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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: dbug on 20 October 2011, 23:05:33
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As title - looking at a low mileage 2004 Jaguar XJ Series 3.0 auto XJ6 SE with full service records - anyone know of any probs with these?
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What to replace the Omega with is the never ending question, I did not want a BMW felt that a Merc, and I would add Jag, is to ostentatious, from a work point of view so I went way of track and bought a Jeep.... :y :y
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As title - looking at a low mileage 2004 Jaguar XJ Series 3.0 auto XJ6 SE with full service records - anyone know of any probs with these?
Nice looking cars,3.0 is pretty lively too :y
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I chose the Phaeton V6 diesel - 4 wheel drive, weighs best part of 2.5 tonnes, road tax £435 is downside, insurance £300 though, motorway mpg 37. Do not use around town - (or any diesel for that matter - DPF as per watchdog)
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never replace the omega
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As title - looking at a low mileage 2004 Jaguar XJ Series 3.0 auto XJ6 SE with full service records - anyone know of any probs with these?
I believe these to be good cars.....far better than the Jaguar Mondeo X-Type which is a bag of shite.... ;)
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As title - looking at a low mileage 2004 Jaguar XJ Series 3.0 auto XJ6 SE with full service records - anyone know of any probs with these?
I believe these to be good cars.....far better than the Jaguar Mondeo X-Type which is a bag of shite.... ;)
I found the XJ cabin to be small though - seems much less room in it than the Omega barge - us bigger chaps are a bit squeezed in the drivers seat as well
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As title - looking at a low mileage 2004 Jaguar XJ Series 3.0 auto XJ6 SE with full service records - anyone know of any probs with these?
I believe these to be good cars.....far better than the Jaguar Mondeo X-Type which is a bag of shite.... ;)
I found the XJ cabin to be small though - seems much less room in it than the Omega barge - us bigger chaps are a bit squeezed in the drivers seat as well
X-Type is also cramped. :-\
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i agree with opti since ford takeover they are shit
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i agree with opti since ford takeover they are shit
Ford have long since sold Jag to Indian conglomerate, Tata (also own Tetley Tea, hence my interest ;D)
The X type (mondeo) and S type from that era are pretty unreliable, and poorly designed. But the S type does have that V8 ::)
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You might like to cross Suzuki Vitaras off your list. :y
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i agree with opti since ford takeover they are shit
Ford have long since sold Jag to Indian conglomerate, Tata (also own Tetley Tea, hence my interest ;D)
The X type (mondeo) and S type from that era are pretty unreliable, and poorly designed. But the S type does have that V8 ::)
.. and a nice V8 it is. :-*
First ride behind that engine was with a colleague in Munich who had an XJ8 with one of those in. I thought it was a V12 at first. :-*
A mate of mine had the 3.0 S type. Whilst it was probably a little quicker than the Omega it felt a lot more cramped inside and a bit more wallowy on the bends. I recall his ownership of it (from new - silly sod) wasn't without the odd niggle either. It's also a marmite car. Personally, I reckon if you want a car that looks old-fashioned you should buy the proper 60's S type. ;)
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What are the Volvo s60's like? They look like a nice big sturdy car but I know nothing about them :-\
I'd get a 5-series Bee Em if I had the money :)
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the bmw are crap jonny never buy one myself
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What are the Volvo s60's like? They look like a nice big sturdy car but I know nothing about them :-\
I'd get a 5-series Bee Em if I had the money :)
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They are fabulous cars. In five years the only non service item I have paid for are brake pipes :)
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Had an 04 Plate XJR briefly a year or so ago (may have been longer), they're massive on the outside, although on the inside I didn't find it big at all, and I'm really not of an acceptable height to be commenting on size issues, however the supercharged V8 is an astonishing engine 400 BHP and ultra smooth however when I once pushed hard for a while, 7 odd MPG average wasn't good. My E60 5 series I would say was bigger inside, very comfortable and I never spent a penny on that. I'll get hated for this (as I do for anything BMW related but ho hum), the 7 Series is leaps & bounds ahead of the XJ in my opinion, the drives is miles better, the 231 bhp 3.0 diesel in the BMW is excellent, it's massive inside (Short Wheel Base), the LWB is even bigger, although some 7 series come stupidly equipped. Either way for me it'd be a 5 Series or a 7 Series, however the Volkswagen Phaeton is quite a forgotten car and it's extremely well built.
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I'd probably go for the S80 if it were me :-\
But they are WWD :'( :'(
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The new S80 is a brilliant car, the seats are unbelievably comfortable, the Stereo is class and the drive is excellent, even for a WWD, although there is the option of a V8 AWD model :-*
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This for example, although it has a couple of niggles, you can;t argue at that price and LPG'd too!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-VOLVO-S80-SE-SPORT-V8-SILVER-/290616644031?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item43aa1a11bf#ht_500wt_1413
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I think I'd be looking at (in a few years) the BMW E61 (touring) to replace the Omega, personally.. unless the load area is unreasonably small in real life, of course. Or go all pimpy and look at the Chrysler 300c estate.
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This for example, although it has a couple of niggles, you can;t argue at that price and LPG'd too!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-VOLVO-S80-SE-SPORT-V8-SILVER-/290616644031?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item43aa1a11bf#ht_500wt_1413
OOOooo 4.4 V8! Wouldn't mind a go in that 8)
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for me Audi A8 Quarto 3.0 TDi, cabin build makes Omega look like a Lada.
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I wont replace my miggy!
but if someone sends a surprise gift of 100K euros , a bimmer would be nice.. ;D
still dont know how I could afford the increasing fuel bills though :(
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Would never entertain a Volvo after the throttle body fiasco of the t5 lumps. Another watchdog affair. A £250 replacement part plus labour under "warranty"... USA get the part free under warranty. Uk don't. ... OH REALLY!
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And don't forget the swirl flap issue on tractor Beemers either.
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And don't forget the swirl flap issue on tractor Beemers either.
That's not just an issue which affects beemers though, it affects quite a lot of modern diesels :-\ I don't see any of the 'newer' common rail diesels being 100% reliable to be honest.
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Don't feel left out by Volvo. It's the same with their marine stuff. (angry smiley).
Further angry smiley coz laptop won't let me quote or use smileys...
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Meant to add: my beast has just done 183k. (shocked thumbs up smiley).
Almost tempted by a Holden VZ Commodore Wagon. 2007, 50k and only $20,000 aus. (stroking chin smiley).
No real reason to replace it with a newer shytebox IMHO.
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As an estate driver I would go for the MB 2.2 diesel E-series estate. As big as the Omega, faster on acceleration and high 40's MPG cruising. Even though it is only 2/3 of a proper engine! Don't know about reliability?
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Trouble with new diseasels is that the fuel delivery parts are quite highly strung, and consequently quite highly priced. Mercedes would probably be a safe bet if the dealers weren't so pretentious...
Intend to keep the beastie on the road as long as physically possible. When the time does come I will have to think quite carefully. If the situation is forced, then probably end up being a late Vectra estate as a stop gap. :-/
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Any ca I would like to replace the Omega with is as old as the Omega,so imo I might as well just keep running the Omega - while I can afford to run it.Unfortunately Im not sure how much longer that will be. :(
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And don't forget the swirl flap issue on tractor Beemers either.
That's not just an issue which affects beemers though, it affects quite a lot of modern diesels :-\ I don't see any of the 'newer' common rail diesels being 100% reliable to be honest.
to be fair to Bmw, (twitch, wince, twitch, growl) it's easily sorted with a swirl flap ectomy. Not a difficult job.
Although I don't know why I'm trying to be fair, bloody idiots fitted such a flimsy part in the inlet in the first place.
It's just something to be aware of and deal with when buying.
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Wish list.
Vxr8
Phaeton....
.... If struggling.
Possibly RWD Audi. Rs6 sport line if I can live with the suspension nightmare.
Or similar Merc.
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Wish list.
Vxr8
Phaeton....
.... If struggling.
Possibly RWD Audi. Rs6 sport line if I can live with the suspension nightmare.
Or similar Merc.
But given the massive lump of wedge these will cost over an omega, why bother?
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VXR8 for me. Maybe the previous models (which should be more affordable), its a little less extreme.
Or, Jag XF tractor :o
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And don't forget the swirl flap issue on tractor Beemers either.
That's not just an issue which affects beemers though, it affects quite a lot of modern diesels :-\ I don't see any of the 'newer' common rail diesels being 100% reliable to be honest.
to be fair to Bmw, (twitch, wince, twitch, growl) it's easily sorted with a swirl flap ectomy. Not a difficult job.
Although I don't know why I'm trying to be fair, bloody idiots fitted such a flimsy part in the inlet in the first place.
It's just something to be aware of and deal with when buying.
It is indeed something to be aware of, never had a problem with any of mine (touch wood) and hopefully won't, although that's not to say that thousands of other haven't had issues with them. It is a poor part and a poor design.
As for Merc E-Classes they're good cars, but they do like an autobox although the later post 2007 cars seem better (I drive them on a daily basis) the 2.2 diesel is quick enough too. Mind you I must say when I had my C Class, I did kind of get quite attached to that, that was lovely :-*
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VXR8 for me. Maybe the previous models (which should be more affordable), its a little less extreme.
Or, Jag XF tractor :o
XF's are nice, but I can't helping looking at them and thinking what a posh looking Ford Mondeo.
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VXR8 for me. Maybe the previous models (which should be more affordable), its a little less extreme.
Or, Jag XF tractor :o
XF's are nice, but I can't helping looking at them and thinking what a posh looking Ford Mondeo.
See, I have a problem. I'm not old enough to want a Jag. Or a diesel. But every time I drive an XF tractor, I enjoy it.
Weird.
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VXR8 for me. Maybe the previous models (which should be more affordable), its a little less extreme.
Or, Jag XF tractor :o
For the estatists out there, the new one is available to order as an estate: VXR8 Clubsport Sportswagon, and is a bit less garish than the fullblown GTS.
The prefacelift estates are approx $30k aus for an '07 one. 8)
The obvious replacement for a dead Omega would be one that is less rusty. :)
I could drive a brand new diseasel Insignia but there is no point. What I might save on fuel would cover the repayments, but the net result would simply be that I get to drive a shiny new car that will lose value hand over fist. And also may or may not be more reliable than the proven car that I know inside out and which owes me nothing. :y
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VXR8 for me. Maybe the previous models (which should be more affordable), its a little less extreme.
Or, Jag XF tractor :o
XF's are nice, but I can't helping looking at them and thinking what a posh looking Ford Mondeo.
See, I have a problem. I'm not old enough to want a Jag. Or a diesel. But every time I drive an XF tractor, I enjoy it.
Weird.
I do find Jags still have an Old man image attached to them, when I had the XJR, I did constant get asked, "Is that your dads car?". Now that would've been less irritating if they weren't being serious :-[ However I now do have to say, I can't see myself having many more petrols in the future :(
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VXR8 for me. Maybe the previous models (which should be more affordable), its a little less extreme.
Or, Jag XF tractor :o
XF's are nice, but I can't helping looking at them and thinking what a posh looking Ford Mondeo.
See, I have a problem. I'm not old enough to want a Jag. Or a diesel. But every time I drive an XF tractor, I enjoy it.
Weird.
I do find Jags still have an Old man image attached to them, when I had the XJR, I did constant get asked, "Is that your dads car?". Now that would've been less irritating if they weren't being serious :-[ However I now do have to say, I can't see myself having many more petrols in the future :(
As I'm now past the age of retirement perhaps this is the way to go then - better than using my bus pass :o :) ;)
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VXR8 for me. Maybe the previous models (which should be more affordable), its a little less extreme.
Or, Jag XF tractor :o
XF's are nice, but I can't helping looking at them and thinking what a posh looking Ford Mondeo.
See, I have a problem. I'm not old enough to want a Jag. Or a diesel. But every time I drive an XF tractor, I enjoy it.
Weird.
I do find Jags still have an Old man image attached to them, when I had the XJR, I did constant get asked, "Is that your dads car?". Now that would've been less irritating if they weren't being serious :-[ However I now do have to say, I can't see myself having many more petrols in the future :(
As I'm now past the age of retirement perhaps this is the way to go then - better than using my bus pass :o :) ;)
;D ;D
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I am tempted by the VW Passat CC, especially in the top 3.5 spec. Not now but in a few years when they are cheaper,lol.
I think they have a stylish look that follows on from the miggy.
What do others think?
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I am tempted by the VW Passat CC, especially in the top 3.5 spec. Not now but in a few years when they are cheaper,lol.
I think they have a stylish look that follows on from the miggy.
What do others think?
I like them a lot, and the 3.5 makes a sound to die for :-* :-*
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i dont know anything about the car in question from the OP (sorry mate ::) ;D) however i used to really want a jag S or X Type until i realised that they are in fact fords. but not a ''posh'' ford but just actual plain fords!!!
S over X everytime but i wouldnt have either of them
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oh and to add whoever mentioned a phaeton..... couldnt agree more.
i walk past one every morning on moulton park and i have a nosie inside. beautiful and looks packed with toys :y no idea how much second hand though?!
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they are same platform as Bentley Cotinental - but as I posted earlier they are heavy, permanent 4 wheel drive vehicles, heavy on fuel around town, expensive to tax but quite cheap to insure and service compared to Audi.
I would go for post 2006 eg http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volkswagen-Phaeton-3-0TDi-5st-auto-2006MY-V6-/250911426509?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a6b7c87cd (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volkswagen-Phaeton-3-0TDi-5st-auto-2006MY-V6-/250911426509?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a6b7c87cd).
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-VOLKSWAGEN-PHAETON-3-0-V6-TDI-5-SEAT-4MOTION-/260876379537?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3cbd71a591 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-VOLKSWAGEN-PHAETON-3-0-V6-TDI-5-SEAT-4MOTION-/260876379537?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3cbd71a591)
If you do not object to 215000 miles on a 2006 then this will go for less than £6k I would think
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I am tempted by the VW Passat CC, especially in the top 3.5 spec. Not now but in a few years when they are cheaper,lol.
I think they have a stylish look that follows on from the miggy.
What do others think?
FIL has one of these (10 reg). loads of toys. nice to drive. nice looking car.
IMO its the cost. You can now get very good migs for at least half the price, (then spend the rest over a period of time keeping it going ;D ;D)
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-VOLKSWAGEN-PHAETON-3-0-V6-TDI-5-SEAT-4MOTION-/260876379537?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3cbd71a591 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-VOLKSWAGEN-PHAETON-3-0-V6-TDI-5-SEAT-4MOTION-/260876379537?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3cbd71a591)
If you do not object to 215000 miles on a 2006 then this will go for less than £6k I would think
:o :o :o :o :o
well, at least youre guaranteed theyre mway miles.
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-VOLKSWAGEN-PHAETON-3-0-V6-TDI-5-SEAT-4MOTION-/260876379537?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3cbd71a591 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-VOLKSWAGEN-PHAETON-3-0-V6-TDI-5-SEAT-4MOTION-/260876379537?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3cbd71a591)
If you do not object to 215000 miles on a 2006 then this will go for less than £6k I would think
:o :o :o :o :o
well, at least youre guaranteed theyre mway miles.
I wouldn't worry about the miles,my 406 hdi has done 190k and drives like new :y
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-VOLKSWAGEN-PHAETON-3-0-V6-TDI-5-SEAT-4MOTION-/260876379537?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3cbd71a591 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-VOLKSWAGEN-PHAETON-3-0-V6-TDI-5-SEAT-4MOTION-/260876379537?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3cbd71a591)
If you do not object to 215000 miles on a 2006 then this will go for less than £6k I would think
:o :o :o :o :o
well, at least youre guaranteed theyre mway miles.
I wouldn't worry about the miles,my 406 hdi has done 190k and drives like new :y
fair play mate. and i spose to be fair theres plenty of migs with millions on the clock :y
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Personally, a 320 diesel E Class Merc estate. Brill! :y
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;) Why not another miggy? Therte are loads of really good ones to be had for decent money, and better the devil you know etc.....;D
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Personally, a 320 diesel E Class Merc estate. Brill! :y
Thats the direction I'm headed to :y
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216000 in 5 years isn't neccessarily motorway miles. I get through 70000+ every year on all sorts of roads. Would have got a Phaeton if I could afford to buy new. I'd only have kept it for 2 years though because I wouldn't trust any VW products to remain reliable out of warranty... :-X
Buy a nice Omega outright and keep it going indefinitely. IF it behaves itself, it will cost you peanuts, if it misbehaves it isn't the end of the world because it won't be costing monthly repayments, and it will never depreciate: even if it loses 20% each year it doesn't matter because 20% of keck all is still keck all. :)
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;) Why not another miggy? Therte are loads of really good ones to be had for decent money, and better the devil you know etc.....;D
Tempted mate - had omegas a few years back as company cars, and must admit enjoyed my current Elite. However getting to the stage where it is a PITA to need to crawl around underneath - had problems recently sealing oil cooler cover plate (advice - make a gasket, works fine). Mine still runs well & only 105K on it. Had Jags before years ago - a proper 60's 3.8S and an early 3.8 E Type - so will probably go for the V6 Jag.
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Other plus point is that Jag forum seems almost as friendly as OOF :) :)
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something like http://www.rodsnsods.co.uk/forum/topic/great-sleeper-45947 looks promising
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The X type (mondeo) and S type from that era are pretty unreliable, and poorly designed. But the S type does have that V8 ::)[/quote]
the s-type isnt a ford or a jag its a lincon floor pan the only reason i no this is because my dad bought a s-type r and had it remaped and a few othe things including exhausts (sounded wkd with the v8) and he wanted to up grade his brakes but no one did an upgrade and he couldnt use any other brakes from any other jag and he eventually found out that it wasnt a jag it was a lincon thats why nothing swoped over :)
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Lincoln are owned by Ford.. ;)
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Lincoln are owned by Ford.. ;)
Indeed. And the early S types were apparently produced before Jag convinced Ford that you cannot sell a car with Lincoln suspension in the UK without getting laughed at. ;)
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Indeed. And the early S types were apparently produced before Jag convinced Ford that you cannot sell a car with Lincoln suspension in the UK without getting laughed at. ;)
Ah, so they come fitted with a ship's wheel, rather than a steering wheel? ;)
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Indeed. And the early S types were apparently produced before Jag convinced Ford that you cannot sell a car with Lincoln suspension in the UK without getting laughed at. ;)
Ah, so they come fitted with a ship's wheel, rather than a steering wheel? ;)
Yep, this is the interior of an early model.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Annunciator.jpg/220px-Annunciator.jpg)
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Indeed. And the early S types were apparently produced before Jag convinced Ford that you cannot sell a car with Lincoln suspension in the UK without getting laughed at. ;)
Ah, so they come fitted with a ship's wheel, rather than a steering wheel? ;)
Yep, this is the interior of an early model.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Annunciator.jpg/220px-Annunciator.jpg)
Lol, very good ;D ;D
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Well I've gone and done the deed tonight - gone and bought a low mileage 2004 Jaguar XJ Series 3.0 auto XJ6 SE with full service records. Still got both the Elite saloon and Estate. I will be selling the saloon in due course - details will be on OOF soon.
Also likely the Estate will come up for sale in the not too distant future.
Will miss the Elites though :(
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I had to go down the 7 seater route otherwise my omega would be staying with the family! BMW diesel engine has been brilliant.
Glad you steered clear of mercedes - very overrated....
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I had to go down the 7 seater route otherwise my omega would be staying with the family! BMW diesel engine has been brilliant.
Glad you steered clear of mercedes - very overrated....
Had an E230 as a company car a few years back - tend to agree with you - it certainly wasn't memorable !!
Had a couple of Jags many years back - both were memorable - a 60s 3.8S saloon and an E-Type with the 3.8 motor - particularly wish I still owned the second one!!
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Thought you would like to see a couple of pics . . . .
(http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee386/dbugit/Jag5a.jpg)
(http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee386/dbugit/Jag6.jpg)
(http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee386/dbugit/Jag2.jpg)
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Very Nice!!! :y :y :y
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Smart!! :y :y :y
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Maybe when I'm a lot older dbug :P ;D
All the best with it :y
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My main concern if I move from the Omega is the space within the drivers area.
As mentioned, jags tend to be a comfortable fit I have had a in what was a new Skoada favrit 3 years ago, but found it to be tight, and my ankles hurt after 20 iles just getting used to the different pedal postions.
Would be interestiong to find out which hads the bigger cabin space between a Chrysler 300c, and Audi A4/6/8, as modt of you know I am not a FWD fan so the next car I do actually fancy a 4WD
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Looks very nice dbug,I like a lot :y :y
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Maybe when I'm a lot older dbug :P ;D
All the best with it :y
Thanks Jaime - must say its pretty quick when I boot it, and so so quiet with loads of toys to play with :y
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Looks very nice dbug,I like a lot :y :y
Thanks mate - by the way how does the Merc Estate compare sizewise to the Omega Estate?
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Thought you would like to see a couple of pics . . . .
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee386/dbugit/Jag5a.jpg
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee386/dbugit/Jag6.jpg
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee386/dbugit/Jag2.jpg
Very nice indeed Db - well done. :-* :-* :y
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Looks very nice dbug,I like a lot :y :y
Thanks mate - by the way how does the Merc Estate compare sizewise to the Omega Estate?
I suppose it would seem a backward step to most people but I was offered twice what I paid for the omega so that had to go and the merc belonged to a mate who was going to scrap it,It was in way too good a condition to let that happen so I bought it for peanuts and am delighted with it.Its very quiet and comfortable,goes like hell for the little 2.2 engine its got and its 5 mpg better than the omega was on fuel knocking around here locally and it just feels like it will run forever !,size wise there's not much in it,maybe a little narrower but about the same length :y
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Looks very nice dbug,I like a lot :y :y
Thanks mate - by the way how does the Merc Estate compare sizewise to the Omega Estate?
I suppose it would seem a backward step to most people but I was offered twice what I paid for the omega so that had to go and the merc belonged to a mate who was going to scrap it,It was in way too good a condition to let that happen so I bought it for peanuts and am delighted with it.Its very quiet and comfortable,goes like hell for the little 2.2 engine its got and its 5 mpg better than the omega was on fuel knocking around here locally and it just feels like it will run forever !,size wise there's not much in it,maybe a little narrower but about the same length :y
Not from where i'm sat mate :y It seems to me you've got the best of all possible outcomes there, the most important being...you're happy! :y
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Looks very nice dbug,I like a lot :y :y
Thanks mate - by the way how does the Merc Estate compare sizewise to the Omega Estate?
I suppose it would seem a backward step to most people but I was offered twice what I paid for the omega so that had to go and the merc belonged to a mate who was going to scrap it,It was in way too good a condition to let that happen so I bought it for peanuts and am delighted with it.Its very quiet and comfortable,goes like hell for the little 2.2 engine its got and its 5 mpg better than the omega was on fuel knocking around here locally and it just feels like it will run forever !,size wise there's not much in it,maybe a little narrower but about the same length :y
Thanx for that - we need the space for cages for the 9 dogs my partner races.
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Looks very nice dbug,I like a lot :y :y
Thanks mate - by the way how does the Merc Estate compare sizewise to the Omega Estate?
I suppose it would seem a backward step to most people but I was offered twice what I paid for the omega so that had to go and the merc belonged to a mate who was going to scrap it,It was in way too good a condition to let that happen so I bought it for peanuts and am delighted with it.Its very quiet and comfortable,goes like hell for the little 2.2 engine its got and its 5 mpg better than the omega was on fuel knocking around here locally and it just feels like it will run forever !,size wise there's not much in it,maybe a little narrower but about the same length :y
Thanx for that - we need the space for cages for the 9 dogs my partner races.
I would say that the load bay is slightly bigger than the omega's but its difficult to tell without them side by side,lets be honest though,they're both huge :y
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very nice car you have there fella :y always fancied a 4L supercharged xjr myself....one of these days!