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[Nickbat]

Parents who regularly drive children for sports or social clubs will have to undergo criminal record checks or face fines of up to £5,000 under new rules.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8249020.stm

Nanny state rears her ugly face again 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Yes, and I already have CRB checks from helping with the scout group and volunteering at the heritage centre......and now I will need another one!

[Welung666]

Me too, but I'm already cleared at work

[Jimbob]

Me too, but I'm already cleared at work

Dont count on it....CRB's are not carried between roles 

you need separate ones for each thing you do, its rediculous!

[Ratty]

If it stops even one child from being harmed, molested or worse then it has to be a good call.

[Welung666]

Me too, but I'm already cleared at work

Dont count on it....CRB's are not carried between roles 

you need separate ones for each thing you do, its rediculous!

It's all at one place, connected to my one job so mine is ok as is

[Welung666]

If it stops even one child from being harmed, molested or worse then it has to be a good call.

I agree wholeheartedly, it's the £50 each time that gets to me.

[Marks DTM Calib]

If it stops even one child from being harmed, molested or worse then it has to be a good call.

It wont, all it will do is result in volunteer based setups going to the wall and kids having even less to do. Plus, it will cost you and me yet more money for yet another quango.

Lets be quite realistic here, if you wanted to harm a child, then you wouldn't register. You would already be running the risk of a long term jail sentance so a few gran fine is neither here nor there!

Plus, hows it gonna be policed!

Pathetic, whoever has put this in place needs deporting to the moon....or even better, put on the plinth in Trafalgar square for a good old fashioned public stoning!

[Ratty]

I see your point and respect it, but I also stick by what I said, even if just one child was kept safe because of this...

[tmx]

ive had to have an Enhanced CRB and the local police have put everything on there.... S59A Anti Social use of a vehicle order and failing to stop for a police patrol they put all this under the Other information heading!

still my employer still employed me

[Kevin Wood]

We often do Radio club events with scouts, guides, etc. several of us have already had to pull out of a couple of events due to CRB checks required.

I'm sorry, but whilst I'm happy to give my time to entertain other people's kids I'm not prepared to pay for the privilege. It'd be different if I had kids who would benefit themselves, I'm sure, but as it stands there are plenty of other things I can do with my time.

My Mum used to run a Cub pack until recently and it was virtually impossible to get any volunteers to help her. Parents saw it as a free child minding service while they went shopping, out for a meal, etc. This is only going to make matters worse. 

As usual, the innocent have to jump through hoops thanks to a couple of bad eggs.

Kevin

[Ghost]

I need a CRB for the coastguard, to rescue the stupid little sods from cliffs and so on,
If you ask me its just another way to make money at the cost of children

[Nickbat]

If it stops even one child from being harmed, molested or worse then it has to be a good call.

It wont, all it will do is result in volunteer based setups going to the wall and kids having even less to do. Plus, it will cost you and me yet more money for yet another quango.

Lets be quite realistic here, if you wanted to harm a child, then you wouldn't register. You would already be running the risk of a long term jail sentance so a few gran fine is neither here nor there!

Plus, hows it gonna be policed!

Pathetic, whoever has put this in place needs deporting to the moon....or even better, put on the plinth in Trafalgar square for a good old fashioned public stoning!

Yes, Marks' right. And of course, it's highly illogical.

A CRB check does NOT confer any degree of safety with regard to a child's welfare. All it does is to check whether a person has had a previous conviction. As a parent I would be more concerned about those who have not been caught, or those have yet to offend. Close tabs are kept on those who have been convicted, have served their sentence and are currently back in society.

Given that the number of persons who have been convicted of child molestation in the UK is, I think (I have been unable to find the data) statistically small by comaprison to other offence categories, it would be much cheaper for each police force to employ Child Protection Officers whose job it would be to keep an ongoing check on the employment of those with convictions.

Then again, it wouldn't provide £60+ (times millions) of income for the government. It's all smoke and mirrors. It doesn't do much to enhance child safety, but it does reduce the number of opportunities for kids to go on organised activities. A possible consequence is that some of those kids who are denied the activities because of the red tape, may instead resort to roaming the streets unsupervised... in danger of being picked up by molesters, I suppose. 

Doesn't make an ounce of sense to me.

[Andy B]

....... from helping with the scout group and volunteering at the heritage centre...... ......

I don't know how you find the time .......work, here, playing trains & scouts too?     

[JesterRT]

I thought CRB checks were due to be combined so you only had to be cleared once - or is that wishful thinking and a long, long way off?

They're presumably only actually any use at the moment of print anyway?

Cue the demise of voluntary clubs around the country.  The people I feel sorry for are the kids who will miss out on all the things that no doubt you and me were exposed to as we grew up.  I made countless canoe trips with a local canoe club (some of them overnight on deserted islands up in Scottish lochs, or off the west coast).  The sheer expense and paperwork to do something like that now makes it almost prohibitive - CRB's, qualifications for the instructors (who cares they've got 20 years experience and plainly know exactly what they're doing), risk assessments (yes you'd have to visit the island personally as an organiser to make sure it was safe to camp there), etc etc

It's all a bit sad really...