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Poorly 2.5TD
« on: 28 February 2012, 20:43:38 »

Just on the phone to SWMBO and she is telling me of a problem!
The old problem with the leak off pipes reared its ugly head again.
That was sorted with new rubber (again) then she was driving from Dundee
back to Arbroath when it cut out completely, admittedly it was below the
magic 20l mark on the gauge. Got her started again and went to fill up,
wouldn't start again... did eventually, she got back to Letham, parked
up, went to start again about 30 mins later and again failed to start first time
SWMBO is very good at waiting for the glow plug light to extinguish before so it's not that
(as far as I'm aware) so I was thinking....air in the fuel system? Somehow?

As I (as usual) am thousands of miles away and SWMBO is not going to be able to understand the paperclip
test for fault codes, I have suggested to leave it overnight. Go back in the morning, see if she starts then slowly
bring the revs up, SWMBO was saying there is a reluctance to go over 2500 rpm???? So I told her to take the revs up to
4000 and hold it there for a while see if there is anything like a misfire or anything else strange.

Don't suppose there are any OOFers in the area that might be able to help, if not then it will be off to the local garage
to see what, if any, faults there are showing.

Always happens when I'm away, bloody typical.

Oh and it's Letham by Forfar if anyone can possibly help out.

Cheers

Jon

PS, it's no good suggesting any fault finding.... SWMBO loves driving the car...... but that's it!
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Re: Poorly 2.5TD
« Reply #1 on: 29 February 2012, 08:21:32 »

Damm pitty it wasn't Letham falkirk as im 5 mins away.
I know there's a diesel specialist just down the road from you in Glenrothes.
Try sending a pm to Hotel21 he's in that neck of the woods with a tech2
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Re: Poorly 2.5TD
« Reply #2 on: 01 March 2012, 14:52:31 »

Well it seems it was the pick up pump problem but in the course of the investigation an oil leak has been discovered >:(

I did get in touch with H21 and hopefully I will be able to make it down to the Kingdom, next time I'm over there to have a diagnostic done.
I just told SWBO to check the oil every day rather than once a week and keep the tank filled until I can do the clean out thats needed.

Fingers crossed everything will remain good for SWMBO while she's over visiting the granddaughter.

Jon
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Re: Poorly 2.5TD
« Reply #3 on: 01 March 2012, 22:06:54 »

There is now a new problem.

Local garage has diagnosed the need for a fuel filter (OK I kinda thought that) but there is now an oil leak, at the moment has not been fully checked out but they seem to think it may be some thing to do with the turbo. When they fit the filter they will have it up on ramps to see exactly where the leak is coming from.
Now I always though that anything to do with the turbo was going to be expensive.... any diesel experts on here that could give me advice please.

I'm expecting the garage to email me before they do anything other than fit the fuel filter so that I can make an informed decision. I would like some advice though if possible.
Again this is happening while I am not there which is really frustrating. I know I could do the fuel filter myself and probably fix the oil leak as well, but....
I still need to do the fuel lift pump in the tank job but I am going to get SWMBO to get some diesel magic and get the garage to fill the filter with it.

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Re: Poorly 2.5TD
« Reply #4 on: 02 March 2012, 11:23:12 »

 >:( >:(
Even worse now, just got a phone call from SWMBO, the car is now 'leaking from the injector that goes to the sensor'

Bless her, she's all worried that she has done this... I think what the garage is saying to her is there is a leak from the injector that supplies the ECU with the fuelling signal, is that correct.

I'm not that good on diesels so I have no idea, only basics, I thought the ECU took the info from the injector pump.

Are injectors expensive (when bought through a garage) or not too bad price wise? Where would be the best place to get one? Is it worth getting a secondhand one? It's still driveable but there is fuel spurting out, it's definately not the leak off pipe on this one.

Anyone got any advice please?
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Re: Poorly 2.5TD
« Reply #5 on: 02 March 2012, 12:11:22 »

That's the number 4 injector, which incorporates the 'start of injection' sensor.

I shelled-out over 200 quid for a service-exchange one nearly three years back >:(
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Re: Poorly 2.5TD
« Reply #6 on: 02 March 2012, 12:55:46 »

Right, that's the sort of info I'm after, cheers :y
Would that #4 injector be any different to any of the other 5 or are they all the same and it's just the connection that is special?
Service exchange would be a re-conditioned jobby then, with a warranty I would imagine.
I'll have a look and see how much new.
I don't suppose anyone could point me in the right direction for injector suppliers could they?

Cheers

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Re: Poorly 2.5TD
« Reply #7 on: 02 March 2012, 21:49:06 »

Hers a link to give you an idea of what the injectors is like.
Picture 4 is the one that your talking about all injectors are the same apart from this one it has a sensor attached (the black block with wire) to the side of it these do spring leaks and they cost about £190ish plus vat but there is a £30 surcharge.
As for the oil around the turbo the only thing around that area is the turbo oil feed pipes.
 http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90623.0

 
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Re: Poorly 2.5TD
« Reply #8 on: 02 March 2012, 22:06:07 »

I have some alarm bells ringing sat here reading this.

There seems to be random observations and faults being diag'd by a garage.

A leaky injector wont cause a fail to start or run on a six cylinder engine.

The codes need reading as a start and some basic checks carrying out like checking (again) leak off pipes etc.
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Re: Poorly 2.5TD
« Reply #9 on: 02 March 2012, 23:00:58 »

That's excellent! TVM Mr. hoofingit
I'm waiting for the garage to get back to me about a price but I have been offered a service exchange on a #4 for 87 quid and thats from Opel through the great man himself Andy Clears, 7 to 10 days lead time though :(

As for the oil leak, still don't know for sure but started off as a small drip and able to soak into the hard pack under the car but has now gone to small puddle when left overnight, so it's definately worsened over a 24 hour period. Could that just be a banjo fitting coming loose or a bit more serious...again, not any definate diagnosis that it is the turbo, that was just a quick look see.

As for the alarm bells ringing, Um, do you have any ideas.
The big problem is I am thousands of miles away and it's only SWMBO who is trying to get this sorted. I think the failing to start was initially down to the lift pump common fault which is on the list to be sorted. The oil leak was spotted as a result of checking under the car for the leak from the leak off pipes.
Those have now been replaced and these do not leak from there however they have spotted a leak from #4 which is different as it was spurting out (of somewhere). The chap that had a look is a mate that I trust.
The car is running fine just now, but it's not safe to drive with the amount of fuel coming out. Matt, the guy from the garage did say to SWMBO "typical it had to be the most expensive injector" so I think he is on my side and not out to rip me off.
So at the moment it is sitting at my sons house and will not be used until we get this sorted out.
The problem is being so far out in the sticks it's difficult to get the codes read. H21 is the closest but I think I would need to get the car to him rather than him come all the way out (up) to the car, bit of a dilemma really....
I don't get to Scotland until the 22nd so I can't do anything until after that, unfortunately.
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Re: Poorly 2.5TD
« Reply #10 on: 03 March 2012, 09:30:57 »

Bootie - is the car a silver 03 plate saloon by any chance?  I passed the road end to Letham (3 miles on, as I recall) yesterday to deliver a car to Vinnybank Farm.  Saw the 03 car opposite a cottage nearby.  If its one and the same, I wouldnt have a problem taking a run up of a weekend.   :y
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Re: Poorly 2.5TD
« Reply #11 on: 03 March 2012, 09:52:22 »

Bootie - is the car a silver 03 plate saloon by any chance?  I passed the road end to Letham (3 miles on, as I recall) yesterday to deliver a car to Vinnybank Farm.  Saw the 03 car opposite a cottage nearby.  If its one and the same, I wouldnt have a problem taking a run up of a weekend.   :y

The 2.5 wheesel was only built until 2000/2001 after that it would be a 2.2 wheesel ;)
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Re: Poorly 2.5TD
« Reply #12 on: 03 March 2012, 09:57:45 »

Bootie - is the car a silver 03 plate saloon by any chance?  I passed the road end to Letham (3 miles on, as I recall) yesterday to deliver a car to Vinnybank Farm.  Saw the 03 car opposite a cottage nearby.  If its one and the same, I wouldnt have a problem taking a run up of a weekend.   :y

The 2.5 wheesel was only built until 2000/2001 after that it would be a 2.2 wheesel ;)

Cheers Pete.  As I said, diesel Omega's are an unknown to me...   ;D   :y
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Re: Poorly 2.5TD
« Reply #13 on: 03 March 2012, 12:26:42 »

Bootie - is the car a silver 03 plate saloon by any chance?  I passed the road end to Letham (3 miles on, as I recall) yesterday to deliver a car to Vinnybank Farm.  Saw the 03 car opposite a cottage nearby.  If its one and the same, I wouldnt have a problem taking a run up of a weekend.   :y

No that's not me, mines that lovely champagne gold colour and it's an Estate. Goddam that was close by but cannot place Vinnybank, I know of it and me sis in law has spoken about the place, I've just never been there....probably driven past it many a time, just never realised.

Need to check emails first to see if I have had a reply from the garage before I start making decisions about anything.

I'll get back to you guys in a bit.
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Re: Poorly 2.5TD
« Reply #14 on: 03 March 2012, 13:14:00 »

So No4 is phiscially leaking, rather than it throwing fault code? If physically leaking, but not from copper seal at bottom, or tapered seal to fuel pipe at top, I think you're out of options.  If it is seal at bottom or taper at top, easily fixed without replacement, but garage would know that.

Oil leak from turbo side, from memory, can only be pipes to turbo or turbo itself (or a hole in the block!)...
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