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[bored bigyin54]

me personally, i cant see the appeal of bimmers. each to his own though of course 

if i had a good amount of dosh i'd love a mercedes though. one can but dream 

The thing is Webby, the only Mercs worth buying are all Omega money, and a good bit older/higher mileage/more used

you can always go to germany , and buy a left hand drive

[Del Boy]

God awful cars (like the wheels though  ) but these cars are for snobs / for people who think their it basically    IMO 

Some annoying lad has one locally in town but the saloon sport 3.5 v8 W reg in black with black alloys and lives in a council house thinks he's it and with his arm dangling out with shades on with his teenage lover with his kid lol

I do wish people wouldn't be so narrow minded. 

I know that I'm wasting my breath but here goes anyway. 

The highlighted bit above must be true as when I go out in the Omega I wear cheap jeans and cheap sunglasses but when I go out in the Bmw I undergo a complete personality transplant and put on my best snobby shoes and trousers and wear my snobbiest sunglasses so that I can lord it over the peasants.  Yeah right. 

I'm all for defending the Omega marque but just imagine this: 'A fictitious Omega' pulls like a train from any speed and is limited to the agreed 155mph but still returns over 600 miles to a tank of fuel. It's comfortable to drive and eats up the miles with ease. Sounds great so far, but hey, wait a minute, you can't have one because some ignorant, snobby, holier than thou fat b@stard up the road has one. 
Not really a good reason to avoid them is it.  At least have constructive criticism and not base it on alleged stereo-typical owner. 
If you don't like a certain car then that is a completely different matter. We all have our likes and dislikes and it would be a strange world if we didn't. All cars have their share of problems if you keep them long enough. 
Anyway, for now I suppose it's back to 'Over-rated, Over priced and Over here' attitude.

Amen. I wish I could've put it like that  .

[TheBoy]

God awful cars (like the wheels though  ) but these cars are for snobs / for people who think their it basically    IMO 

Some annoying lad has one locally in town but the saloon sport 3.5 v8 W reg in black with black alloys and lives in a council house thinks he's it and with his arm dangling out with shades on with his teenage lover with his kid lol

I do wish people wouldn't be so narrow minded. 

I know that I'm wasting my breath but here goes anyway. 

The highlighted bit above must be true as when I go out in the Omega I wear cheap jeans and cheap sunglasses but when I go out in the Bmw I undergo a complete personality transplant and put on my best snobby shoes and trousers and wear my snobbiest sunglasses so that I can lord it over the peasants.  Yeah right. 

I'm all for defending the Omega marque but just imagine this: 'A fictitious Omega' pulls like a train from any speed and is limited to the agreed 155mph but still returns over 600 miles to a tank of fuel. It's comfortable to drive and eats up the miles with ease. Sounds great so far, but hey, wait a minute, you can't have one because some ignorant, snobby, holier than thou fat b@stard up the road has one. 
Not really a good reason to avoid them is it.  At least have constructive criticism and not base it on alleged stereo-typical owner. 
If you don't like a certain car then that is a completely different matter. We all have our likes and dislikes and it would be a strange world if we didn't. All cars have their share of problems if you keep them long enough. 
Anyway, for now I suppose it's back to 'Over-rated, Over priced and Over here' attitude.

I agree. BUT the sterotypicalness is probably justified, especially during the later 90s/early 00s, when junior sales reps moved out of Chavaliers and Sierras (without indicators) into 3 series, again without indicators. Its the morons driving, not the cars. Shame beemers have more than their fair share of tossers driving. I do recall a double glazing saleman come round, and he was more interested in telling me about the 3 series he was getting next week, than showing me windows...

The other annoyance I have with beemer drivers - and remember I come from a large family of them - is that it appears a significant majority think BMW is somehow a more superior, more reliable car, and the dealers treat you well. BMW dealers are probably the worse there are, maybe with the exception of Renault, and the build quality is not better or worse than other cars. And uses the same components .

Rmember, BMW bought Rover (aside from wanting its 4x4 tech) as it had no idea on mass production, and needed capability fast (mid 90s, (the last of the proper) 3 series was taking off big time), so Longbridge taught them all they know .  Additionally, the original 1 series was a Rover design, originally a replacement for the 25/45 models. This is why the 1 series is so badly designed, as it had to have a last minute rejig to make it RWD, which wasn't that successful.

BMW most successful car to date, the MINI, is also straight from the Rover design team.

So, beemer drivers, would you proudly shout out you drive a Rover

[YZ250]

God awful cars (like the wheels though  ) but these cars are for snobs / for people who think their it basically    IMO 

Some annoying lad has one locally in town but the saloon sport 3.5 v8 W reg in black with black alloys and lives in a council house thinks he's it and with his arm dangling out with shades on with his teenage lover with his kid lol

I do wish people wouldn't be so narrow minded. 

I know that I'm wasting my breath but here goes anyway. 

The highlighted bit above must be true as when I go out in the Omega I wear cheap jeans and cheap sunglasses but when I go out in the Bmw I undergo a complete personality transplant and put on my best snobby shoes and trousers and wear my snobbiest sunglasses so that I can lord it over the peasants.  Yeah right. 

I'm all for defending the Omega marque but just imagine this: 'A fictitious Omega' pulls like a train from any speed and is limited to the agreed 155mph but still returns over 600 miles to a tank of fuel. It's comfortable to drive and eats up the miles with ease. Sounds great so far, but hey, wait a minute, you can't have one because some ignorant, snobby, holier than thou fat b@stard up the road has one. 
Not really a good reason to avoid them is it.  At least have constructive criticism and not base it on alleged stereo-typical owner. 
If you don't like a certain car then that is a completely different matter. We all have our likes and dislikes and it would be a strange world if we didn't. All cars have their share of problems if you keep them long enough. 
Anyway, for now I suppose it's back to 'Over-rated, Over priced and Over here' attitude.

I agree. BUT the sterotypicalness is probably justified, especially during the later 90s/early 00s, when junior sales reps moved out of Chavaliers and Sierras (without indicators) into 3 series, again without indicators. Its the morons driving, not the cars. Shame beemers have more than their fair share of tossers driving. I do recall a double glazing saleman come round, and he was more interested in telling me about the 3 series he was getting next week, than showing me windows...

The other annoyance I have with beemer drivers - and remember I come from a large family of them - is that it appears a significant majority think BMW is somehow a more superior, more reliable car, and the dealers treat you well. BMW dealers are probably the worse there are, maybe with the exception of Renault, and the build quality is not better or worse than other cars. And uses the same components .

Rmember, BMW bought Rover (aside from wanting its 4x4 tech) as it had no idea on mass production, and needed capability fast (mid 90s, (the last of the proper) 3 series was taking off big time), so Longbridge taught them all they know .  Additionally, the original 1 series was a Rover design, originally a replacement for the 25/45 models. This is why the 1 series is so badly designed, as it had to have a last minute rejig to make it RWD, which wasn't that successful.

BMW most successful car to date, the MINI, is also straight from the Rover design team.

So, beemer drivers, would you proudly shout out you drive a Rover

....and a Rolls Royce, don't forget the Rolls Royce  .....and that was before BMW took over. The Mini was never expected to make money, it was purely to offset the gas guzzlers within the same company. 
We've all got to 'love to hate' something so BMW wins that prize.  To answer the OP's question, I want a VW T5 Transporter as my next 'car'. 

Oh, and did I mention that I've got a BMW with...blah blah blah 

[Kevin Wood]

Rmember, BMW bought Rover (aside from wanting its 4x4 tech) as it had no idea on mass production, and needed capability fast (mid 90s, (the last of the proper) 3 series was taking off big time), so Longbridge taught them all they know .  Additionally, the original 1 series was a Rover design, originally a replacement for the 25/45 models. This is why the 1 series is so badly designed, as it had to have a last minute rejig to make it RWD, which wasn't that successful.

BMW most successful car to date, the MINI, is also straight from the Rover design team.

So, beemer drivers, would you proudly shout out you drive a Rover

It's the way BMW asset stripped Rover and then shafted them that makes me determined never to spend a penny on a BMW product, aside from the stereotype, of course. People have such short memories. Plus, I might have to park it in Birmingham one day.

[Del Boy]

Personally I think they're better built than a lot of cars, and I do genuinely believe that (apart from one particular model, the new 1 series). Dealers, there are good and bad, as with every company. The cars are not 100% fault free far from it, but I do personally prefer them to anything else. I have one particular car for myself a BMW 520d, why? Because I do believe that for what I do, it's by far the best car available. It's quick enough, it's very economical, it's very well made, it's got a nice specification, and most of all, it's a big comfy executive barge, that does well over 50 MPG, costs £120 Per year to tax and it does everything I ask.

I'll also concede that the new 1 Series really does have appalling build quality and other than the driving experience & the choice of engines, it's worth no more than an Astra, but I still stand by the fact, if they didn't have a BMW badge I bet a lot of people would be driving them. A brand which had attracted some bad drivers really makes people hate a car that much? Look around at bad drivers, they're not just in BMW's  .

[smithpa7]

Personally I think they're better built than a lot of cars, and I do genuinely believe that (apart from one particular model, the new 1 series). Dealers, there are good and bad, as with every company. The cars are not 100% fault free far from it, but I do personally prefer them to anything else. I have one particular car for myself a BMW 520d, why? Because I do believe that for what I do, it's by far the best car available. It's quick enough, it's very economical, it's very well made, it's got a nice specification, and most of all, it's a big comfy executive barge, that does well over 50 MPG, costs £120 Per year to tax and it does everything I ask.

I'll also concede that the new 1 Series really does have appalling build quality and other than the driving experience & the choice of engines, it's worth no more than an Astra, but I still stand by the fact, if they didn't have a BMW badge I bet a lot of people would be driving them. A brand which had attracted some bad drivers really makes people hate a car that much? Look around at bad drivers, they're not just in BMW's  .

Del, I agree, the build of my 5 series is much better than the Omega. I do however love both cars.

I find the worst drivers tend to be from Asia. They drive as though there are no others drivers on the road, they do not indicate, they drive very slow or very fast, and don't seem to care about traffic flow or other users Maybe they have the 'right attitude'??

I speak as I find. There has just been a program about poor and dangerous parking at schools on BBC1. It was a local school to me. Everyone person that was flouting the LAW was from Asia

[smithpa7]

Getting back to the original thread, I had a look at an Audi 3.2 V6 SE Quattro saloon yesterday. 04 reg 105,000 miles. It was in very good condition outside, however the interior had hosted many parties , it was wrecked. Only £3500.

I will keep looking.

[Webby the Bear]

I have the MOT this week..... may be sooner rather than later the old girl has to go depending on that.

Nexy car will be a Honda. And if there's one available it will have a 0.3L engine!!!

[omega3000]

I have the MOT this week..... may be sooner rather than later the old girl has to go depending on that.

Nexy car will be a Honda. And if there's one available it will have a 0.3L engine!!!

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[dbug]

I'd have an M3 or M5, could not afford to run it though

   saw you on a Jaguar forum asking about XJs tunnie 

[tunnie]

I'd have an M3 or M5, could not afford to run it though

   saw you on a Jaguar forum asking about XJs tunnie 

Yeah spotted you too   

But apart from shocks, parts look reasonable for the XJ

[dbug]

I'd have an M3 or M5, could not afford to run it though

   saw you on a Jaguar forum asking about XJs tunnie 

Yeah spotted you too   

But apart from shocks, parts look reasonable for the XJ

Yep servicing straightforward, and reasonably priced (if you get GM 5w/30 synthetic on 4 for 3 offer on TC )

Just front pads to replace now and MOT

[Broomies Mate]

I have a BMW.  It's a V8.  It's an e39 and is a great car.  No better than the Omega though.  I've had three 3.0 Elites and I am looking for another 3.0/3.2 Elite to replace the 5 series.

There is nothing 'wrong' with the BMW, it's just not an Omega.  I'm not stupid enough to believe the Omega is the best car ever and will never be beaten, but there is something 'right' about it.  It's more comfortable than the e39 but it doesn't go around roundabouts like the e39.  Horses for Courses.

For me, personally, S Type Jag is the one, if you can live with the uglyness.  Of course, some people find the car beautiful, and who am I to say they are wrong?

[Broomies Mate]

.....

Some annoying lad has one locally in town but the saloon sport 3.5 v8 W reg  .....

There's a young OOFer here with a V8 5 series 

That'll be two young *cough* OOFer's then, Andy