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[Elite Pete]

Ive never been breathalised in 25 years of driving, you watch, it bet it happens in the next week or two.

[hotel21]

when i was taking my driving test... a mate failed his, for doing 50mph in a 60 zone.

The 60 zone was less that 1/4 mile long, it went from 50 - 60 - 30 zones..

He did 50 though the 50 zone...  stayed at 50 in the 60, and braked to 30..

he failed for driving with too much caution  

Plod & the DVLA all want you to drive exactly on the limit

A gross assumption and wildly wrong....

You should drive at the speed thats safe for the conditions, and your ability, whilst within the limits....

Have to disagree from experiance.

When i was taught to drive, i was told to drive exactly on the limit, at all times, unless it was wet.
People are failed all the time at the DVLA during their test for driving under the speed limit!

I went over a 30 limit twice in my test.....

I was also never taught an emergency stop in the wet.

I used to love doing the emergancy stop, one lesson was in the wet, and i asked if i could do one, was told No! As its never done in the test.

So i replyed, ohh so we never get emergancys in the wet?  

I was told what ever the limit was, stay as close to it as possible!  

Which i did, and passed first time!

You were taught by an idiot then.....

Try doing 30 down a busy High Street on a Saturday afternoon then, when you skittle a handfull of pensioners crossing the road, blame your instructor 'cos you were taught properly...

As I said, drive to the limit by all means, but more importantly, according to the conditions and your ability....

[Vamps]

Ive never been breathalised in 25 years of driving, you watch, it bet it happens in the next week or two.

I had to once, about 10 years ago at 9.00am cos someone ran up the back of me in front of a plaing colthed traffic car.

Q. Health wise I do not think I could do the test now, would the Police officer accept this as a reason for refusal and allow be to offer a blood test. this could be supported by accessing my medical records.

[hotel21]

Ive never been breathalised in 25 years of driving, you watch, it bet it happens in the next week or two.

I had to once, about 10 years ago at 9.00am cos someone ran up the back of me in front of a plaing colthed traffic car.

Q. Health wise I do not think I could do the test now, would the Police officer accept this as a reason for refusal and allow be to offer a blood test. this could be supported by accessing my medical records.

Short answer?  At the roadside, no.  

[bustedomega]

speaking of being breathalised, i used to work as a delivery driver for a kebab shop - regularily driving a beat up old fiesta around in the early hours of the morning.  I was once pulled over three times in a night and breathlised twice!! the copper really was not amused the second time around (now about 2:30am) when i asked him if he wanted to save some of my tax money and i'll use the same tube as was given to me earlier!!

[Vamps]

Ive never been breathalised in 25 years of driving, you watch, it bet it happens in the next week or two.

I had to once, about 10 years ago at 9.00am cos someone ran up the back of me in front of a plaing colthed traffic car.

Q. Health wise I do not think I could do the test now, would the Police officer accept this as a reason for refusal and allow be to offer a blood test. this could be supported by accessing my medical records.

Short answer?  At the roadside, no.  

realise that, what would happen? should I get a letter? often wondered what would happen.

[Andy B]

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Try doing 30 down a busy High Street on a Saturday afternoon then,  ......

A bit of a BLACK vs WHITE example I think there Bruce :-?. The main argument being discussed was about those who stay at 30/35 whether thety were in a 30 or 40 or 60 limit. A bit like the silly bint in the go-faster SLK Merc I was following on Friday night home from work - never even saw 40 despite the Nation Speed limit, & then flashed her lights in disgust at me when I overtook her in the 30 limit  :-? ..... in my TD Astra  :-?  

[hotel21]

Ive never been breathalised in 25 years of driving, you watch, it bet it happens in the next week or two.

I had to once, about 10 years ago at 9.00am cos someone ran up the back of me in front of a plaing colthed traffic car.

Q. Health wise I do not think I could do the test now, would the Police officer accept this as a reason for refusal and allow be to offer a blood test. this could be supported by accessing my medical records.

Short answer?  At the roadside, no.  

realise that, what would happen? should I get a letter? often wondered what would happen.

worst case, arrested for failing to provide a roadside specimen and offerred opportunity to provide two evidential specimens on an approved device at the Office.....

Failing to provide either one of the two is a failure....  Blood would only be an option if sample given is above limit but below a particular preset level when the driver can elect to have breath replaced with blood.

There is no option to provide blood at the roadside.....

[Andy B]

..... regularily driving a beat up old fiesta around in the early hours of the morning.  I was once pulled over three times in a night  .....

Try being about 20 & driving a Mk III Cortina in the early 80's. I could guarantee being stopped at least once each way each week on my journey from/to home  to H21's home town. The record as 3 times in about 2 hours on or near the M6 ...............

[Vamps]

Ive never been breathalised in 25 years of driving, you watch, it bet it happens in the next week or two.

I had to once, about 10 years ago at 9.00am cos someone ran up the back of me in front of a plaing colthed traffic car.

Q. Health wise I do not think I could do the test now, would the Police officer accept this as a reason for refusal and allow be to offer a blood test. this could be supported by accessing my medical records.

Short answer?  At the roadside, no.  

realise that, what would happen? should I get a letter? often wondered what would happen.

worst case, arrested for failing to provide a roadside specimen and offerred opportunity to provide two evidential specimens on an approved device at the Office.....

Failing to provide either one of the two is a failure....  Blood would only be an option if sample given is above limit but below a particular preset level when the driver can elect to have breath replaced with blood.

There is no option to provide blood at the roadside.....

I only have 2/5 of total lung capacity, I could not possibly blow for the length of time needed for a reading, also the reading would be wrong as it would be based on full lung capacity.
Got my HGV and PSV back, how you doing?

[hotel21]

AndyB - agree, to an extent.  Answering statements from Tunnie in the same vein in which his initial comments were posted.....

Generally speaking, it is impractical to drive other than at the posted limits but due consideration must be given to hazzards present and the drivers abilities.

It can be seen as 'somethings up' when some drivers drive in a manner other than that expected for the time of day.  Thats were 'coppers nouse' or instinct or whatever you want to call it, comes in to play....    

[hotel21]

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I only have 2/5 of total lung capacity, I could not possibly blow for the length of time needed for a reading, also the reading would be wrong as it would be based on full lung capacity.
Got my HGV and PSV back, how you doing?

The roadside reader is looking for deep lung air.  I have had instances where miners with chronic emphysema and severely restricted lung capacity still manage.  The machine realises that what its getting is all its getting!

My LGV and PCV got pulled by DVLA last week due to failing their tests, unfortunately, but thanks for asking...  

[Entwood]

Ive never been breathalised in 25 years of driving, you watch, it bet it happens in the next week or two.

I had to once, about 10 years ago at 9.00am cos someone ran up the back of me in front of a plaing colthed traffic car.

Q. Health wise I do not think I could do the test now, would the Police officer accept this as a reason for refusal and allow be to offer a blood test. this could be supported by accessing my medical records.

Short answer?  At the roadside, no.  

realise that, what would happen? should I get a letter? often wondered what would happen.

worst case, arrested for failing to provide a roadside specimen and offerred opportunity to provide two evidential specimens on an approved device at the Office.....

Failing to provide either one of the two is a failure....  Blood would only be an option if sample given is above limit but below a particular preset level when the driver can elect to have breath replaced with blood.

There is no option to provide blood at the roadside.....

I only have 2/5 of total lung capacity, I could not possibly blow for the length of time needed for a reading, also the reading would be wrong as it would be based on full lung capacity.
Got my HGV and PSV back, how you doing?

found this .. don't know if it helps ... agrees with the previous advice .. you get arrested and taken to station to provide a urine sample..

What happens if the roadside test is positive, or you refuse, or you can't give the necessary sample? If any of these happen you will be arrested and taken to the police station. At the police station you will usually be asked to provide two specimens of breath for analysis (using approved evidential instruments either an Intoximeter EC/IR;  Lion Intoxilyzer; or Camic Datamaster). If the two readings differ then the police must rely on the lower reading. If the reading is over the prescribed limit then you will have committed an offence and you will be charged.

You do not have a right to insist on supplying a sample of blood or urine instead. If you fail to supply a breath specimen at the station you will committed an offence, unless you have a reasonable excuse. Being too drunk or unfit to supply the necessary breath specimen is NOT a reasonable excuse. A medical condition which prevents you from supplying enough breath for the machine to sample may be a sufficient excuse. If you have such a condition you must advise the police at the time.

The police may legitimately request that you provide a specimen of blood or urine as an alternative to a breath test, if :-

   1. No automatic measuring device is available at the time of your arrest, or it is not working properly.
   2. The offence involves drugs and the police officer has taken medical advice that your condition may be due to drugs.
   3. The police officer making the request has reasonable cause to believe that breath samples should not be requested for health reasons

[Vamps]

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I only have 2/5 of total lung capacity, I could not possibly blow for the length of time needed for a reading, also the reading would be wrong as it would be based on full lung capacity.
Got my HGV and PSV back, how you doing?

The roadside reader is looking for deep lung air.  I have had instances where miners with chronic emphysema and severely restricted lung capacity still manage.  The machine realises that what its getting is all its getting!

My LGV and PCV got pulled by DVLA last week due to failing their tests, unfortunately, but thanks for asking...  

Think I may not have explained myself very well. They have two lungs regardles of capacity. I have only one, the left one which totals 2/5 volume, I simply do not have the puff to blow into one. Guess I would be arrested though in any event

[Martin_1962]

When i was taught to drive, i was told to drive exactly on the limit, at all times, unless it was wet.

 

Sounds like you weren't taught to drive, but to pass the test.

I've been pulled over 4 times. Once for a breath test in the UK (was followed out of a pub car park; fair enough. Once for a breath test in France during the Le Mans 24h; certainly fair enough given the number of p!ss heads around there. Once in the UK just to check the car was mine; fair enough, I thought. I was in the Westfield and I'd damn well have wanted it to be pulled over if it had been nicked. The most bizarre one was in South Africa when I was simply asked if I had any pork in the car. I had actually just finished eating a ham sandwich but they didn't see the funny side of that.

I think provided your guilt / innocence is established with the minimum of inconvenience it's not a problem.

Kevin

Smuggling - my only case is the following.

Went by ferry to Wexford, terminal literally about 10 miles from Rosslaire, then diverted to Dublin, 100 miles or more north.

Big signs no dairy products, at the terminal - my cheese sandwiches were sneaked in!!!!