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Re: The power of Macdonalds
« Reply #30 on: 13 July 2012, 16:42:54 »

well after all this talk slagging off mcdonalds, Ive decided i wont be darkening there door again....junk food :y its burger king for me from here on ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #31 on: 13 July 2012, 17:35:06 »

No one is forced to eat in these places, all adults have a choice. The adults who indulge their children regularly, in order to stuff their own fat faces? Well.....that's a sign of the times we live in, and you can hardly blame Macdonalds.

As for the sponsorship question, no 'healthy food' companies could afford it. So, Olympics+Macdonalds or no olympics?

I say this time and time again, I will look after my family and make sure I point them in the right direction. It's up to others to make their own decisions.

I dont remember Mcdonalds when first Olympic games were started ::)

No. The first one was in Greece, it was a kebab house that sponsored that one. ;D

 ;D ;D ;D Another wee gem there. :-* :y
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« Reply #32 on: 13 July 2012, 21:51:41 »

Aah yes - what a wonderful advertisement to the spectators following such an ‘important’ event where those who seek to be champions through dedicated training, determination - and a wholesome diet bringing about a state of peak fitness - hope to compete, (taken from that Fail piece).

Commercial partners Coca-Cola, McDonald’s, Cadbury, Nature Valley and Heineken will be the only branded products sold at the games.

It now seems that those commercial concerns able to stump-up sufficient funds are afforded the ability to call the shots in any way they feel appropriate. 

Should this really be the way forward, then Christ help us. Corporatism will not only be running the country but such groups will be doing it with one aim and one aim only in mind, the maintenance and enhancement of the bottom line - irrespective of the eventual cost to those who will suffer as a result of such single minded intent .



It's a crazy world. Run by big business with neither ethics or morals. :-\

So here we have the 2012 London Olympics games.......a celebration of health, fitness and vitality.

Is it really such a good idea to use sponsors, who must take at least part of the responsibility, for the poor health of the nation?.

Junk food has a direct link with the  growing obesity problem we have in this country......not to mention diabetes. Exactly what message are we sending out to our children?..........Eat more processed crap, then wash it down with fizzy, sugary water that will rot your teeth.

Government ministers cower before the "all powerful" food industry and it's lobbyists. :( :(

I think you have in essence highlighted the real issue with this statement "Run by big business with neither ethics or morals" and this one Is it really such a good idea to use sponsors, who must take at least part of the responsibility, for the poor health of the nation?.

I can see it odd that junk food companies are sponsering the games .... but it is not the responsibililty of McD, Cadbury or whoever to ensure a healthly nation. It's also not the responsibility of the govt. Each and every adult makes their choices in life. If that choice is to eat at fast food chain, so be it. But deal with whatever consequences their are.
There simply just is too much blaming in our culture today - the govt, large companies, the man across the road......whoever.
The nation in poor health? If X percentage of people are obese for instance, the responsibility lies with the X percentage that are obese.
A company has a product or service to sell. Each person makes a choice whether to buy it
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Re: The power of Macdonalds
« Reply #33 on: 13 July 2012, 22:03:38 »

Aah yes - what a wonderful advertisement to the spectators following such an ‘important’ event where those who seek to be champions through dedicated training, determination - and a wholesome diet bringing about a state of peak fitness - hope to compete, (taken from that Fail piece).

Commercial partners Coca-Cola, McDonald’s, Cadbury, Nature Valley and Heineken will be the only branded products sold at the games.

It now seems that those commercial concerns able to stump-up sufficient funds are afforded the ability to call the shots in any way they feel appropriate. 

Should this really be the way forward, then Christ help us. Corporatism will not only be running the country but such groups will be doing it with one aim and one aim only in mind, the maintenance and enhancement of the bottom line - irrespective of the eventual cost to those who will suffer as a result of such single minded intent .



It's a crazy world. Run by big business with neither ethics or morals. :-\

So here we have the 2012 London Olympics games.......a celebration of health, fitness and vitality.

Is it really such a good idea to use sponsors, who must take at least part of the responsibility, for the poor health of the nation?.

Junk food has a direct link with the  growing obesity problem we have in this country......not to mention diabetes. Exactly what message are we sending out to our children?..........Eat more processed crap, then wash it down with fizzy, sugary water that will rot your teeth.

Government ministers cower before the "all powerful" food industry and it's lobbyists. :( :(

I think you have in essence highlighted the real issue with this statement "Run by big business with neither ethics or morals" and this one Is it really such a good idea to use sponsors, who must take at least part of the responsibility, for the poor health of the nation?.

I can see it odd that junk food companies are sponsering the games .... but it is not the responsibililty of McD, Cadbury or whoever to ensure a healthly nation. It's also not the responsibility of the govt. Each and every adult makes their choices in life. If that choice is to eat at fast food chain, so be it. But deal with whatever consequences their are.
There simply just is too much blaming in our culture today - the govt, large companies, the man across the road......whoever.
The nation in poor health? If X percentage of people are obese for instance, the responsibility lies with the X percentage that are obese.
A company has a product or service to sell. Each person makes a choice whether to buy it

sorry OO MV6.. but cant agree..

being adult dont make you conscious about nutrition..  only education can make you conscious..  most of those adults understand and wake up to real life after having health problems and after its too late.. I dont remember any school who teaches what to eat.. how to cook etc..

and besides most communities are driven by ads.. and its a prooven fact that ads effect peoples decision mechanisms..
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Re: The power of Macdonalds
« Reply #34 on: 13 July 2012, 22:11:23 »

No one is forced to eat in these places, all adults have a choice. The adults who indulge their children regularly, in order to stuff their own fat faces? Well.....that's a sign of the times we live in, and you can hardly blame Macdonalds.

As for the sponsorship question, no 'healthy food' companies could afford it. So, Olympics+Macdonalds or no olympics?

I say this time and time again, I will look after my family and make sure I point them in the right direction. It's up to others to make their own decisions.


Sadly, you may be correct, Steve. :( :(

I just wish that the government wasn't so shit scared of the big boys in the food industry. Quite often very unhealthy food is packaged and promoted as healthy, and allowed to do so by the government.
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The Government has nothing at all to do with what I buy to feed my family and I do not need packaging to tell me if the food I buy is healthy or not........Not everything is the Governments fault, some our decisions are our responsibility..... :y :y
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Re: The power of Macdonalds
« Reply #35 on: 13 July 2012, 22:16:37 »

Aah yes - what a wonderful advertisement to the spectators following such an ‘important’ event where those who seek to be champions through dedicated training, determination - and a wholesome diet bringing about a state of peak fitness - hope to compete, (taken from that Fail piece).

Commercial partners Coca-Cola, McDonald’s, Cadbury, Nature Valley and Heineken will be the only branded products sold at the games.

It now seems that those commercial concerns able to stump-up sufficient funds are afforded the ability to call the shots in any way they feel appropriate. 

Should this really be the way forward, then Christ help us. Corporatism will not only be running the country but such groups will be doing it with one aim and one aim only in mind, the maintenance and enhancement of the bottom line - irrespective of the eventual cost to those who will suffer as a result of such single minded intent .



It's a crazy world. Run by big business with neither ethics or morals. :-\

So here we have the 2012 London Olympics games.......a celebration of health, fitness and vitality.

Is it really such a good idea to use sponsors, who must take at least part of the responsibility, for the poor health of the nation?.

Junk food has a direct link with the  growing obesity problem we have in this country......not to mention diabetes. Exactly what message are we sending out to our children?..........Eat more processed crap, then wash it down with fizzy, sugary water that will rot your teeth.

Government ministers cower before the "all powerful" food industry and it's lobbyists. :( :(

I think you have in essence highlighted the real issue with this statement "Run by big business with neither ethics or morals" and this one Is it really such a good idea to use sponsors, who must take at least part of the responsibility, for the poor health of the nation?.

I can see it odd that junk food companies are sponsering the games .... but it is not the responsibililty of McD, Cadbury or whoever to ensure a healthly nation. It's also not the responsibility of the govt. Each and every adult makes their choices in life. If that choice is to eat at fast food chain, so be it. But deal with whatever consequences their are.
There simply just is too much blaming in our culture today - the govt, large companies, the man across the road......whoever.
The nation in poor health? If X percentage of people are obese for instance, the responsibility lies with the X percentage that are obese.
A company has a product or service to sell. Each person makes a choice whether to buy it

sorry OO MV6.. but cant agree..

being adult dont make you conscious about nutrition..  only education can make you conscious..  most of those adults understand and wake up to real life after having health problems and after its too late.. I dont remember any school who teaches what to eat.. how to cook etc..

and besides most communities are driven by ads.. and its a prooven fact that ads effect peoples decision mechanisms..

See your point Cem...but don't agree.
As an adult, you can make a conscious decision to get yourself informed. Furthermore, there is so much (easily accessible) info these days - moreso than ever before - that there is no excuse really. In essence, as I said I see your point, but you are now blaming education.
Certainly ads play a very large part in coscious and sub-consious decisions making, but again, slow down, take a moment for yourself, think, and and make very conscious decisions.
I so admit I don't always practice what I preach  ;)
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Re: The power of Macdonalds
« Reply #36 on: 13 July 2012, 22:22:34 »

Aah yes - what a wonderful advertisement to the spectators following such an ‘important’ event where those who seek to be champions through dedicated training, determination - and a wholesome diet bringing about a state of peak fitness - hope to compete, (taken from that Fail piece).

Commercial partners Coca-Cola, McDonald’s, Cadbury, Nature Valley and Heineken will be the only branded products sold at the games.

It now seems that those commercial concerns able to stump-up sufficient funds are afforded the ability to call the shots in any way they feel appropriate. 

Should this really be the way forward, then Christ help us. Corporatism will not only be running the country but such groups will be doing it with one aim and one aim only in mind, the maintenance and enhancement of the bottom line - irrespective of the eventual cost to those who will suffer as a result of such single minded intent .



It's a crazy world. Run by big business with neither ethics or morals. :-\

So here we have the 2012 London Olympics games.......a celebration of health, fitness and vitality.

Is it really such a good idea to use sponsors, who must take at least part of the responsibility, for the poor health of the nation?.

Junk food has a direct link with the  growing obesity problem we have in this country......not to mention diabetes. Exactly what message are we sending out to our children?..........Eat more processed crap, then wash it down with fizzy, sugary water that will rot your teeth.

Government ministers cower before the "all powerful" food industry and it's lobbyists. :( :(

I think you have in essence highlighted the real issue with this statement "Run by big business with neither ethics or morals" and this one Is it really such a good idea to use sponsors, who must take at least part of the responsibility, for the poor health of the nation?.

I can see it odd that junk food companies are sponsering the games .... but it is not the responsibililty of McD, Cadbury or whoever to ensure a healthly nation. It's also not the responsibility of the govt. Each and every adult makes their choices in life. If that choice is to eat at fast food chain, so be it. But deal with whatever consequences their are.
There simply just is too much blaming in our culture today - the govt, large companies, the man across the road......whoever.
The nation in poor health? If X percentage of people are obese for instance, the responsibility lies with the X percentage that are obese.
A company has a product or service to sell. Each person makes a choice whether to buy it

sorry OO MV6.. but cant agree..

being adult dont make you conscious about nutrition..  only education can make you conscious..  most of those adults understand and wake up to real life after having health problems and after its too late.. I dont remember any school who teaches what to eat.. how to cook etc..

and besides most communities are driven by ads.. and its a prooven fact that ads effect peoples decision mechanisms..

See your point Cem...but don't agree.
As an adult, you can make a conscious decision to get yourself informed. Furthermore, there is so much (easily accessible) info these days - moreso than ever before - that there is no excuse really. In essence, as I said I see your point, but you are now blaming education.
Certainly ads play a very large part in coscious and sub-consious decisions making, but again, slow down, take a moment for yourself, think, and and make very conscious decisions.
I so admit I don't always practice what I preach  ;)

problem is , this info available mostly came with internet.. and its too late for most of us, heavy weight champions ;D

and although I am not an expert, being adult dont make you decide always consciously..  lots of proof around imo.. :(
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Re: The power of Macdonalds
« Reply #37 on: 13 July 2012, 22:24:48 »

to add some complexity to this discussion , taste is always the preference of humankind over health..  ::)


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Re: The power of Macdonalds
« Reply #38 on: 13 July 2012, 22:48:14 »

Aah yes - what a wonderful advertisement to the spectators following such an ‘important’ event where those who seek to be champions through dedicated training, determination - and a wholesome diet bringing about a state of peak fitness - hope to compete, (taken from that Fail piece).

Commercial partners Coca-Cola, McDonald’s, Cadbury, Nature Valley and Heineken will be the only branded products sold at the games.

It now seems that those commercial concerns able to stump-up sufficient funds are afforded the ability to call the shots in any way they feel appropriate. 

Should this really be the way forward, then Christ help us. Corporatism will not only be running the country but such groups will be doing it with one aim and one aim only in mind, the maintenance and enhancement of the bottom line - irrespective of the eventual cost to those who will suffer as a result of such single minded intent .



It's a crazy world. Run by big business with neither ethics or morals. :-\

So here we have the 2012 London Olympics games.......a celebration of health, fitness and vitality.

Is it really such a good idea to use sponsors, who must take at least part of the responsibility, for the poor health of the nation?.

Junk food has a direct link with the  growing obesity problem we have in this country......not to mention diabetes. Exactly what message are we sending out to our children?..........Eat more processed crap, then wash it down with fizzy, sugary water that will rot your teeth.

Government ministers cower before the "all powerful" food industry and it's lobbyists. :( :(

I think you have in essence highlighted the real issue with this statement "Run by big business with neither ethics or morals" and this one Is it really such a good idea to use sponsors, who must take at least part of the responsibility, for the poor health of the nation?.

I can see it odd that junk food companies are sponsering the games .... but it is not the responsibililty of McD, Cadbury or whoever to ensure a healthly nation. It's also not the responsibility of the govt. Each and every adult makes their choices in life. If that choice is to eat at fast food chain, so be it. But deal with whatever consequences their are.
There simply just is too much blaming in our culture today - the govt, large companies, the man across the road......whoever.
The nation in poor health? If X percentage of people are obese for instance, the responsibility lies with the X percentage that are obese.
A company has a product or service to sell. Each person makes a choice whether to buy it



Does this not amount to accepting a free for all V6?

Given the immense power of the body corporate, through targeted advertising and market saturation – in this case McDonalds – there must be some level of responsibility shown in respect of the wholesome nature of their products and how this impinges on the well-being of those who choose to consume this type of food.

It would seem that the main purpose of those in this arena of business activity has been to create an almost total level of dependence on not only the convenience factor offered by such products, but also by way of the culinary composition of them in order to achieve the maximum amount of sales possible - irrespective of any negative effects on the health of those people foolish enough to consume this kind of food in any regular or excessive way.

Government cannot evade responsibility by blindly allowing any business concern to produce and sell products which – in the case of ‘fast food’ – has demonstrated not only to have had a detrimental physical effect on many of those who consume regular amounts of it but also an addictive effect as well.

With obesity in many people within this country at an all time high and with Type 2 diabetes and heart disease rapidly becoming a serious cause for concern, the government must act to ensure that such corporate concerns behave in a responsible fashion and ensure that their products do not contribute in any detrimental way to this ever increasing problem.

Of course personal responsibility plays a very large part in how people decide to live their lives but it seems that the way these corporate bodies operate, in how they saturate the market with outlets selling their products, in how they tap into the popular culture by making their products apparently indispensable to modern day living, they seem to be more intent in achieving market domination and increased profits than being concerned on just how detrimental their products can be to those people foolish enough to buy into the hype.

Rampant corporatism is a bad thing because the bottom line is the prime reason for being – the consequences to those caught up in the quest to get to that all important point would seem to be a distant concern to say the least.   
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« Reply #39 on: 13 July 2012, 23:08:24 »

Aah yes - what a wonderful advertisement to the spectators following such an ‘important’ event where those who seek to be champions through dedicated training, determination - and a wholesome diet bringing about a state of peak fitness - hope to compete, (taken from that Fail piece).

Commercial partners Coca-Cola, McDonald’s, Cadbury, Nature Valley and Heineken will be the only branded products sold at the games.

It now seems that those commercial concerns able to stump-up sufficient funds are afforded the ability to call the shots in any way they feel appropriate. 

Should this really be the way forward, then Christ help us. Corporatism will not only be running the country but such groups will be doing it with one aim and one aim only in mind, the maintenance and enhancement of the bottom line - irrespective of the eventual cost to those who will suffer as a result of such single minded intent .



It's a crazy world. Run by big business with neither ethics or morals. :-\

So here we have the 2012 London Olympics games.......a celebration of health, fitness and vitality.

Is it really such a good idea to use sponsors, who must take at least part of the responsibility, for the poor health of the nation?.

Junk food has a direct link with the  growing obesity problem we have in this country......not to mention diabetes. Exactly what message are we sending out to our children?..........Eat more processed crap, then wash it down with fizzy, sugary water that will rot your teeth.

Government ministers cower before the "all powerful" food industry and it's lobbyists. :( :(

I think you have in essence highlighted the real issue with this statement "Run by big business with neither ethics or morals" and this one Is it really such a good idea to use sponsors, who must take at least part of the responsibility, for the poor health of the nation?.

I can see it odd that junk food companies are sponsering the games .... but it is not the responsibililty of McD, Cadbury or whoever to ensure a healthly nation. It's also not the responsibility of the govt. Each and every adult makes their choices in life. If that choice is to eat at fast food chain, so be it. But deal with whatever consequences their are.
There simply just is too much blaming in our culture today - the govt, large companies, the man across the road......whoever.
The nation in poor health? If X percentage of people are obese for instance, the responsibility lies with the X percentage that are obese.
A company has a product or service to sell. Each person makes a choice whether to buy it



Does this not amount to accepting a free for all V6?

Given the immense power of the body corporate, through targeted advertising and market saturation – in this case McDonalds – there must be some level of responsibility shown in respect of the wholesome nature of their products and how this impinges on the well-being of those who choose to consume this type of food.

It would seem that the main purpose of those in this arena of business activity has been to create an almost total level of dependence on not only the convenience factor offered by such products, but also by way of the culinary composition of them in order to achieve the maximum amount of sales possible - irrespective of any negative effects on the health of those people foolish enough to consume this kind of food in any regular or excessive way.

Government cannot evade responsibility by blindly allowing any business concern to produce and sell products which – in the case of ‘fast food’ – has demonstrated not only to have had a detrimental physical effect on many of those who consume regular amounts of it but also an addictive effect as well.

With obesity in many people within this country at an all time high and with Type 2 diabetes and heart disease rapidly becoming a serious cause for concern, the government must act to ensure that such corporate concerns behave in a responsible fashion and ensure that their products do not contribute in any detrimental way to this ever increasing problem.

Of course personal responsibility plays a very large part in how people decide to live their lives but it seems that the way these corporate bodies operate, in how they saturate the market with outlets selling their products, in how they tap into the popular culture by making their products apparently indispensable to modern day living, they seem to be more intent in achieving market domination and increased profits than being concerned on just how detrimental their products can be to those people foolish enough to buy into the hype.

Rampant corporatism is a bad thing because the bottom line is the prime reason for being – the consequences to those caught up in the quest to get to that all important point would seem to be a distant concern to say the least.

 thanks Den.. there is nothing I can think of now to add more..
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Re: The power of Macdonalds
« Reply #40 on: 13 July 2012, 23:33:23 »


It's a crazy world. Run by big business with neither ethics or morals. :-\

So here we have the 2012 London Olympics games.......a celebration of health, fitness and vitality.

Is it really such a good idea to use sponsors, who must take at least part of the responsibility, for the poor health of the nation?.

Junk food has a direct link with the  growing obesity problem we have in this country......not to mention diabetes. Exactly what message are we sending out to our children?..........Eat more processed crap, then wash it down with fizzy, sugary water that will rot your teeth.

Government ministers cower before the "all powerful" food industry and it's lobbyists. :( :(

I think you have in essence highlighted the real issue with this statement "Run by big business with neither ethics or morals" and this one Is it really such a good idea to use sponsors, who must take at least part of the responsibility, for the poor health of the nation?.

I can see it odd that junk food companies are sponsering the games .... but it is not the responsibililty of McD, Cadbury or whoever to ensure a healthly nation. It's also not the responsibility of the govt. Each and every adult makes their choices in life. If that choice is to eat at fast food chain, so be it. But deal with whatever consequences their are.
There simply just is too much blaming in our culture today - the govt, large companies, the man across the road......whoever.
The nation in poor health? If X percentage of people are obese for instance, the responsibility lies with the X percentage that are obese.
A company has a product or service to sell. Each person makes a choice whether to buy it



Does this not amount to accepting a free for all V6?

Given the immense power of the body corporate, through targeted advertising and market saturation – in this case McDonalds – there must be some level of responsibility shown in respect of the wholesome nature of their products and how this impinges on the well-being of those who choose to consume this type of food.

It would seem that the main purpose of those in this arena of business activity has been to create an almost total level of dependence on not only the convenience factor offered by such products, but also by way of the culinary composition of them in order to achieve the maximum amount of sales possible - irrespective of any negative effects on the health of those people foolish enough to consume this kind of food in any regular or excessive way.

Government cannot evade responsibility by blindly allowing any business concern to produce and sell products which – in the case of ‘fast food’ – has demonstrated not only to have had a detrimental physical effect on many of those who consume regular amounts of it but also an addictive effect as well.

With obesity in many people within this country at an all time high and with Type 2 diabetes and heart disease rapidly becoming a serious cause for concern, the government must act to ensure that such corporate concerns behave in a responsible fashion and ensure that their products do not contribute in any detrimental way to this ever increasing problem.

Of course personal responsibility plays a very large part in how people decide to live their lives but it seems that the way these corporate bodies operate, in how they saturate the market with outlets selling their products, in how they tap into the popular culture by making their products apparently indispensable to modern day living, they seem to be more intent in achieving market domination and increased profits than being concerned on just how detrimental their products can be to those people foolish enough to buy into the hype.

Rampant corporatism is a bad thing because the bottom line is the prime reason for being – the consequences to those caught up in the quest to get to that all important point would seem to be a distant concern to say the least.

DD - you made some very valid comments there and I do agree with you. Of course there needs to be rules and controls. And no, I am not implying a free for all at all. What I maybe did not make clear enough previously is once the said rules, controls are there, it also sends a subliminal message that Joe Bloggs can stop thinking for himself - and when thngs go wrong, blame the govt, large corporations, or whoever else.
Also, as you point out, the large corporations market their goods in such a way, saturate the market in the way they do and the message is that these items are essential to life. Life changes rapidly but many people don't ever question it.
Take for example, keeping with the fast food idea, coffee bars. In towns and cities everywhere commuters are walking down a street with a cardboard cup in their hand. Does anyone think, hey why don't I get up 10 minutes earlier and sit peacefully with a coffee like people did not so many years ago.
Just observing that life can take you over if you don't think about making decisions for yourself.

And refering back to the many comments about not eating this type of food. Don't like it , don't go. Cem mentioned a lack of knowledge in the past on the part of the general public concerning the damage that it can cause to your health. True. In the past. But now we know. So now we CAN make informed decisions
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Re: The power of Macdonalds
« Reply #41 on: 14 July 2012, 10:51:05 »

"Burger-chomping fat bodied salad-dodgers"
Hang on, don't burgers have salad in? Thats on of my 5-a-day ;D
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« Reply #42 on: 14 July 2012, 11:36:11 »

"Burger-chomping fat bodied salad-dodgers"
Hang on, don't burgers have salad in? Thats on of my 5-a-day ;D


I take it out and throw it away. Yuk. ;D
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« Reply #43 on: 14 July 2012, 11:47:31 »

"Burger-chomping fat bodied salad-dodgers"
Hang on, don't burgers have salad in? Thats on of my 5-a-day ;D

Dont forget those lovely gherkins  :P
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« Reply #44 on: 14 July 2012, 15:10:13 »

"Burger-chomping fat bodied salad-dodgers"
Hang on, don't burgers have salad in? Thats on of my 5-a-day ;D

Oh, you mean that limp, damp green shite... Always wondered what that was supposed to be.

Best bit of a macker slackers meal is the gherkins. Only part that's recognisable as food IMHO.
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