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[albitz]

Not always illegal drugs though.There is plenty of evidence (not widely publicised though) that many of these types of crimes are committed by people on prescription anti depressants.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/9367001/Safety-warning-over-Britains-most-common-antidepressant.html

http://www.cchrint.org/2012/07/20/the-aurora-colorado-tragedy-another-senseless-shooting-another-psychotropic-drug/

[Nickbat]

Not always illegal drugs though.There is plenty of evidence (not widely publicised though) that many of these types of crimes are committed by people on prescription anti depressants.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/9367001/Safety-warning-over-Britains-most-common-antidepressant.html

http://www.cchrint.org/2012/07/20/the-aurora-colorado-tragedy-another-senseless-shooting-another-psychotropic-drug/

That second link makes for shocking reading, Albs. 

[albitz]

Having seen the effects of SSRI drugs close up Nick,I have real concerns about them.They can of course be of benefit to people with certain mental health issues,but I think the side effects arent taken seriously enough by some parts of the medical profession.
Closer study and scrutiny is needed imo.

[dazzle72]

To echo whats aslready been said, it is a tragic waste indeed. Xmas every year now for them poor families will never be the same. And as for guns in this country, a couple of gang members in Nottingham have been jailed for a shooting. And one of them was on bail awaiting sentence for his part in the bombing of the police station in Notts during the riots!!

[bigegg]

My heart goes out to the families of the victims...   


I don't want to detract from the main point of this thread by making it into another political discussion but...
Gun law is based upon the mistaken premise that a <person> who is willing to commit murder, rape, kidnap, terrorism or robbery will obey a law which forbids him from illegally equipping himself with a tool to make those things easier.
Gun law removes weapons from the law-abiding, not from criminals - all I can think is that if the teachers had been armed, the killer might have been stopped at two or three victims instead of 20.
And I thought the same after Dunblane, and Hungerford, and the Lakes shootings, and the St. Lukes Machette attack, and Columbine and...

Having said that - murder rates for the UK, with some of the strictest gun laws in the world, has a murder rate of 0.8 people per 100,000 (2011) compared with an average of 4.7 in the USA.

However Texas, where everyone is habitually armed has a murder-rate of 4.4 (less than average), compared to Washington DC (stricter gun laws) with a rate of 21.9 (2010 figures)

[Lazydocker]

Indeed bigegg... It's the old cliché that Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Unfortunately guns are far to easy to get hold of in most countries and what is needed is better education.

That said, it appears that this terrible situation wouldn't have been any different with that education and could have been minimised if A N Other person had been armed. Equally, would people be comfortable with sending their 5 year old child to a school where the teachers are armed? Also, would any of those armed teachers have been brave enough to face down the gunman?

It's a tricky one... People (and I mean all people, myself included) find it easy to have these ideas but when it comes to the crunch, would you be willing to put yourself in such a dangerous situation?

I know that one of my biggest downfalls is that I don't like injustice... I have put myself into many situations that, in hindsight, were foolish including several occurrences of breaking up fights between complete strangers (to me). Fortunately (?) SWMBO knows that is just the way I am and that I will continue doing it. The fact that they could be armed never enters my mind until it's too late

[sassanach]

carefull bigegg your making sense,and that will never do nowadays.

[cem_devecioglu]

Indeed bigegg... It's the old cliché that Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Unfortunately guns are far to easy to get hold of in most countries and what is needed is better education.

That said, it appears that this terrible situation wouldn't have been any different with that education and could have been minimised if A N Other person had been armed. Equally, would people be comfortable with sending their 5 year old child to a school where the teachers are armed? Also, would any of those armed teachers have been brave enough to face down the gunman?

It's a tricky one... People (and I mean all people, myself included) find it easy to have these ideas but when it comes to the crunch, would you be willing to put yourself in such a dangerous situation?

I know that one of my biggest downfalls is that I don't like injustice... I have put myself into many situations that, in hindsight, were foolish including several occurrences of breaking up fights between complete strangers (to me). Fortunately (?) SWMBO knows that is just the way I am and that I will continue doing it. The fact that they could be armed never enters my mind until it's too late

the boy was carrying sig sauer,glock and an automatic rifle
 
what kind of gun law is this         

[bigegg]

according to this:

http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_ct.htm
No permit required to possess the Sig, but a permit is needed to possess and carry the handgun(which takes two weeks to process, and lasts five years).
Obviously a glock handgun is regarded as more dangerous than an automatic rifle 

[Johnny English]

I'm not sure of it's about gun law only as almost nobody mention the gun man's background of family. Even if hard to accept US gun laws impossible to accept how the gun man with mental issues could access to the rifle.

RIP all the innocent victims 

[Varche]

My heart goes out to the families of the victims...   


I don't want to detract from the main point of this thread by making it into another political discussion but...
Gun law is based upon the mistaken premise that a <person> who is willing to commit murder, rape, kidnap, terrorism or robbery will obey a law which forbids him from illegally equipping himself with a tool to make those things easier.
Gun law removes weapons from the law-abiding, not from criminals - all I can think is that if the teachers had been armed, the killer might have been stopped at two or three victims instead of 20.
And I thought the same after Dunblane, and Hungerford, and the Lakes shootings, and the St. Lukes Machette attack, and Columbine and...

Having said that - murder rates for the UK, with some of the strictest gun laws in the world, has a murder rate of 0.8 people per 100,000 (2011) compared with an average of 4.7 in the USA.

However Texas, where everyone is habitually armed has a murder-rate of 4.4 (less than average), compared to Washington DC (stricter gun laws) with a rate of 21.9 (2010 figures)

I wasn't going to comment on this thread but here goes. I do feel very sorry for all the families affected but I am not in the least bit surprised and neither should anyone especially in the States. Just what do they expect of a society of basically naturally violent individuals when they have the opportunity to blaze away with a weepon? As to the higher murder rates in Washington I would put that down to simply more people packed closely together. My theory is people need their space. You do not get that in densely packed living. Don't believe me? Just watch people in lifts. They stop talking, hide in a corner except when they are the poor unfortunate fifth person to enter. Road rage on crowded motorways, neighbour disputes in cramped housing and so on.

[cem_devecioglu]

My heart goes out to the families of the victims...   


I don't want to detract from the main point of this thread by making it into another political discussion but...
Gun law is based upon the mistaken premise that a <person> who is willing to commit murder, rape, kidnap, terrorism or robbery will obey a law which forbids him from illegally equipping himself with a tool to make those things easier.
Gun law removes weapons from the law-abiding, not from criminals - all I can think is that if the teachers had been armed, the killer might have been stopped at two or three victims instead of 20.
And I thought the same after Dunblane, and Hungerford, and the Lakes shootings, and the St. Lukes Machette attack, and Columbine and...

Having said that - murder rates for the UK, with some of the strictest gun laws in the world, has a murder rate of 0.8 people per 100,000 (2011) compared with an average of 4.7 in the USA.

However Texas, where everyone is habitually armed has a murder-rate of 4.4 (less than average), compared to Washington DC (stricter gun laws) with a rate of 21.9 (2010 figures)

I wasn't going to comment on this thread but here goes. I do feel very sorry for all the families affected but I am not in the least bit surprised and neither should anyone especially in the States. Just what do they expect of a society of basically naturally violent individuals when they have the opportunity to blaze away with a weepon? As to the higher murder rates in Washington I would put that down to simply more people packed closely together. My theory is people need their space. You do not get that in densely packed living. Don't believe me? Just watch people in lifts. They stop talking, hide in a corner except when they are the poor unfortunate fifth person to enter. Road rage on crowded motorways, neighbour disputes in cramped housing and so on.

agreed.. and I wish I had those weapons to open some space for myself

[Vamps]

Just been on the News that he broke into the school, he was not let in as assumed.....

[sassanach]

this will be a statistic in a couple of weeks time.

[Sir Tigger KC]

It's tragic, just tragic and such an un-necessary loss of young life... 

The shocking thing is that we're no longer shocked by these shootings that seem to happen on a regular basis...   This is the EIGHTH mass shooting in the USA this year!!! 

Why people feel they have a need and a right to own a semi automatic assault rifle is totally beyond me...    and the fact that people can own them without restrictions is utter utter madness IMO!!