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[grain.ben]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9744312/Death-of-the-car-tax-disc-as-DVLA-records-become-digitised.html

[Kevin Wood]

The plans are set out in a Government consultation paper published yesterday by Dft, which is investigating reforming the DVLA, the Driving Standards Agency, the Vehicle Certification Agency and the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency.

I don't envy them trying to sort out that shower of 5h1t3!

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I agree with the idea, as it is just a paper confirmation of what "the computer says".

However, I would go one step further and scrap road tax complete.  It should be a tax when you buy fuel.  The more fuel you buy, and therefore the more miles travelled, the more you pay.

The only stipulation I would place on such a scheme is that the amount of tax applied to fuel for this purpose should be transparent to the public so we know how much we are actually paying.

[MaxV6]

while i used to approve of the concept Liz,  i have to say i'm not keen on another tax on fuel  in the UK......     driving a non LPG'd Mv6 might explain why

[the alarming man]

nice idea if it ever happens,the dvla at the moment are not fit for there purpose,but one things for sure if it ever does happen we will all end up paying  more...probably a lot more

[omega3000]

I agree with the idea, as it is just a paper confirmation of what "the computer says".

However, I would go one step further and scrap road tax complete.  It should be a tax when you buy fuel.  The more fuel you buy, and therefore the more miles travelled, the more you pay.

The only stipulation I would place on such a scheme is that the amount of tax applied to fuel for this purpose should be transparent to the public so we know how much we are actually paying.

Totally agree with that and so do a lot of people i know , i dont think it will ever happen though 

[Entwood]

Interesting mathematics for you ... If we take the average Annual RFL for an Omega to be £270

and the average mileage covered 10,000

and the average fuel consumption 25 mpg

10,000 miles @25 mpg = 400 galls = 1816 litres per year per omega, so to raise the equivalent of £270 the price per litre would have to rise by 15 p / litre

for the top end cars at £470 a year it would need to be more ... so again .. guessing on averages the actual increase would need to be around 20 p /litre or more and the top end cars would still be "winning" ......

I don't see anyone being happy with a 20 - 25 p /litre increase even if it did mean no more road tax ... especially those at the bottom end of the tax rates !!

headline rate of £1:50 a litre ...... 

[zirk]

So more cloning of dodgy number plates then, making it easier for road tax avoiders to drive around assuming they dont get stopped and get the VIN read.   

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Interesting mathematics for you ... If we take the average Annual RFL for an Omega to be £270

and the average mileage covered 10,000

and the average fuel consumption 25 mpg

10,000 miles @25 mpg = 400 galls = 1816 litres per year per omega, so to raise the equivalent of £270 the price per litre would have to rise by 15 p / litre

for the top end cars at £470 a year it would need to be more ... so again .. guessing on averages the actual increase would need to be around 20 p /litre or more and the top end cars would still be "winning" ......

I don't see anyone being happy with a 20 - 25 p /litre increase even if it did mean no more road tax ... especially those at the bottom end of the tax rates !!

headline rate of £1:50 a litre ...... 

I understand the maths Entwood, but I do 5,000 miler per year, so for (many?) people like me it makes sense.

Another 20-25p per litre increase for 10,000 mile drivers; I think that would seem acceptable as, let's face it, prices over recent years have gone up much more than that.  With no RFL to pay for, I think many would see it as worthwhile.

When I was on business I was doing 100,000 miles every 18 months, so people on business would pay properly for the use of the road.  Private users would obviously pay far less.  I think that is a fairer (nothing is completly fair of course!!) system.

[geoffr70]

Have you ever thought about being a politician Lizzie? They like to tell people what to do and tax us more too.

Businesses pay enough tax as it is. And what a bad idea it is to do away with the discs. Then, when computer says no (wrongly) as it often does, it'll end up in all kinds of confusion and inconvenience for law abiding motorists. Driving a v6 means we pay more tax anyway due to lower mpg/higher fuel use. If a 3000 mile a year Daewoo driver doesn't like it, tough, stop driving.

[Keith ABS]

  i worked this all out in 98. average car did 35mpg, average mileage was 12k, scrap RFL and it would equate, then, to 10p a litre. Put this to the then MP of the town and didnt get any reply, strangly?! It could be done. it would mean no more untaxed vehicles, the low milage population would benifit, high milers would pay for there extended use, BUT, some system would have to be put in place for transport. With the best HGV,s on around 8mpg, the cost to customers would be catastrophic. Buses already get fuel subsidies, although they dont like any one knowing this, I wonder why?
Keith B

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Have you ever thought about being a politician Lizzie? They like to tell people what to do and tax us more too.

Businesses pay enough tax as it is. And what a bad idea it is to do away with the discs. Then, when computer says no (wrongly) as it often does, it'll end up in all kinds of confusion and inconvenience for law abiding motorists. Driving a v6 means we pay more tax anyway due to lower mpg/higher fuel use. If a 3000 mile a year Daewoo driver doesn't like it, tough, stop driving.

Yes, and I would love to be to sort this country out!

[Andy B]

...  It should be a tax when you buy fuel.   ......

It's already go about 80% on it by the time you buy it!   

[aaronjb]

Have you ever thought about being a politician Lizzie? They like to tell people what to do and tax us more too.

Businesses pay enough tax as it is. And what a bad idea it is to do away with the discs. Then, when computer says no (wrongly) as it often does, it'll end up in all kinds of confusion and inconvenience for law abiding motorists. Driving a v6 means we pay more tax anyway due to lower mpg/higher fuel use. If a 3000 mile a year Daewoo driver doesn't like it, tough, stop driving.

Yes, and I would love to be to sort this country out!

I don't think Geoff would be voting for you, Lizzie! 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Have you ever thought about being a politician Lizzie? They like to tell people what to do and tax us more too.

Businesses pay enough tax as it is. And what a bad idea it is to do away with the discs. Then, when computer says no (wrongly) as it often does, it'll end up in all kinds of confusion and inconvenience for law abiding motorists. Driving a v6 means we pay more tax anyway due to lower mpg/higher fuel use. If a 3000 mile a year Daewoo driver doesn't like it, tough, stop driving.

But Geoff, that is our choice when owning a beast. We as individuals have accepted that fact, and if we decide it is unfair then we could always buy a Smart car or similar. If we use it I am afraid we must pay for it.  So that is true in business, and if you use cars to conduct your commerce then you must pay for all the road usage. It can be offset against tax by all good accountants anyway, but any cost that comes through outside that and effects the bottom line must be addressed by the business itself, not subsidised by everyone else.  We live in a capitalist society, and it must pay for itself. If more roads or railways are required due to the business done, then that must be funded by the people using that "service" just as we all pay for the energy we use, or the food we eat.

As I stated earlier no system is completely fair as in life nothing is fair, like the democratic system itself, let alone capitalism, but until there is a suitable alternative we live with it.