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[Nickbat]

I really do not understand Cameron.

We have a pretty tolerant society. Civil partnerships between same-sex couples have been largely accepted as uncontroversial. Most sections of society have just got on with life. There has been no great push (as I understand it) from the gay community for church marriages.

But, Cameron, despite all the more pressing needs of the country, has pushed this non-manifesto item up the agenda and risks causing splits right left and centre. If some churches do allow gay marriages, those that do not will surely be taken to the ECHR, thus causing a major confrontation.

Already, muslims are being asked not to vote for any MP that backs the plans, so from a political point of view, it's hardly a vote winner.

Now, this is not meant to stir up a hornet's nest as to the pros and cons of religion vs. homosexuality, but why, oh why, does that complete numptie in No10 think that this is such a major issue that it is worth causing such strife over? 

He really is bonkers, IMHO. 

While he's in charge, I could NEVER vote Tory.

[Kevin Wood]

Yep. Wondering what's behind it, as it doesn't appear to be common sense or (to quote a more likely motivating factor for a politician) votes.

[Sir Tigger KC]

The only opinion that I have on Gay marriage is that I agree that religious establishments shouldn't be forced to do them. I'm not sure about this so correct me if I'm wrong, but the Catholic's won't marry divorcees or at least some Catholic churches won't? So if I'm right there's a precedent.....

[Nickbat]

The only opinion that I have on Gay marriage is that I agree that religious establishments shouldn't be forced to do them. I'm not sure about this so correct me if I'm wrong, but the Catholic's won't marry divorcees or at least some Catholic churches won't? So if I'm right there's a precedent.....

They are not being forced, but some small liberal elements have indicated they would marry gays. That then would open the doors for those who would not to be sued for discrimination.

As I say, a can of worms that only a half-wit like Cameron would open. 

[Webby the Bear]

i dont usually post contraversy in this section.... and then two in one night 

as for cameron. i like the guy. things just seem a bit better. i hate labour after the crap they've got us in.....anyway, thats not the point.

as for whether i think gay marriage is right or wrong... well...

how can anyone who is gay also be christian? its like ''ill pick the parts out of the bible i like and the ones that dont suit ill ignore''. so if churches are to be true to their religion they wont allow it.
however with modern society i would imagine they'll struggle to stop it as you cant prejudice against anyone (rightly).

ultimately it just proves, in my opinion, how stupid religion is. and i'd question why gay people would want to be married by a system that doesnt accept them.

once again just my opinion 

[Nickbat]

i dont usually post contraversy in this section.... and then two in one night 

as for cameron. i like the guy. things just seem a bit better. i hate labour after the crap they've got us in.....anyway, thats not the point.

as for whether i think gay marriage is right or wrong... well...

how can anyone who is gay also be christian? its like ''ill pick the parts out of the bible i like and the ones that dont suit ill ignore''. so if churches are to be true to their religion they wont allow it.
however with modern society i would imagine they'll struggle to stop it as you cant prejudice against anyone (rightly).

ultimately it just proves, in my opinion, how stupid religion is. and i'd question why gay people would want to be married by a system that doesnt accept them.

once again just my opinion 

That is the point, IMHO. I don't think it is a big issue to the majority of gays. As I see it, a civil partnership is all that is needed. So, back to my main point. Why make it a big deal? Why rock the religio-political establishment?

I have to disagree with your views on Cameron, though. He is leading the Conservative party off the cliff. 

[Webby the Bear]

i dont usually post contraversy in this section.... and then two in one night 

as for cameron. i like the guy. things just seem a bit better. i hate labour after the crap they've got us in.....anyway, thats not the point.

as for whether i think gay marriage is right or wrong... well...

how can anyone who is gay also be christian? its like ''ill pick the parts out of the bible i like and the ones that dont suit ill ignore''. so if churches are to be true to their religion they wont allow it.
however with modern society i would imagine they'll struggle to stop it as you cant prejudice against anyone (rightly).

ultimately it just proves, in my opinion, how stupid religion is. and i'd question why gay people would want to be married by a system that doesnt accept them.

once again just my opinion 

That is the point, IMHO. I don't think it is a big issue to the majority of gays. As I see it, a civil partnership is all that is needed. So, back my main point. Why make it a big deal? Why rock the religio-political establishment?

I have to disagree with your views on Cameron, though. He is leading the Conservative party off the cliff. 

Fair enough mate.

my own thoughts are that he's doing a good job and the problem in this country is EVERYTHING being overly sensationalised in the press.

however each to his own opinion and theres more important things in life than politics..... or the queen for that matter 

[dbug]

No problem with gays - as long as its not made compulsory

[cleggy]

Camoron is being an idiot puting gay marriage before real issuses, perhaps he's not just up his own arse, but eh ho it's a queer old world   

[Sir Tigger KC]

The only opinion that I have on Gay marriage is that I agree that religious establishments shouldn't be forced to do them. I'm not sure about this so correct me if I'm wrong, but the Catholic's won't marry divorcees or at least some Catholic churches won't? So if I'm right there's a precedent.....

They are not being forced, but some small liberal elements have indicated they would marry gays. That then would open the doors for those who would not to be sued for discrimination.

As I say, a can of worms that only a half-wit like Cameron would open. 

I think you missed my point Nick.  Camoron has said that religious establishments will not be obliged to conduct gay marriages, and I assume that this will be part of the legislation leaving little room for litigation against those who refuse.  As I said earlier, the Catholics don't marry divorcees which is discriminatory so that constitutes a precedent, allowing religious establishments the freedom to choose who they marry in their churches, synagogues, mosques etc.

However, I doubt that this has ever been tested in a court of law by a divorcee wanting to get married in his/her local Catholic church.  The Gay rights movement are very militant and have the resources to test this and you are right they probably will, as they don't seem to care about other peoples feelings, beliefs and freedom to follow a way of life! 

Personally, I can't really see what the big deal is, if 2 people want to get married in a religious ceremony they should have the freedom in law  to be able to and equally any religious establishment should have the freedom to refuse.  However the government shouldn't be devoting too much time and resources to this as there are much more important things in the country to fix! It's the economy stupid!!! 

[raywilb]

not been really following the story , but if i had a b&b & refused a couple of the same gender a double bed i,d risk being sued.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Nickbat stated initially with his thread that this was a complete waste of political time.

He is dead right and with all the problems we all face at the moment it is just stupid to waste political effort, risking party allegiance, and our country's reputation on the issue of same sex marriages in churches.

Get a grip Cameron, and deal with the issues that really matter!

[Sir Tigger KC]

Nickbat stated initially with his thread that this was a complete waste of political time.

He is dead right and with all the problems we all face at the moment it is just stupid to waste political effort, risking party allegiance, and our country's reputation on the issue of same sex marriages in churches.

Get a grip Cameron, and deal with the issues that really matter!

I don't think that's an issue to be honest Lizzie, as most western countries are grappling with gay marriage. 

[PhilRich]

Christian authorities and bodies believe that the New Testament regards marriage as instituted and ordained by God for the lifelong relationship between one man as husband and one woman as wife. Christian theology affirms the secular status of civil marriage, but additionally views it from a moral and religious perspective that transcends all social interests. 
 

[symes]

Bible also states=man shall not lay with man nor woman lie with woman.
Its there somewhere-cant remember where though.
But whatever floats ya boat eh