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[theowletman]

That's great! They'll have to pretty much rubber stamp the refund applications. (How do you prove how much diesel a farmer needs anyway?) Then the stuff is not traceable so any excess will go straight into road vehicles with no prospect of tracing it.

Still, it'll no doubt keep a thousand breakless civil servants in work and provide an excuse for another public sector IT debacle to cripple the farming community by denying them what's due.
2 BREAKDOWNS IN THE VOSA COMPUTER MOT SYSTEM THIS WEEK, ALL DAY TUESDAY WAS THE WORST, CANCELLED TESTS, CUSTOMERS HAVING TO RETURN TO COLLECT CERTIFICATES. ANY CHANCE OF COMPENSATION FOR THE LOST WORK ? DO NOT BE SILLY.


Kevin
 

[Kevin Wood]

That's great! They'll have to pretty much rubber stamp the refund applications. (How do you prove how much diesel a farmer needs anyway?) Then the stuff is not traceable so any excess will go straight into road vehicles with no prospect of tracing it.

Still, it'll no doubt keep a thousand breakless civil servants in work and provide an excuse for another public sector IT debacle to cripple the farming community by denying them what's due.
2 BREAKDOWNS IN THE VOSA COMPUTER MOT SYSTEM THIS WEEK, ALL DAY TUESDAY WAS THE WORST, CANCELLED TESTS, CUSTOMERS HAVING TO RETURN TO COLLECT CERTIFICATES. ANY CHANCE OF COMPENSATION FOR THE LOST WORK ? DO NOT BE SILLY.


Kevin
 

Is this still going on? I had this trying to get a ticket on the Westfield the first year they computerised. Took 3 attempts on consecutive days to get it tested. Bloke at the garage was spitting feathers.

Then again, so was I when I finally got a test and found I had overlooked a split rack gaiter!

Kevin

[FRE07962128]

Network rail still uses the clas 37's although there are loads in Toton yard at the moment for disposal.

The Class 37 is actually pretty light (about 100tons but, not that powerful though) so can pull freight loads along some of the lighter duty lines (i.e. scotland and some of the goods branches) where a 60 or 66 would be to heavy.

In fact, they were re-building some at Barrow Hill for scottish use very recently.

Local to me they have, 3 class 20's, 1 class 25, 1 class 37, 2 calls 47's and 1 class 56 most of which are fully operational![/quote]

Thanks Mark for that info!  I am very surprised that there are any   Class 20's and 25's still knocking about away from preservation societies.  Good news though!

[FRE07962128]

Had an interesting letter from 'Her Majesty`s Revenue'; it would appear that from November the 1st.; Red Diesel will not longer be available.
Legitimate cherry users (Farm, Plant-Equipment, Generators, Boaters/Bargees) will have to buy full price DERV and prove 'appropriate' commercial-only use to be able to claim back the dutiable portion of the cost as a HMC&E rebate.
Easy to prove for a registered company; well-nigh impossible for a boater, smallholder or home plant/generator user!

Needless U.K government/EU tinkering yet again....

I know who that will hit - railway preservation societies - how much is 1000 gallons?

Yes true, but only those that use those peckey diesels!!  
Steam forever I say, and bring them back to the main line for standard timetable running!

Imagine what the greenies would do then?  

Kettles

Want to see smoke see this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mX_XwDAV4

BTW my favourite two Diesel classes are better than any kettle

Thanks for that!  Got to hand it to you Martin that is really good!  Is that a 'Peak' / Class 45 at the head of that train?  Whatever lovely sight and sound and, joking aside, I actually DO love many diesel classes; it's the sound of them I love!    

The fireman needs sacking though as he should adopt the rule "little and often" when shoveling the coal in, to avoid all that black smoke, and always place it in to the back corners of the firebox as well!  Sorry; just remembered it's a diesel; the 'fireman' cannot control things like that on one of those can he!!


PS I still see regulary around Ashford two immaculate class 37's usually on Dungerness nuclear waste disposal trains, but ocassionally on enthusiat "specials".  Lovely sight and sound again!
 

It's a 37
The EE engines do sound nicer than Sulzers. And the charge cooled ones better than the non charge cooled.

The original traction versions from the mid 30s are the direct ancestors.

C Charge Cooled
S Turbo
K Straight
C C
T Traction

6KT shunter engine - 350bhp
Turbo intercooled 4 was 600bhp
Turbo V8 1000bhp
Turbo V16 started at 1600 (LMS 10000) then 1750 (SR 10201) finally 2000 (SR 10203 & Class 40s) added charge cooling 2700bhp, last used in the class 56 at 3250bhp

Well there you go Martin, I am a steam girl after all!

I am surprised you haven't mentioned the Deltics;  now to me they are the best of the diesels!  Got any good clips of those just to remind everyone what they are like and what the fuel fiasco (after all THE point of this thread!) could threaten.

[FRE07962128]

I remember the Watercress Line was used to train up crews on the new rolling stock for the main line when I first moved to Alton. Lack of electrification was coped with my inserting an old diesel electric loco in the middle of the train as a generator. I could hear that from my then home (1 mile away from the line). It was a bizarre sight seeing a train of brand new Siemens rolling stock with a smoky old diesel in the middle (it was smoky, too!).

Kevin

I wonder how they connected the gene-loco up to the traction-unit; through the ETH cable perhaps?

I love BIG diesels, my friend has a preserved Class 40 and also (my favourite) a Brush-Sulzer 47.......the latter; I`ve had the pleasure many times to drive.  From a standing start (W.O.T) to a very scary 'flat out' 95 MPH (many years ago when such things were possible on B.R).

I have since 'passed-out' on the 47: `have my driving permit c/w MGR, steam heat and ETH endorsements......Ahhhhh, Happy days!:y

Great Debs, another railway girl!!  You are one of many parts!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

[Martin_1962]

Had an interesting letter from 'Her Majesty`s Revenue'; it would appear that from November the 1st.; Red Diesel will not longer be available.
Legitimate cherry users (Farm, Plant-Equipment, Generators, Boaters/Bargees) will have to buy full price DERV and prove 'appropriate' commercial-only use to be able to claim back the dutiable portion of the cost as a HMC&E rebate.
Easy to prove for a registered company; well-nigh impossible for a boater, smallholder or home plant/generator user!

Needless U.K government/EU tinkering yet again....

I know who that will hit - railway preservation societies - how much is 1000 gallons?

Yes true, but only those that use those peckey diesels!!  
Steam forever I say, and bring them back to the main line for standard timetable running!

Imagine what the greenies would do then?  

Kettles

Want to see smoke see this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mX_XwDAV4

BTW my favourite two Diesel classes are better than any kettle

Thanks for that!  Got to hand it to you Martin that is really good!  Is that a 'Peak' / Class 45 at the head of that train?  Whatever lovely sight and sound and, joking aside, I actually DO love many diesel classes; it's the sound of them I love!    

The fireman needs sacking though as he should adopt the rule "little and often" when shoveling the coal in, to avoid all that black smoke, and always place it in to the back corners of the firebox as well!  Sorry; just remembered it's a diesel; the 'fireman' cannot control things like that on one of those can he!!


PS I still see regulary around Ashford two immaculate class 37's usually on Dungerness nuclear waste disposal trains, but ocassionally on enthusiat "specials".  Lovely sight and sound again!
 

It's a 37
The EE engines do sound nicer than Sulzers. And the charge cooled ones better than the non charge cooled.

The original traction versions from the mid 30s are the direct ancestors.

C Charge Cooled
S Turbo
K Straight
C C
T Traction

6KT shunter engine - 350bhp
Turbo intercooled 4 was 600bhp
Turbo V8 1000bhp
Turbo V16 started at 1600 (LMS 10000) then 1750 (SR 10201) finally 2000 (SR 10203 & Class 40s) added charge cooling 2700bhp, last used in the class 56 at 3250bhp

Well there you go Martin, I am a steam girl after all!

I am surprised you haven't mentioned the Deltics;  now to me they are the best of the diesels!  Got any good clips of those just to remind everyone what they are like and what the fuel fiasco (after all THE point of this thread!) could threaten.

I have mentioned them - but they are not part of the standard engine family, and I do like them

[Martin_1962]

Deltics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdVtyEQKDrI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94XNRkpr2k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURlkP17GsA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbSm3eYoJB8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF_69KD2CCM

[Martin_1962]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP96__VpwSM

[FRE07962128]

Deltics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdVtyEQKDrI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94XNRkpr2k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURlkP17GsA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbSm3eYoJB8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF_69KD2CCM

Thanks Martin, they were great, and yes I noticed one Deltic had a Class 50 'Defiant' behind it!  Bloody marvelous!