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[cem_devecioglu]

I think except Subaru, other brands claim that their cars are 4wd   and the lies of the lier dont continue even until midnight
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_MXK2nzt2Y

[geoffr70]

Interesting, is there a difference between traditional 4wd and awd? A friend was telling me about some sort of inferior 4wd system on his Audi TT; being bored to death by Audis I wasn't listening.

[cem_devecioglu]

Interesting, is there a difference between traditional 4wd and awd? A friend was telling me about some sort of inferior 4wd system on his Audi TT; being bored to death by Audis I wasn't listening.

I think must be same..  all wheels must mean 4 wheels logically..

[Entwood]

Interesting, is there a difference between traditional 4wd and awd? A friend was telling me about some sort of inferior 4wd system on his Audi TT; being bored to death by Audis I wasn't listening.

I think must be same..  all wheels must mean 4 wheels logically..

I disagree....  4WD usually means MECHANICAL control, with a complicated drive train and a FIXED front/rear split.

AWD seems to be this crappy electronic control that varies the split whenever the ECU decides it should.. mate has a Volvo AWD thing .. supposedly 60/40 front rear "until required" when it puts power to any non-spinning wheel... sort of a very fancy traction control ... but it gets easily confused when on very slippy mud with a very large 'van on the back ... and each wheel spins in turn !!!! - sorted very quickly with a tow rope and an ancient "proper" 4WD --- an old landrover !

[cem_devecioglu]

Interesting, is there a difference between traditional 4wd and awd? A friend was telling me about some sort of inferior 4wd system on his Audi TT; being bored to death by Audis I wasn't listening.

I think must be same..  all wheels must mean 4 wheels logically..

I disagree....  4WD usually means MECHANICAL control, with a complicated drive train and a FIXED front/rear split.

AWD seems to be this crappy electronic control that varies the split whenever the ECU decides it should.. mate has a Volvo AWD thing .. supposedly 60/40 front rear "until required" when it puts power to any non-spinning wheel... sort of a very fancy traction control ... but it gets easily confused when on very slippy mud with a very large 'van on the back ... and each wheel spins in turn !!!! - sorted very quickly with a tow rope and an ancient "proper" 4WD --- an old landrover !

Thanks for the info Entwood.. 
 
here is a detailed link..
http://www.carsales.com.au/advice/2010/what-is-the-difference-between-4wd-and-awd-7530
 

[Andy B]

Interesting, is there a difference between traditional 4wd and awd? A friend was telling me about some sort of inferior 4wd system on his Audi TT; being bored to death by Audis I wasn't listening.

I think must be same..  all wheels must mean 4 wheels logically..

I disagree....  4WD usually means MECHANICAL control, with a complicated drive train and a FIXED front/rear split.

AWD seems to be this crappy electronic control that varies the split whenever the ECU decides it should.. mate has a Volvo AWD thing .. supposedly 60/40 front rear "until required" when it puts power to any non-spinning wheel... sort of a very fancy traction control ... but it gets easily confused when on very slippy mud with a very large 'van on the back ... and each wheel spins in turn !!!! - sorted very quickly with a tow rope and an ancient "proper" 4WD --- an old landrover !

I've yet to put my '4Matic' to the test 

[omega3000]

Maybe just as rubbish off road as well 

[Andy B]

Maybe just as rubbish off road as well 

You've had experience of being behind the wheel of one then ................ 

[geoffr70]

You can't beat a defender, they'll go just about anywhere if driven properly.

[aaronjb]

You can't beat a defender, they'll go just about anywhere if driven properly.

I bet a Subaru will be more comfortable the other 99% of the time though (having been in my other half's Dad's Defender 110!) 

[cem_devecioglu]

You can't beat a defender, they'll go just about anywhere if driven properly.

I bet a Subaru will be more comfortable the other 99% of the time though (having been in my other half's Dad's Defender 110!) 

ok..everyone sends 50£ s.. And I will inform you how comfortable is a new one..
 
and will send you a picture

[Kevin Wood]

You can't beat a defender, they'll go just about anywhere if driven properly.

I bet a Subaru will be more comfortable the other 99% of the time though (having been in my other half's Dad's Defender 110!) 

..with the added advantage that it can actually go in a straight line and doesn't pee EP90 everywhere.

[TheBoy]

You can't beat a defender, they'll go just about anywhere if driven properly.

Shame they will soon be replaced

Hopefully the new one will be as capable. And hopefully more comfortable!

[ianu]

Interesting, is there a difference between traditional 4wd and awd? A friend was telling me about some sort of inferior 4wd system on his Audi TT; being bored to death by Audis I wasn't listening.

I think must be same..  all wheels must mean 4 wheels logically..

I disagree....  4WD usually means MECHANICAL control, with a complicated drive train and a FIXED front/rear split.

AWD seems to be this crappy electronic control that varies the split whenever the ECU decides it should.. mate has a Volvo AWD thing .. supposedly 60/40 front rear "until required" when it puts power to any non-spinning wheel... sort of a very fancy traction control ... but it gets easily confused when on very slippy mud with a very large 'van on the back ... and each wheel spins in turn !!!! - sorted very quickly with a tow rope and an ancient "proper" 4WD --- an old landrover !

I also have a Volvo AWD thingy - never had any problems   
http://s1193.beta.photobucket.com/us...d5a73.mp4.html

http://s1193.beta.photobucket.com/us...ideo4.mp4.html

 

[ianu]

Interesting, is there a difference between traditional 4wd and awd? A friend was telling me about some sort of inferior 4wd system on his Audi TT; being bored to death by Audis I wasn't listening.

I think must be same..  all wheels must mean 4 wheels logically..

I disagree....  4WD usually means MECHANICAL control, with a complicated drive train and a FIXED front/rear split.

AWD seems to be this crappy electronic control that varies the split whenever the ECU decides it should.. mate has a Volvo AWD thing .. supposedly 60/40 front rear "until required" when it puts power to any non-spinning wheel... sort of a very fancy traction control ... but it gets easily confused when on very slippy mud with a very large 'van on the back ... and each wheel spins in turn !!!! - sorted very quickly with a tow rope and an ancient "proper" 4WD --- an old landrover !

I also have a Volvo AWD thingy - never had any problems   
http://s1193.beta.photobucket.com/us...d5a73.mp4.html

http://s1193.beta.photobucket.com/us...ideo4.mp4.html

 

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