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[BazaJT]

A 33year old woman from Wales has been jailed for "life"[a minimum of 17 years apparently]for beating her 7 year old son to death for failing to memorise passages from the Koran.To try to hide the fact she then set fire to his body.It seems she had to be helped from the dock as she collapsed on hearing the sentence!!So I ask is this justice?I know for sure that my own reply is a resounding NO!!I realise there are differences in culture/upbringing etc.,but I just cannot fathom how any right thinking parent can set to and murder their own child.If it's a so called "honour killing why do those responsible then try to hide their crime?

[Marks DTM Calib]

I just hope they are 17 very hard years

[Sir Tigger KC]

A 33year old woman from Wales has been jailed for "life"[a minimum of 17 years apparently]for beating her 7 year old son to death for failing to memorise passages from the Koran.To try to hide the fact she then set fire to his body.It seems she had to be helped from the dock as she collapsed on hearing the sentence!!So I ask is this justice?I know for sure that my own reply is a resounding NO!!I realise there are differences in culture/upbringing etc.,but I just cannot fathom how any right thinking parent can set to and murder their own child.If it's a so called "honour killing why do those responsible then try to hide their crime?

In theory we are all equal in the eyes of the law, so culture/background should make no difference. 

When capital punishment was abolished it was said that life imprisonment would mean exactly that!! That promise turned out to be just as empty as so many others made to the people of Britain by our less than illustrious leaders..... 

[tigers_gonads]

Different cultures don't come into it imo.
Our country, our rules and this person doesn't deserve to breath in my opinion.

17 years is sweet **** all 
That poor lad will never experience life 

RIP kid 

[cem_devecioglu]

at least she didnt escape with a psychologist report ..
 
 
 
 

[tigers_gonads]

at least she didnt escape with a psychologist report ..

She did play the "domestic abuse / I hear voices" card.

[cem_devecioglu]

at least she didnt escape with a psychologist report ..

She did play the "domestic abuse / I hear voices" card.

there are shed loads people like her.. and honestly I dont know any solution to them.. before anything  a human must carry/be aware  of human values..

[Entwood]

In the UK we no longer have capital punishment.

She has been sentenced to life imprisonment. So, what does that ACTUALLY mean ?? .. and not by random guesses/ quotes from tabloids.

Under UK law it means she is imprisoned until she dies UNLESS a parole board decides she can be released. The Judge must stipulate at the time of sentence the minimum term she has to serve before she is ELIGIBLE for parole. Being eligible does not automatically imply she will get parole.

The Criminal Justice Act 2003 did many things ...among others .... a) It removed from politicians (mainly the Home Secretary) the right to set their own "minimum terms"  b) In order to both guide judges, and give a degree of "standardisation", it set out the minimum terms for various Criminal Acts, c) it provides that if a Judge deviates from these guides he must explain why d) it allows the Appeal Courts to both raise and lower the minimum term "on appeal", and e) Only the Appeal Courts can change the minimum term.

So, under UK Law she has been found guilty and sentenced to Life Imprisonment and the Judge has stipulated she must serve 17 years before she appears before a Parole Board.

Yes.. that IS justice because it is EXACTLY what the Law of the United Kingdom demands.

It might not suit the vigilantes who want her hung, and it might not suit the loveydoveys who want her released as she must be ill...

but it IS what is proscribed by the Law of our Land.

[albitz]

I dont think anyone is arguing the point about her sentence being within guidelines.That does not mean it is just though,in any real meaning of the word to many people,it doesnt seem like "natural justice". As someone once said "the law and justice are distant cousins".
A lot of people would like to see the return of capital punishment. I fail to see how that means they are vigilantes.

[Lazydocker]

It will probably be a minimum of 17 very lonely years... She'll spend most of it in solitary confinement for her own protection 

[tidla]

on a similar note.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-12653060

So a father, who had, little contact with his daughter is now suing the council? Where was he? And what purpose would any payout achieve?

[Sir Tigger KC]

Yes she may well have been sentenced within the law of the land, but what's the betting that she will appeal and the sentence is reduced to 10 years or so.  Thing is we'll never know, as by then it will be old news and the tabloids will have moved on the next outrage! 

Personally I am not in favour of capital punishment as I believe that it provides a quick and easy release for the condemned.  I believe that life imprisonment should be just that, with no minimum tariff, parole or early release for good behaviour.  They should be kept in a bare cell with no PlayStation, computer, or TV and only let out for a minimal period for exercise, ablutions etc  They would have plenty of time to think about their sins and deal with their conscience (if any!) 

[cem_devecioglu]

I just want to share a simple information.. when you are in prison even after a year you will not be the same person.. good or bad..
 
so assuming that a person will be the same evil after 17 years is wrong..
 
 

[albitz]

A Turkish jail is almost certainly a very different place to a British jail though Cem. A workmate of mine served 4 years for GBH a while back and he said the whole experience was similar to staying at a reasonably priced hotel,apart from the fact you cant leave when you want to,which made it mind numbingly boring after a while.The boredom was,to an extent,relieved by acces to TV/Xbox/playstation etc.

[Andy B]

A Turkish jail is almost certainly a very different place to a British jail though Cem.  ....

It's a VERY different place from a British gaol ..... haven't you ever watched Midnight Express?