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[BigAl]

hey everyone this is not about the nanny state.
its about protecting children.
yes most abuse is familiar. that is people who are known by the child or its family.
people who abuse children come in all shapes sizes, classes,proffessions. they do not all wear long macs.
if you have a crb then it has a unique number and can be used for numerous purposes.
what the new changes are about is bringing all the information held by different agencies together, from the soham enquiry.
list 99, schedual 1 list etc along with intelligence.
yes its sad that in our society this is neccessary but about 1 million kids have been abused and this includes by vicars scout masters,police judges etc

Would the soham deaths been stopped by this big brother approach?


NO - Huntley, would not have been vetted as his girlfriend was the link to the two girls

This stupid requirement was a reflex action to soham, and is a sinister progression of labour's monitoring of people.
If a complaint has been made about you, even if proved to be totally unfounded the report will still brand you as an "undesirable"

[hotel21]

hey everyone this is not about the nanny state.
its about protecting children.
yes most abuse is familiar. that is people who are known by the child or its family.
people who abuse children come in all shapes sizes, classes,proffessions. they do not all wear long macs.
if you have a crb then it has a unique number and can be used for numerous purposes.
what the new changes are about is bringing all the information held by different agencies together, from the soham enquiry.
list 99, schedual 1 list etc along with intelligence.
yes its sad that in our society this is neccessary but about 1 million kids have been abused and this includes by vicars scout masters,police judges etc

Would the soham deaths been stopped by this big brother approach?


NO - Huntley, would not have been vetted as his girlfriend was the link to the two girls

This stupid requirement was a reflex action to soham, and is a sinister progression of labour's monitoring of people.
If a complaint has been made about you, even if proved to be totally unfounded the report will still brand you as an "undesirable"

In essence, no different to the banning of handguns after the Dunblane incident.  The chap who was the baddy held the handguns legally....

[BigAl]

hey everyone this is not about the nanny state.
its about protecting children.
yes most abuse is familiar. that is people who are known by the child or its family.
people who abuse children come in all shapes sizes, classes,proffessions. they do not all wear long macs.
if you have a crb then it has a unique number and can be used for numerous purposes.
what the new changes are about is bringing all the information held by different agencies together, from the soham enquiry.
list 99, schedual 1 list etc along with intelligence.
yes its sad that in our society this is neccessary but about 1 million kids have been abused and this includes by vicars scout masters,police judges etc

Would the soham deaths been stopped by this big brother approach?


NO - Huntley, would not have been vetted as his girlfriend was the link to the two girls

This stupid requirement was a reflex action to soham, and is a sinister progression of labour's monitoring of people.
If a complaint has been made about you, even if proved to be totally unfounded the report will still brand you as an "undesirable"

In essence, no different to the banning of handguns after the Dunblane incident.  The chap who was the baddy held the handguns legally....

sorry, you've lost me - if both laws had been applied a year before the relevant incidents :-
the bloke with the guns would have then illegally held guns,
 but nothing would have happened to Huntley

[hotel21]

hey everyone this is not about the nanny state.
its about protecting children.
yes most abuse is familiar. that is people who are known by the child or its family.
people who abuse children come in all shapes sizes, classes,proffessions. they do not all wear long macs.
if you have a crb then it has a unique number and can be used for numerous purposes.
what the new changes are about is bringing all the information held by different agencies together, from the soham enquiry.
list 99, schedual 1 list etc along with intelligence.
yes its sad that in our society this is neccessary but about 1 million kids have been abused and this includes by vicars scout masters,police judges etc

Would the soham deaths been stopped by this big brother approach?


NO - Huntley, would not have been vetted as his girlfriend was the link to the two girls

This stupid requirement was a reflex action to soham, and is a sinister progression of labour's monitoring of people.
If a complaint has been made about you, even if proved to be totally unfounded the report will still brand you as an "undesirable"

In essence, no different to the banning of handguns after the Dunblane incident.  The chap who was the baddy held the handguns legally....

sorry, you've lost me - if both laws had been applied a year before the relevant incidents :-
the bloke with the guns would have then illegally held guns,
 but nothing would have happened to Huntley

Its the stable door after the horse has bolted analogy.

After the horse has made its bid for freedom across the far horizon do you think about fitting a bolt to the door to stop it....

If the horse is happy to look out the open door and stay in place - well, thats quite another thing entirely....