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Title: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: aaronjb on 09 February 2012, 22:50:00
It's nearly 11pm and their lines close soon, so I don't fancy sitting in a big hold queue just yet.. and their documentation has left me none the wiser, so, since I think a few of you have these policies?

I have 13yrs NCB on the MR2 and 2yrs NCB (in April) on the Omega - the MR2 being up for renewal on the 17th. I know from experience last year that the insurance on the Omega was eye watering, so although Adrian Flux have managed to quote me £285 on the MR2, I'm tempted by Admiral as they're showing ~£300 on the MR2 and £400 on the Omega (£300 less than it was last year!).

What I'm wondering is .. a year down the line when both cars are up for renewal, do I have 14yrs on the MR2 and 3yrs on the Omega, or 14yrs on both?

All their policy documentation assumes you'll have Driver A with Car A and Driver B with Car B, not Driver A with Cars A & B and different NCB on both.. ::)
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: dan-eboy on 09 February 2012, 22:59:35
I thought you could of used your 14 years NCB from the MR2 for the omega? when you originally insured it. I think youll find it's down as you having 14 years NCB and the 3yrs is irrelevant really.  I could be wrong, these insurers do like to make things complicated!

Did you also know if you haven't been insured for 2 years (i think) you lose all your NCB?  That's crap as i found out!
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: aaronjb on 09 February 2012, 23:02:01
I thought you could of used your 14 years NCB from the MR2 for the omega? when you originally insured it. I think youll find it's down as you having 14 years NCB and the 3yrs is irrelevant really.  I could be wrong, these insurers do like to make things complicated!

Nope because the NCB can only exist on one policy at a time (which is idiotic since surely it's me they're insuring regardless!) - when I insured the Omega originally Flux gave me an 'introductory discount' equivalent to mirroring 'part' of the NCB from the other policy, but at the end of the year I still only had 1yrs NCB showing on that policy.

When you fill out the Admiral forms they specifically ask what NCB is on each cars renewal document - I just don't know if at the end of the year they amalgamate them to be the same as the highest number IYSWIM, or keep them separate..
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: Lazydocker on 09 February 2012, 23:09:44
They keep them seperate.
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: pscocoa on 09 February 2012, 23:12:55
they are after who is the main driver on each car for risk assessment purposes and of course annual mileage. On mine Omega is £185 (4000 miles pa) and Phaeton £300 (10000 miles pa)  with me as main driver. Signum is £350 with Mrs as main driver but has 3 other drivers and does more miles - 15000 I think.
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: Vamps on 09 February 2012, 23:13:23
They keep them seperate.

Correct.... :(
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: aaronjb on 09 February 2012, 23:19:39
They keep them seperate.

Darn.. I was really quietly hoping both cars would end up with 14yrs NCB (after all, I haven't made a claim and it's the same 'me' on both cars.. ;D) :(

Ta for the info, all of you :)
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: Vamps on 09 February 2012, 23:23:42
They keep them seperate.

Darn.. I was really quietly hoping both cars would end up with 14yrs NCB (after all, I haven't made a claim and it's the same 'me' on both cars.. ;D) :(

Ta for the info, all of you :)

I understand your problem, was looking at a second car scenario and had to get quotes with no NCB, I think if we have full NCB on one car then it should be for all............some insurance companies will give a discount but need to speak with companies, can't do that sort of negotiation on the compare sites.....
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: aaronjb on 09 February 2012, 23:29:16
Indeed - originally Flux uttered the words "we'll mirror your NCB" when I first took out the second insurance policy. Sadly, foolish me assumed that meant it would read "13 years" at renewal time last year. But no, what they meant was they'd mirror the discount my NCB applied, but not the NCB itself .. if you see what I mean.

[edit] If I had more cars I'd go with TradeX, but for two cars it's not worth it.. and when I do finally have three, one of them will be a kit car that I'll want agreed value on :)
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: Lazydocker on 09 February 2012, 23:34:36
I found Tradex uncompetitive, even for 3 cars ???

Not such a worry now as running a full trade policy covering all vehicles and both of us plus another driver... Cost me about £1700 though :o Unfortunately there is only one underwriter willing to insure the van due to what it carries ::)
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: aaronjb on 09 February 2012, 23:36:54
They were pretty good for me when I asked for a quote on the MR2 (heavily modified at the time), Omega and 300ZX - £1250 IIRC, which was about what I paid for the MR2 and Omega alone last year.

This year with the mods off the MR2 and no 300ZX they'd be uncompetitive, unless I added a third car.. Hm.. no.. must resist.
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: albitz on 09 February 2012, 23:38:37
I found Tradex uncompetitive, even for 3 cars ???

Not such a worry now as running a full trade policy covering all vehicles and both of us plus another driver... Cost me about £1700 though :o Unfortunately there is only one underwriter willing to insure the van due to what it carries ::)

The nut behind the wheel ? :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: Lazydocker on 09 February 2012, 23:47:03
I found Tradex uncompetitive, even for 3 cars ???

Not such a worry now as running a full trade policy covering all vehicles and both of us plus another driver... Cost me about £1700 though :o Unfortunately there is only one underwriter willing to insure the van due to what it carries ::)

The nut behind the wheel ? :D ;D ;D
Indeed :D :D

Got to admit, really miss the Omega at the moment :'(

Still have thoughts about selling it occasionally but can't bring myself to part with it as all it costs me is tax ::) And of course fuel when I finally get to drive it ;D
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: aaronjb on 09 February 2012, 23:48:06
Still have thoughts about selling it occasionally but can't bring myself to part with it as all it costs me is tax ::) And of course fuel when I finally get to drive it ;D

I felt that way about the Nissan for the longest time.. however.. it sold tonight for £899, assuming the buyer doesn't mess me around.  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: Lazydocker on 10 February 2012, 00:00:51
Still have thoughts about selling it occasionally but can't bring myself to part with it as all it costs me is tax ::) And of course fuel when I finally get to drive it ;D

I felt that way about the Nissan for the longest time.. however.. it sold tonight for £899, assuming the buyer doesn't mess me around.  :'( :'( :'(
TBH, I wouldn't even consider letting it go for less than £4500 which, as we all know, is strong money for any Omega, even a LPG'd 3.2 with all the options and low mileage ;) And I'd still be taking a loss, although not too big
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: Vamps on 10 February 2012, 00:16:16
Still have thoughts about selling it occasionally but can't bring myself to part with it as all it costs me is tax ::) And of course fuel when I finally get to drive it ;D

I felt that way about the Nissan for the longest time.. however.. it sold tonight for £899, assuming the buyer doesn't mess me around.  :'( :'( :'(
TBH, I wouldn't even consider letting it go for less than £4500 which, as we all know, is strong money for any Omega, even a LPG'd 3.2 with all the options and low mileage ;) And I'd still be taking a loss, although not too big

Thats Roger Budden prices.... ??? ??? a site I was viewing yesturday as they have a nice Omega estate, but top money.....but you get what you pay for..... :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: TheBoy on 10 February 2012, 08:38:41
*cough*

As part of the negotiation with any insurance co, phone the sales lines, and don't take out the policy unless they agree to give full (5yr) NCD on the 2nd policy. Then next year, you are free to move anywhere, as you have the NCD proof ::)


For those thinking your entitlement to NCD is purely on yourself individually, its actually individually per vehicle.  So I have seperate NCD for all 3 of mine - 20+ yrs for the Elite, 9+ for the MV6 and 12+ for the Kawasaki.  I switched the NCDs over on the 2 Omegas this year, as it worked out cheaper, as the premium for the Elite had risen significantly.
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: aaronjb on 10 February 2012, 08:57:01
*cough*

As part of the negotiation with any insurance co, phone the sales lines, and don't take out the policy unless they agree to give full (5yr) NCD on the 2nd policy. Then next year, you are free to move anywhere, as you have the NCD proof ::)


For those thinking your entitlement to NCD is purely on yourself individually, its actually individually per vehicle.  So I have seperate NCD for all 3 of mine - 20+ yrs for the Elite, 9+ for the MV6 and 12+ for the Kawasaki.  I switched the NCDs over on the 2 Omegas this year, as it worked out cheaper, as the premium for the Elite had risen significantly.

Sadly, that's what I assumed the bloke meant when he said "We'll mirror your NCD for you".. but, one year on, it evidently was not ;) Now I'm 2/3rds of the way through accruing 'max' NCB anyway, I may as well continue..

Having said that, Flux's customer care so far has been pretty good - NCD aside - when I called with the price I'd had from Admiral they couldn't get near it (£120 more) but said they'd check around and call back. I didn't expect a call back at all, but I got one, and one matching the Admiral price, too.

Still tempted to go with Admiral, but I have that twinge of "better the devil you know"...


P.S. LD, did you miss a decimal place out in there?  :P ;)
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: Lazydocker on 10 February 2012, 09:30:33
Still have thoughts about selling it occasionally but can't bring myself to part with it as all it costs me is tax ::) And of course fuel when I finally get to drive it ;D

I felt that way about the Nissan for the longest time.. however.. it sold tonight for £899, assuming the buyer doesn't mess me around.  :'( :'( :'(
TBH, I wouldn't even consider letting it go for less than £4500 which, as we all know, is strong money for any Omega, even a LPG'd 3.2 with all the options and low mileage ;) And I'd still be taking a loss, although not too big

Thats Roger Budden prices.... ??? ??? a site I was viewing yesturday as they have a nice Omega estate, but top money.....but you get what you pay for..... :-\ :-\ :-\
Agreed, hence why it stays ;) If he can get that price for his cars I could get it for mine... It's in Roger Budden condition ;)
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: Lazydocker on 10 February 2012, 09:32:35
P.S. LD, did you miss a decimal place out in there?  :P ;)
Nope ;D ;D That's why it isn't for sale ;)

This site makes me chuckle sometimes. When I advertised my saloon at what I considered to be quite strong money I was told it was too cheap ::) I got full asking through Auto Trader, which was higher than I asked on here, though :y :y
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: aaronjb on 10 February 2012, 09:36:03
We all want something for nothing, LD ;)

I must have advertised the Nissan too cheaply too - as it sold within 20 minutes of listing the auction at the BIN price! Either that or the buyer has no intention of paying, of course.. ;D
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: Lazydocker on 10 February 2012, 09:59:07
We all want something for nothing, LD ;)

I must have advertised the Nissan too cheaply too - as it sold within 20 minutes of listing the auction at the BIN price! Either that or the buyer has no intention of paying, of course.. ;D
I bought it at fairly high money and have spent a lot on it, hence why I wouldn't part with it ;)

TBH, I think the main reason I/we have put such a high price tag on it is because neither of us want to part with it :-X ::) ;D
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: aaronjb on 10 February 2012, 10:01:05
Ditto with my 3.2 - I think I paid £3200 for it. If I sold now, I imagine I'd be lucky to see £1500.. so here it stays, unless an immaculate, rust free, low miles 2.2DTi manual Elite estate turns up for peanuts, of course. Then I could be tempted..

[edit] I just checked - I paid £4000 for it. I wish I hadn't looked, now!
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: TheBoy on 10 February 2012, 10:03:14
I'm the same with TBE. Its price is too high, so nobody will buy it, but its (normally, not currently for obvious reasons) always for sale if someone offers the right money.

Silver Bullet, though, like the Rover, RIP, is never for sale.
Title: Re: Anyone know how NCB works on Admiral Multi-Car
Post by: Lazydocker on 10 February 2012, 10:19:02
I'm the same with TBE. Its price is too high, so nobody will buy it, but its (normally, not currently for obvious reasons) always for sale if someone offers the right money.

Silver Bullet, though, like the Rover, RIP, is never for sale.
Yep... If someone seriously offered me the right money I'd part with mine, but I'm not advertising it and not really keen on selling it ::)