
Private or council PCN ? if council , appeal asap (usually get 14 days ) keep ticket as proof of payment , if private you can pretty well tell them to whistle for the money , at most offer to pay for "lost revenue"
-
Yeah that is key....
Council Ones = Pay up
Private Parking Company = Bin it
-
If council appeal directly, if private contractor then Google parking charge notices and pay attention to the moneysaving forum for advice/process :y
-
Yeah that is key....
Council Ones = Pay up
Private Parking Company = Bin it
Wrong, wrong and wrong...
Only private parking notices issued prior to September 30th 2012 can be ignored. Law changed so you have to engage the company to get it quoshed :y
Martin Lewes' money saving site is full of accurate and upto date info on how to deal with it :y
-
It's Wakefield council, but I'm definitely going to appeal it as, in my opinion, I haven't committed the offence stated.
-
Yeah that is key....
Council Ones = Pay up
Private Parking Company = Bin it
Wrong, wrong and wrong...
Only private parking notices issued prior to September 30th 2012 can be ignored. Law changed so you have to engage the company to get it quoshed :y
Martin Lewes' money saving site is full of accurate and upto date info on how to deal with it :y
Nope, just bin it. ::)
Shed load of people in the office get fines from the private company, that patrols PC Worlds carpark near the office. Most people have had them, has the carparks are merged and only seperated by signs.
No one ever pays them, they may send you a few letters. But they cannot be enforced, costs them more to take you to small claims. So just bin it, engaging with company is the worse thing to do!
-
It's Wakefield council, but I'm definitely going to appeal it as, in my opinion, I haven't committed the offence stated.
Take pictures :y
Of the ticket you bought, that should state time bought and duration ect, which will contradict the ticket.
-
It's Wakefield council, but I'm definitely going to appeal it as, in my opinion, I haven't committed the offence stated.
Take pictures :y
Of the ticket you bought, that should state time bought and duration ect, which will contradict the ticket.
It's the 21st century, Tunnie. I'll scan it on to the bottom of the letter I write. ;D. :-*
-
It's Wakefield council, but I'm definitely going to appeal it as, in my opinion, I haven't committed the offence stated.
Take pictures :y
Of the ticket you bought, that should state time bought and duration ect, which will contradict the ticket.
It's the 21st century, Tunnie. I'll scan it on to the bottom of the letter I write. ;D. :-*
Scan :o
Not scanned anything in ages ;D
-
It's Wakefield council, but I'm definitely going to appeal it as, in my opinion, I haven't committed the offence stated.
Take pictures :y
Of the ticket you bought, that should state time bought and duration ect, which will contradict the ticket.
It's the 21st century, Tunnie. I'll scan it on to the bottom of the letter I write. ;D. :-*
Scan :o
Not scanned anything in ages ;D
You could always trace it...
-
Can't do links on the phone, but Tunnie your advice is wrong, pure and simple.
Granted the charges are unenforceable but it is the responsibility of the registered keeper to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that certain conditions have been met. It is impossible in 99% of cases for the companies concerned to meet those conditions, but since the law change ignoring the notices is not an option.
Google parking charge notice and read all the advice given on the site I suggested...
For an educated person you can be quite daft sometimes :D
-
For an educated person you can be quite daft sometimes :D
;D ;D ;D
-
STEMO, if it's a council ticket issued for a council car park then contact them directly and follow their appeals process. Bish bash bosh :y
-
Can't do links on the phone, but Tunnie your advice is wrong, pure and simple.
Granted the charges are unenforceable but it is the responsibility of the registered keeper to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that certain conditions have been met. It is impossible in 99% of cases for the companies concerned to meet those conditions, but since the law change ignoring the notices is not an option.
Google parking charge notice and read all the advice given on the site I suggested...
For an educated person you can be quite daft sometimes :D
Well loads of people from the office must be wrong too ::) we've all ignored them and get nothing. ;)
-
STEMO, if it's a council ticket issued for a council car park then contact them directly and follow their appeals process. Bish bash bosh :y
I intend to to. Done it before and won. Of course, it's eff all to do with the council, it's been outsourced to Capita.
-
Oh, that's alright then... 0.0005% of the population say its so, so it must be right, regardless of the actual law :-X
-
Martin Lewis' money saving site is full of accurate and up to date info on how to deal with it :y
Absolutely!
I followed the advice thereon, and got a letter within a few days stating that the matter was being dropped.
If they affixed the notice to your vehicle, it's not proof that you've received it - regardless of their photographic evidence. Any communication with them should be concluded with: "No further correspondence regarding this matter will be entered into" or similar.
I also added that the wiper linkage was damaged at (around) the same time that the notice was affixed ... apparently ... 8)
-
STEMO, if it's a council ticket issued for a council car park then contact them directly and follow their appeals process. Bish bash bosh :y
I intend to to. Done it before and won. Of course, it's eff all to do with the council, it's been outsourced to Capita.
:y The ticket times will clearly show an intention to park legally rather than outright avoidance...
-
Oh, that's alright then... 0.0005% of the population say its so, so it must be right, regardless of the actual law :-X
Well it's a private car park, all the signs and rubbish about 3 hour stay. Countless people have got 'fines', many this year as parking is an issue in dedicated spaces. Hence I take the bike if I'm running late.
Someone in my team got one after Christmas, straight in the bin. Still not had anything back or follow up ::)
The law? Well the law states it's a 70mph limit on the motorway. ::)
-
Had put it down to a brain fart, but your obviously trying to pick an argument for the sake of it >:(
Read Seths post and absorb its contents, and instead of picking holes, actually look into the advice given. If you then insist on ridiculing it, so be it, but do so with your facts straight.
-
I've started composing my letter. I'm gonna start off with
"Now lissen ere yer shower o tw ats............"
That should make them sit up.... ;D
-
Had put it down to a brain fart, but your obviously trying to pick an argument for the sake of it >:(
Read Seths post and absorb its contents, and instead of picking holes, actually look into the advice given. If you then insist on ridiculing it, so be it, but do so with your facts straight.
Not trying to pick anything, just saying what has gone on here with a lot of experiance and real world examples :y
-
All depends on the local Authority or the Private Car Parking Enforcement Company, most Councils will chase up in order to get paid, Private some will some wont, the problem arises is if they do go down the route of a Court Order for payment its all a slippery downhill slope from then on.
A few years back had a Private Ticket from a Company in Hull, about 40 quid from memory, ignored it and there follow up letters, 14 months later, Car was clamped outside my house at 6 am in the morning by a Certified Bailiff in Essex, cost me £550 in total.
-
Iirc, the offence is, failing to display a valid parking ticket.
The way I see it is this .............
As far as the warden is concerned, he couldn't see a valid ticket so you got one off him.
If he saw the ticket and took a picture (the oppsers around here have a digital camera) of your car / ticket on seat ect then your stuffed because it blowing off onto the seat is no excuse as far as they are concerned.
What would I do .............
I'd appeal and send a email to the office stating that you did have a ticket and the warden should get his oppsing eyes tested and it was displayed properly.
If they come back with evidence then you pay up, if not you have got off with it.
Now days, non payment of parking fines will find a way onto the credit register :(
-
All depends on the local Authority or the Private Car Parking Enforcement Company, most Councils will chase up in order to get paid, Private some will some wont, the problem arises is if they do go down the route of a Court Order for payment its all a slippery downhill slope from then on.
A few years back had a Private Ticket from a Company in Hull, about 40 quid from memory, ignored it and there follow up letters, 14 months later, Car was clamped outside my house at 6 am in the morning by a Certified Bailiff in Essex, cost me £550 in total.
Can't do clamping or towing away any more sadly, as our management company looked into it recently to enforce visitor parking spaces. As they used to physically stop/take it away, you had to stump up, now they are not allowed and are not enforceable. Renders all private ones pointless.
Council ones still can be enforced by the police, so have to contest them :)
-
I've started composing my letter. I'm gonna start off with
"Now lissen ere yer shower o tw ats............"
That should make them sit up.... ;D
Did the fine have a photo of your dash/car showing it was not on display?
-
Yeah that is key....
Council Ones = Pay up
Private Parking Company = Bin it
Wrong, wrong and wrong...
Only private parking notices issued prior to September 30th 2012 can be ignored. Law changed so you have to engage the company to get it quoshed :y
Martin Lewes' money saving site is full of accurate and upto date info on how to deal with it :y
Nope, just bin it. ::)
Shed load of people in the office get fines from the private company, that patrols PC Worlds carpark near the office. Most people have had them, has the carparks are merged and only seperated by signs.
No one ever pays them, they may send you a few letters. But they cannot be enforced, costs them more to take you to small claims. So just bin it, engaging with company is the worse thing to do!
Which, if successful, they will get back, plus late payment charges, Court costs, Recovery Enforcement Cost etc, etc,
-
All depends on the local Authority or the Private Car Parking Enforcement Company, most Councils will chase up in order to get paid, Private some will some wont, the problem arises is if they do go down the route of a Court Order for payment its all a slippery downhill slope from then on.
A few years back had a Private Ticket from a Company in Hull, about 40 quid from memory, ignored it and there follow up letters, 14 months later, Car was clamped outside my house at 6 am in the morning by a Certified Bailiff in Essex, cost me £550 in total.
Can't do clamping or towing away any more sadly, as our management company looked into it recently to enforce visitor parking spaces. As they used to physically stop/take it away, you had to stump up, now they are not allowed and are not enforceable. Renders all private ones pointless.
Council ones still can be enforced by the police, so have to contest them :)
Trust me, a Bailiff with a Court Order for Monies Owed, can Clamp or Seize / Remove your Vehicle.
-
All depends on the local Authority or the Private Car Parking Enforcement Company, most Councils will chase up in order to get paid, Private some will some wont, the problem arises is if they do go down the route of a Court Order for payment its all a slippery downhill slope from then on.
A few years back had a Private Ticket from a Company in Hull, about 40 quid from memory, ignored it and there follow up letters, 14 months later, Car was clamped outside my house at 6 am in the morning by a Certified Bailiff in Essex, cost me £550 in total.
Can't do clamping or towing away any more sadly, as our management company looked into it recently to enforce visitor parking spaces. As they used to physically stop/take it away, you had to stump up, now they are not allowed and are not enforceable. Renders all private ones pointless.
Council ones still can be enforced by the police, so have to contest them :)
Trust me, a Bailiff with a Court Order for Monies Owed, can Clamp or Seize / Remove your Vehicle.
Yeah, but they need to get one of those first. They used to be able to clamp/tow away just for breaking the rules, before court. It's the hassle of going to court to get that right, all these companies rely on is mugs just paying up straight away.
-
All depends on the local Authority or the Private Car Parking Enforcement Company, most Councils will chase up in order to get paid, Private some will some wont, the problem arises is if they do go down the route of a Court Order for payment its all a slippery downhill slope from then on.
A few years back had a Private Ticket from a Company in Hull, about 40 quid from memory, ignored it and there follow up letters, 14 months later, Car was clamped outside my house at 6 am in the morning by a Certified Bailiff in Essex, cost me £550 in total.
Can't do clamping or towing away any more sadly, as our management company looked into it recently to enforce visitor parking spaces. As they used to physically stop/take it away, you had to stump up, now they are not allowed and are not enforceable. Renders all private ones pointless.
Council ones still can be enforced by the police, so have to contest them :)
Trust me, a Bailiff with a Court Order for Monies Owed, can Clamp or Seize / Remove your Vehicle.
Yeah, but they need to get one of those first. They used to be able to clamp/tow away just for breaking the rules, before court. It's the hassle of going to court to get that right, all these companies rely on is mugs just paying up straight away.
If you read my post correctly, do you really think a Certified Bailiff is going to Clamp a Car outside my House at 6 am in the morning without a Court Order. ::)
-
All depends on the local Authority or the Private Car Parking Enforcement Company, most Councils will chase up in order to get paid, Private some will some wont, the problem arises is if they do go down the route of a Court Order for payment its all a slippery downhill slope from then on.
A few years back had a Private Ticket from a Company in Hull, about 40 quid from memory, ignored it and there follow up letters, 14 months later, Car was clamped outside my house at 6 am in the morning by a Certified Bailiff in Essex, cost me £550 in total.
Can't do clamping or towing away any more sadly, as our management company looked into it recently to enforce visitor parking spaces. As they used to physically stop/take it away, you had to stump up, now they are not allowed and are not enforceable. Renders all private ones pointless.
Council ones still can be enforced by the police, so have to contest them :)
Trust me, a Bailiff with a Court Order for Monies Owed, can Clamp or Seize / Remove your Vehicle.
Yeah, but they need to get one of those first. They used to be able to clamp/tow away just for breaking the rules, before court. It's the hassle of going to court to get that right, all these companies rely on is mugs just paying up straight away.
If you read my post correctly, do you really think a Certified Bailiff is going to Clamp a Car outside my House at 6 am in the morning without a Court Order. ::)
Well I know that, but you missed my point. ::)
5 years ago, you could park in a private car park, if they deemed you in breach of their rules, they could clamp you there and then. No court order, no letters, no nothing.
Now they need one. Which is what I stated, so yes I did read it correctly ::)
-
All depends on the local Authority or the Private Car Parking Enforcement Company, most Councils will chase up in order to get paid, Private some will some wont, the problem arises is if they do go down the route of a Court Order for payment its all a slippery downhill slope from then on.
A few years back had a Private Ticket from a Company in Hull, about 40 quid from memory, ignored it and there follow up letters, 14 months later, Car was clamped outside my house at 6 am in the morning by a Certified Bailiff in Essex, cost me £550 in total.
Can't do clamping or towing away any more sadly, as our management company looked into it recently to enforce visitor parking spaces. As they used to physically stop/take it away, you had to stump up, now they are not allowed and are not enforceable. Renders all private ones pointless.
Council ones still can be enforced by the police, so have to contest them :)
Trust me, a Bailiff with a Court Order for Monies Owed, can Clamp or Seize / Remove your Vehicle.
Yeah, but they need to get one of those first. They used to be able to clamp/tow away just for breaking the rules, before court. It's the hassle of going to court to get that right, all these companies rely on is mugs just paying up straight away.
If you read my post correctly, do you really think a Certified Bailiff is going to Clamp a Car outside my House at 6 am in the morning without a Court Order. ::)
Well I know that, but you missed my point. ::)
5 years ago, you could park in a private car park, if they deemed you in breach of their rules, they could clamp you there and then. No court order, no letters, no nothing.
Now they need one. Which is what I stated, so yes I did read it correctly ::)
I didn't miss your point at all, other way around me thinks.
I posted - '14 months later, Car was clamped outside my house at 6 am in the morning by a Certified Bailiff in Essex'
You replied - 'Can't do clamping or towing away any more sadly'
-
All depends on the local Authority or the Private Car Parking Enforcement Company, most Councils will chase up in order to get paid, Private some will some wont, the problem arises is if they do go down the route of a Court Order for payment its all a slippery downhill slope from then on.
A few years back had a Private Ticket from a Company in Hull, about 40 quid from memory, ignored it and there follow up letters, 14 months later, Car was clamped outside my house at 6 am in the morning by a Certified Bailiff in Essex, cost me £550 in total.
Yeah they can't :)
If it was issued a few years ago, then it's old rules. As you did say it was a few years ago ::)
-
All depends on the local Authority or the Private Car Parking Enforcement Company, most Councils will chase up in order to get paid, Private some will some wont, the problem arises is if they do go down the route of a Court Order for payment its all a slippery downhill slope from then on.
A few years back had a Private Ticket from a Company in Hull, about 40 quid from memory, ignored it and there follow up letters, 14 months later, Car was clamped outside my house at 6 am in the morning by a Certified Bailiff in Essex, cost me £550 in total.
Can't do clamping or towing away any more sadly, as our management company looked into it recently to enforce visitor parking spaces. As they used to physically stop/take it away, you had to stump up, now they are not allowed and are not enforceable. Renders all private ones pointless.
Council ones still can be enforced by the police, so have to contest them :)
Possibly (very) ... BUT ... as the council clearly knows who the registered keeper actually is (via the DVLA), it then becomes a civil matter. Bog all to do with the Police ... regardless of what any aspiring PC (or probably a PCSO these days) attempts to intimidate you with.
-
All depends on the local Authority or the Private Car Parking Enforcement Company, most Councils will chase up in order to get paid, Private some will some wont, the problem arises is if they do go down the route of a Court Order for payment its all a slippery downhill slope from then on.
A few years back had a Private Ticket from a Company in Hull, about 40 quid from memory, ignored it and there follow up letters, 14 months later, Car was clamped outside my house at 6 am in the morning by a Certified Bailiff in Essex, cost me £550 in total.
Can't do clamping or towing away any more sadly, as our management company looked into it recently to enforce visitor parking spaces. As they used to physically stop/take it away, you had to stump up, now they are not allowed and are not enforceable. Renders all private ones pointless.
Council ones still can be enforced by the police, so have to contest them :)
Possibly (very) ... BUT ... as the council clearly knows who the registered keeper actually is (via the DVLA), it then becomes a civil matter. Bog all to do with the Police ... regardless of what any aspiring PC (or probably a PCSO these days) attempts to intimidate you with.
They usually use police for protection, see quite a few operations of council parking bods along with police teams pulling people in.
Big one in Ealing couple of years ago.
-
All depends on the local Authority or the Private Car Parking Enforcement Company, most Councils will chase up in order to get paid, Private some will some wont, the problem arises is if they do go down the route of a Court Order for payment its all a slippery downhill slope from then on.
A few years back had a Private Ticket from a Company in Hull, about 40 quid from memory, ignored it and there follow up letters, 14 months later, Car was clamped outside my house at 6 am in the morning by a Certified Bailiff in Essex, cost me £550 in total.
Yeah they can't :)
If it was issued a few years ago, then it's old rules. As you did say it was a few years ago ::)
I think your talking cross purposes here Tunnie, or your just trying to confuse the issue, Im fully aware about what Private Car Parks were allowed and not allowed to do in terms of Clamping a Car a few years back.
No mention of that from Me, the point that I was trying to make, was just because its a Parking Ticket from a Private Company, your advise of just 'throw it in the Bin' shoudn't be taken as gospel.
As I found out the hard way by having my car clamped by a Bailiff and having to weight out £550 for a £40 Private Parking Ticket.
-
Cross purposes here I think :y
Just going on personal experience and went on here :)
-
People actually eat semolina :o
Doesn't make it right ::)
-
Appeal posted. We will see.
-
People actually eat semolina :o
Doesn't make it right ::)
I used to love semolina for dessert at school ... :(
-
Appeal posted. We will see.
Ah, your back are you, gonna kick it all off again are we. ;D
-
People actually eat semolina :o
Doesn't make it right ::)
I used to love semolina for dessert at school ... :(
Used to eat mine cold, mouded in a cup, upside down on a plate with real Black Current jam :)
Other thing I used to love as a kid was Cold Ready Brek, and my favourite, Butterscotch Angel Delight, use to make it when I got back from school, would sit bythe fridge waiting for it to harden, which it very rarely did as I was testing a few spoonfuls every 5 seconds. :y
-
Al runs of for a tactical chunder...
-
People actually eat semolina :o
Doesn't make it right ::)
I used to love semolina for dessert at school ... :(
Used to eat mine cold, mouded in a cup, upside down on a plate with real Black Current jam :)
Other thing I used to love as a kid was Cold Ready Brek, and my favourite, Butterscotch Angel Delight, use to make it when I got back from school, would sit bythe fridge waiting for it to harden, which it very rarely did as I was testing a few spoonfuls every 5 seconds. :y
Strange child you were.
-
People actually eat semolina :o
Doesn't make it right ::)
I used to love semolina for dessert at school ... :(
Used to eat mine cold, mouded in a cup, upside down on a plate with real Black Current jam :)
Other thing I used to love as a kid was Cold Ready Brek, and my favourite, Butterscotch Angel Delight, use to make it when I got back from school, would sit bythe fridge waiting for it to harden, which it very rarely did as I was testing a few spoonfuls every 5 seconds. :y
Strange child you were.
Yep, and it went down hill from then on. :)
-
Semolina.. Yum. :P
You batsrads! You've made me hungry now. >:(
-
;D ;D ;D
-
Can't do links on the phone, but Tunnie your advice is wrong, pure and simple.
Granted the charges are unenforceable but it is the responsibility of the registered keeper to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that certain conditions have been met. It is impossible in 99% of cases for the companies concerned to meet those conditions, but since the law change ignoring the notices is not an option.
Google parking charge notice and read all the advice given on the site I suggested...
For an educated person you can be quite daft sometimes :D
Well loads of people from the office must be wrong too ::) we've all ignored them and get nothing. ;)
But that doesn't mean you give out wrong advice based on a tiny sample of evidence. The actual rules re: private car parks are exactly as Al described. The car park you mention may not have an interest in pursuing the issued tickets, but your statement re: binning the ticket could potentially get someone else into a lot of trouble.
Just as you say, the speed limit on the M'way is 70, people do 90, but if someone does 90 at your advice and gets caught and loses their licence, then your personal experience of not getting caught so far doesnt mean anything to the person standing in front of a judge.
-
All depends on the local Authority or the Private Car Parking Enforcement Company, most Councils will chase up in order to get paid, Private some will some wont, the problem arises is if they do go down the route of a Court Order for payment its all a slippery downhill slope from then on.
A few years back had a Private Ticket from a Company in Hull, about 40 quid from memory, ignored it and there follow up letters, 14 months later, Car was clamped outside my house at 6 am in the morning by a Certified Bailiff in Essex, cost me £550 in total.
Can't do clamping or towing away any more sadly, as our management company looked into it recently to enforce visitor parking spaces. As they used to physically stop/take it away, you had to stump up, now they are not allowed and are not enforceable. Renders all private ones pointless.
Council ones still can be enforced by the police, so have to contest them :)
Not quite true tunnie......i know of a large company here in Swindon.....that clamps its employee's if they park in visitor spaces.....no charge for release.....but they have to wait until security is available to unclamp......(so look at that as an hour or two while they drink tea etc) ;)
-
Be good to know how they are allowed to do that. It used to happen around work. If we parked on double yellows ect. But not any more because of the change :-\
-
I actually paid one of these today... Got caught at Heathrow Mcdongals a couple of weeks ago...
First time since the law changed in 2012. Apparently I overstayed by 45 minutes ::)
Prior to the law change I had recieved and ignored seven of these charge notices, so I felt that it was only fair to pay this charge, as it averaged out at reasonable value for money... :-\
-
I actually paid one of these today... Got caught at Heathrow Mcdongals a couple of weeks ago...
First time since the law changed in 2012. Apparently I overstayed by 45 minutes ::)
Prior to the law change I had recieved and ignored seven of these charge notices, so I felt that it was only fair to pay this charge, as it averaged out at reasonable value for money... :-\
Fat bastard. ;D
-
Oi... both my parents were married when I was born ;D
Three course breakfast was nice though 8)
-
All depends on the local Authority or the Private Car Parking Enforcement Company, most Councils will chase up in order to get paid, Private some will some wont, the problem arises is if they do go down the route of a Court Order for payment its all a slippery downhill slope from then on.
A few years back had a Private Ticket from a Company in Hull, about 40 quid from memory, ignored it and there follow up letters, 14 months later, Car was clamped outside my house at 6 am in the morning by a Certified Bailiff in Essex, cost me £550 in total.
Can't do clamping or towing away any more sadly, as our management company looked into it recently to enforce visitor parking spaces. As they used to physically stop/take it away, you had to stump up, now they are not allowed and are not enforceable. Renders all private ones pointless.
Council ones still can be enforced by the police, so have to contest them :)
Not quite true tunnie......i know of a large company here in Swindon.....that clamps its employee's if they park in visitor spaces.....no charge for release.....but they have to wait until security is available to unclamp......(so look at that as an hour or two while they drink tea etc) ;)
The law is quite clear. Clamping on private property is a CRIMINAL OFFENCE. Section 54 of Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/section/54 (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/section/54).
Call the police to enforce the law, and/or prevent a breach of peace. Then angle grind the thing off. If you incur conseqential losses, then sue the landowner through the civil courts.
-
Appeal allowed! YAY! :y
-
Appeal allowed! YAY! :y
Jammy sod. :y
-
Appeal allowed! YAY! :y
Jammy sod. :y
No, no, no. I stated my case as I saw it, M'lud. The evidence was incontrovertible. ;D
-
I've now had two pcn's from the council and had them both removed. Should I hire out my services?
If I win your case, you give me a tenner. If you lose, hard luck. Sounds like a winning formula. :y
-
That was quick!! :o :y
-
That was quick!! :o :y
Three days :y
-
I actually paid one of these today... Got caught at Heathrow Mcdongals a couple of weeks ago...
First time since the law changed in 2012. Apparently I overstayed by 45 minutes ::)
Prior to the law change I had recieved and ignored seven of these charge notices, so I felt that it was only fair to pay this charge, as it averaged out at reasonable value for money... :-\
2hrs 45mins in a dodalds! Talk about punishment.
-
Three course breakfast was nice though 8)
there's some nice tea bars around Heathrow that serve better,fresh cooked food than dodalds.
-
Three course breakfast was nice though 8)
there's some nice tea bars around Heathrow that serve better,fresh cooked food than dodalds.
Not at 4:30am or after 8pm there aren't, besides their coffee is better than some and unlike Burgerking/kfc/costa etc their prices are consistent regardless of location :y
That particular one is perfectly located for all five terminals too, has clean toilets, cheapish fuel and a pay as you go jetwash, all open 24hours :y
-
Maccydoo's coffee is good and cheap, but has to be left for about an hour until cool enough to drink! :o ::) :y
-
Maccydoo's coffee is good and cheap, but has to be left for about an hour until cool enough to drink! :o ::) :y
coffee is a horrid American/ import.,
Drink tea and support the commonwealth. :)
mcdonuts cant make tea.....
-
There's a lot of coffee grown in The Commonwealth. ;) Kenya for example. :y