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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: tunnie on 04 September 2015, 18:23:27
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I removed rear shocks a couple of weeks back, cleaned them up, checked they returned down in one smooth motion and refitted. Now they are clean with no road muck on them, there is clearly oil around the shocks.
So they are fubared!
Question is do I go GM or B4? Not interested in firming ride up, after comfort and long life.
Are the B4s stiffer then GM? Would I notice a difference? Those that have fitted them, how did you find them?
Meyle look very competitive, just £23 each from AGP. Do they have same warranty as drop links? Can't see any reference.
First thoughts are give Meyle a go, given price difference. Think B4's are more like £55 each?
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Went for Sachs from AGP I wouldn't say they are firm just about the right ballance if that helps :y
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B4's, slightly stiffer and much better over GM.
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Went for Sachs from AGP I wouldn't say they are firm just about the right ballance if that helps :y
Thanks. How much were they? Unless blind, could not see them listed.
B4's, slightly stiffer and much better over GM.
If anything, I'd like them slightly softer :) - So will give B4s a miss I think :y
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Went for Sachs from AGP I wouldn't say they are firm just about the right ballance if that helps :y
Thanks. How much were they? Unless blind, could not see them listed.
Strange couldn't find them either :-\ ..Copied part of the order confirmation email below.. Around May i got them.
Product Model Quantity Price Total
TELE.GAS VAUX' OMEGA SAL RR 105 842 2 £40.88 £81.77 (£86.72 total)
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Cheers. :y
Been Googling Meyle shock reviews, all good so far. Positive feedback :)
Will mull it over tonight, but think I'll go with these. They have 2 year warrently apparently.
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I fitted a set of KYB rear shocks to mine last year and they're fine. £44 for the pair delivered. :y
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I'll be going B4's soon as the Borgs on the rear are going away plus I need a firmer ride for the track days :)
Got Bilsteins on the front so might as well match with the rears too :)
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I fitted a set of KYB rear shocks to mine last year and they're fine. £44 for the pair delivered. :y
Where were they from?
Did not get on well with KYB springs. :-\
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Might as well buy genuine... Non SL are cheap enough... £60 ish iirc :y
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I fitted a set of KYB rear shocks to mine last year and they're fine. £44 for the pair delivered. :y
Where were they from?
Did not get on well with KYB springs. :-\
ebay. :y
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Might as well buy genuine... Non SL are cheap enough... £60 ish iirc :y
Read various reports on here, quality is not what is was with them. Not lasting well. :-\
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Might as well buy genuine... Non SL are cheap enough... £60 ish iirc :y
Read various reports on here, quality is not what is was with them. Not lasting well. :-\
Then buy a pair of £20 no name specials and treat them as a service item ::)
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Munroe or Sachs no good?
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Munroe or Sachs no good?
Sachs should be fine as they were factory fit, presume the posturing is cost relatedhence the budget suggestion :y
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Had Meyle on the last one I sold - very nice ride, not too firm, got them from AGP :y
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Might as well buy genuine... Non SL are cheap enough... £60 ish iirc :y
Read various reports on here, quality is not what is was with them. Not lasting well. :-\
Then buy a pair of £20 no name specials and treat them as a service item ::)
Meyle not exactly no name, very, very happy with their drop links. Excellent build quality with them, so feel they are worth go.
Had Meyle on the last one I sold - very nice ride, not too firm, got them from AGP :y
Good to hear :y :y
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Also as I say, read quite a few reports here that GM shocks not lasting like they used to.
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My last two pairs of Gm self levellers lasted 120k apiece... Not sure what more you're wanting from them :-\
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My last two pairs of Gm self levellers lasted 120k apiece... Not sure what more you're wanting from them :-\
Current GM set, which is on the car now for me has lasted less than 70k, TB reported short life with his GM, B4s lasted much better. Read others posts here about not great life.
ETS was once a no name, now it's a top reccomendation
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Webby got short life too, sure there are many other reports if I searched more
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=120687.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=120687.0)
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But by your own admission you have overloaded your shocks with paving slabs ::) original shocks only last 80-120k depending on previous use, and don't forget that you reused the mountings last time which have recently failed... So hardly fair to criticise the parts for failing following abuse and neglect :-X
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Also as I say, read quite a few reports here that GM shocks not lasting like they used to.
My MV6 dampers lasted 13months before a failure on one of the rears, not long after the other followed, mileage was under 12k and has never carried any more than the weekly shop.
These are made by Sachs and I`m not at all impressed with their dampers anymore, I had premature failures on my Senator too :-\
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But by your own admission you have overloaded your shocks with paving slabs ::) original shocks only last 80-120k depending on previous use, and don't forget that you reused the mountings last time which have recently failed... So hardly fair to criticise the parts for failing following abuse and neglect :-X
Paving slabs? Wtf! Never gone in my 2.2! ??? You do come up with some random crap? ;D
So now it's 80-120k that's a big range. As per Webbys experiance, it's worth trying others.
I'm going with Meyle, see how they last.
Also as I say, read quite a few reports here that GM shocks not lasting like they used to.
My MV6 dampers lasted 13months before a failure on one of the rears, not long after the other followed, mileage was under 12k and has never carried any more than the weekly shop.
These are made by Sachs and I`m not at all impressed with their dampers anymore, I had premature failures on my Senator too :-\
12k. Wow. That's not good. TheBoy also reported poor life from MV6 shocks too from GM. He is much happier with B4s - but they are not for me.
Hence these Meyles look good, if they are anything like their droplinks it's a winner.
As GM droplinks are not what they used to be, very poor life span.
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B4`s are fine for the MV6 but won`t have the comfort for the Elite but I wouldn`t buy OEM again, not GM`s fault because they are made by Sachs and I think they`re pretty poor now, certainly don`t last like they used to. I had a pair of OEM drop links too and they didn`t last any longer than the ones from Euro Crap Parts.
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Anyone buying an Omega with 80-120 K under it can expect to rebuild the suspension... That's not news... I have replaced worn shocks and wishbones on Omegas with 65k on them and on cars with 150k and stand by that 40k window.
As for the paving slabs, doesn't matter which car it was, you still had it loaded to the bump stops. And if you can treat one car that way, then why wouldn't you treat the other any different,especially given your approach to part replacement :-\
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B4`s are fine for the MV6 but won`t have the comfort for the Elite but I wouldn`t buy OEM again, not GM`s fault because they are made by Sachs and I think they`re pretty poor now, certainly don`t last like they used to. I had a pair of OEM drop links too and they didn`t last any longer than the ones from Euro Crap Parts.
Cheers. Nice to hear similar experiences from others :y
Like GM exhausts, once excellent. Now no better than ETS/Eternal.
Some people are trialling gaskets, going well. So far looks like GM just for sensors these days
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I think parts these days are all suffering from poor quality and don`t last like they did but having two premature failures from the same brand has put me off using them again.
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I think parts these days are all suffering from poor quality and don`t last like they did but having two premature failures from the same brand has put me off using them again.
Same, I had crappy GM droplinks. Really short life, Meyle one have outlasted GM by twice as much so far, still good. Find myself using less and less GM stuff. :(
Harder to get GM TC parts too, what with ECP walking distance away and AGP on fast mail order. Easier to go elsewere now
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I`ve never had GM stuff through TC but as I`m not that far from Autovaux I use them quite a lot and provide part numbers and specify which parts I want OEM and I`ve always had a good price from them, everything else I use pattern parts.
I replaced the wishbones when I first got my Omega about 4 years ago, £50 for the pair and I`ve only just replaced them after 30k, can`t complain about that really.
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replaced my wishbones at 70k and just done them at 139k due to excessive corrosion but no problem with the bushes.
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I think parts these days are all suffering from poor quality and don`t last like they did but having two premature failures from the same brand has put me off using them again.
Same, I had crappy GM droplinks. Really short life, Meyle one have outlasted GM by twice as much so far, still good. Find myself using less and less GM stuff. :(
Harder to get GM TC parts too, what with ECP walking distance away and AGP on fast mail order. Easier to go elsewere now
Have to agree on the Meyle HD droplinks, done over 50K on my 2.6 now whereas the genuine GM's lasted less than 10K.
I still say the B4's are better shocks though, just because they are slightly stiffer doesn't make the car harsher, in fact the fact the car holds a bend better is far more preferable than the back end wallowing and making rear seat passengers feeling nauseous.
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I think parts these days are all suffering from poor quality and don`t last like they did but having two premature failures from the same brand has put me off using them again.
Same, I had crappy GM droplinks. Really short life, Meyle one have outlasted GM by twice as much so far, still good. Find myself using less and less GM stuff. :(
Harder to get GM TC parts too, what with ECP walking distance away and AGP on fast mail order. Easier to go elsewere now
Have to agree on the Meyle HD droplinks, done over 50K on my 2.6 now whereas the genuine GM's lasted less than 10K.
I still say the B4's are better shocks though, just because they are slightly stiffer doesn't make the car harsher, in fact the fact the car holds a bend better is far more preferable than the back end wallowing and making rear seat passengers feeling nauseous.
But he doesn't go fast enough for any body roll ;)
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Indeed. I'd consider them more for the 3.2 as that goes get chucked about more, but not the 2.2.
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My shocks do get a hammering, rough country road commute etc.
Any shock is going to feel firm, as you are replacing completely buggered ones with working ones. B4 is not a sports shock, its an OE aftermarket direct replacement shock.
For me, the jury is still out on Meyle. The droplinks tend to get recommended, as most other options are shite, rather than them being great.
The bullet still sits on its 224k, 17yr old drop links. TBE sits on the Meyle ones, as the originals failed sub 100k
Would I buy GM shocks? Not for a car I chuck around (I'd go B4 or even B6 maybe). For comfort? Well, I put GM ones on the bus.
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I need to replace my rears again as well, won't be fitting GM ones again though.
Last replaced 4 years & 28k miles genuine GM, car has never carried anything heavy or been abused.
Will probably try the Meyle version.
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Thanks for comments all. :y
I'll probably order some Meyle next week and report back on them during fitting.
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for the info: my omega has BOGE-SACHS with GM sign on them, i think this is the original.
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As part of my "let that nice Jason man melt my credit card" I've ordered some B6s all round. Wont be able to give a direct comparison as the original MV6 suspension is very tired, but I will see how it feels...
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Jason and his mate Matt had a go at my credit card too, but not so bad. Meyle shocks were at least a 3 week wait, they recommended some others. They called me back with their suggestion at around 2pm yesterday, guess what arrived this morning! :o
I can't actually remember the name of them, only mentioned once on the phone, but advised slightly better than Meyle. Less than £50 for 2? See how I get on 8)
Excellent service, will do a little review of these shocks at the weekend when I fit them.
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for the info: my omega has BOGE-SACHS with GM sign on them, i think this is the original.
Sure are :y
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For the record i Personally rate the B4's, have them all round on mine with killen springs.
The handling is so much better, and i dont think they are that stiff.
Still quite comfortable.
I find that every car i get in to as a passenger is always a lot bumpier..
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I've bought Meyle shockers, will fit them at the weekend.
The bottom securing bolts look a bit tired, does anyone know what size they are?
I'd prefer to have a couple of new ones to hand just in case.
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did Meyle ones come with a fitting kit?
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Yes the top mounting bushes, spacer, washers & nut were all supplied.
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Yes the top mounting bushes, spacer, washers & nut were all supplied.
Same here with MaxTrac ones, I'll be posting up pictures (when the missing one turns up!)
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Yes the top mounting bushes, spacer, washers & nut were all supplied.
Are they as crap as the Bilstein kit?
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Yes the top mounting bushes, spacer, washers & nut were all supplied.
Are they as crap as the Bilstein kit?
Don't know, never had Bilsteins, I'll find out when I fit them, I guess the existing Vx fittings would be usable they've only been on the car four years.
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Where's the slap head smiley when you need one ::) the GM fittings are substantial in their structure, hence the cost. Pattern ones are generally shit in comparison...
Gm estate and saloon, respectively...
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y486/05omegav6/IMG_20150426_132411_zpsntty7br9.jpg)
And the crap Bilstein supply...
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y486/05omegav6/IMG_20150426_133207_zpsdbjietdt.jpg)
The other issue is that the top mounting rod is often shorter than on the Gm ones, hence needing the estate kit to fit B4s to the sale saloons...
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Meyle looks similar to GM, I'd post picture if I knew how,
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I just opened up box again to double check MaxTrac kit, it's very similar to GM too, it's not like B4 kit. Pictures to follow at weekend assuming it's dry! :)
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Changed mine at the weekend,no real problems other than the bottom bolt on the nearside didn't want to come out
Air wrench wouldn't move it, resorted to socket bar & lump hammer.
Had already bought new GM bolts in case I destroyed them, £15.00 for two bolts, extortionate.
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Glad I copper slipped mine 8 years ago, no problems removing old bolts :)
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I'm looking forward to fitting my Bilsteins. Would have been better if the factory had remembered to post them... Apparently sent today once AGP gave them a telephonic kick... If they don't arrive by Thursday my weekend is scuppered. :-X