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No

34 (82.9%)

Yes, when the roads are covered in snow

1 (2.4%)

Yes, from the end of October to the beginning of March

6 (14.6%)

Don't know

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 26

Voting closed: 25 January 2013, 21:19:08

[Lazydocker]

Nope. Tyres are completely irrelevant to the majority of drivers who simply don't have the first idea how to cope with the conditions, so shouldn't be on the road in them, snow tyres or not.

Spot on

I've driven around for 24 hours on the crappiest plastic tyres in the world that were worn to 2mm (max) on the rear of my car and I've had no issues at all, passing stranded 4x4's as well as numerous WWD PooBoxes because I was prepared and had the appropriate things in the back of the car

OK, it was "interesting" at times and they were shockingly slippery in the snow but I managed "The wrong type of car for snow"

When I was working recovery we still had to get out to people, especially if there was an RTA/danger, and the slideback lorries have absolutely zero weight over the rear (drive) axle

What would be far more beneficial would be to put a skid pan course with a test) in as part of learning to drive so that people actually learn how to deal with it

and you have short braking distance too

Minimal difference to braking distance Cem... Rear axle does very little braking

the distance can vary from %25 to %50    depending on the tyres conditions..

Agreed... But you missed my point. I had almost new tyres on the front, where the majority of the braking effort is, and the cheap and knackered crap on the back where there is little braking effort in comparison

[Lazydocker]

And anyway... Awareness of the surroundings and other road users mean you don't need to brake as much And I'm still here and the car's in one piece

[cem_devecioglu]

Nope. Tyres are completely irrelevant to the majority of drivers who simply don't have the first idea how to cope with the conditions, so shouldn't be on the road in them, snow tyres or not.

Spot on

I've driven around for 24 hours on the crappiest plastic tyres in the world that were worn to 2mm (max) on the rear of my car and I've had no issues at all, passing stranded 4x4's as well as numerous WWD PooBoxes because I was prepared and had the appropriate things in the back of the car

OK, it was "interesting" at times and they were shockingly slippery in the snow but I managed "The wrong type of car for snow"

When I was working recovery we still had to get out to people, especially if there was an RTA/danger, and the slideback lorries have absolutely zero weight over the rear (drive) axle

What would be far more beneficial would be to put a skid pan course with a test) in as part of learning to drive so that people actually learn how to deal with it

and you have short braking distance too

Minimal difference to braking distance Cem... Rear axle does very little braking

the distance can vary from %25 to %50    depending on the tyres conditions..

Agreed... But you missed my point. I had almost new tyres on the front, where the majority of the braking effort is, and the cheap and knackered crap on the back where there is little braking effort in comparison

 
ok then..

[Rods2]

Understanding the limits of your vehicle, understanding and experience in different weather conditions, situation awareness and defensive driving are worth IMHO worth much more than winter tyres, ABS etc.

When I used to ride bikes in snow and ice, it was always back wheel braking, you can fish tail down the road but lose the front end and you knew you were going to be dumped in the road. Today I was round my neighbours when the news was on and watching the muppets trying to drive in the snow was comical and also depressing. They don't understand rolling friction is much less than static friction.

So start off gently in a high gear, if on a hill without LSD a small amount of handbrake on a RWD car can help etc. In wet and slippery conditions fast driving is all about smooth driving to keep static friction in charge.

[Vamps]

Understanding the limits of your vehicle, understanding and experience in different weather conditions, situation awareness and defensive driving are worth IMHO worth much more than winter tyres, ABS etc.

When I used to ride bikes in snow and ice, it was always back wheel braking, you can fish tail down the road but lose the front end and you knew you were going to be dumped in the road. Today I was round my neighbours when the news was on and watching the muppets trying to drive in the snow was comical and also depressing. They don't understand rolling friction is much less than static friction.

So start off gently in a high gear, if on a hill without LSD a small amount of handbrake on a RWD car can help etc. In wet and slippery conditions fast driving is all about smooth driving to keep static friction in charge.

Another benefit on an Auto, start off with no throttle and the car will begin to creep at walking pace, take if from there.......

[Terbs]

A poor worker always blames his tools

[Kevin Wood]

Yep, so take a completely inappropriate tool and put your winter tyres on it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iXVYFmnJmno

 

[Andy B]

Too much reliance on modern electrickery to do it for them. You also have to remember that the vast majority of cars are FWD these days & most drivers on the road have never driven a RWD car. 

[OOMV6]

Nope. Tyres are completely irrelevant to the majority of drivers who simply don't have the first idea how to cope with the conditions, so shouldn't be on the road in them, snow tyres or not.

Don't agree at all. Saw a few clips on BBC of cars (FWD) unable to climb very slight gradients. Winter tyres would have seen them complete their journey. Yes, of course, you have to drive according to conditions too.

Also, I do find is odd that, not you necessarily, but some, judge whether winter tyres should be used or not, having no experience driving on them. How can anybody judge without experience? And the comparison with summers.

My option for voting wasn't available, although I voted October to March compulsory. Luxembourg state from October to March, if weather conditions are bad. I.e. If October temperatures are still  deg or so, no need yet.

[Terbs]

Yep, so take a completely inappropriate tool and put your winter tyres on it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iXVYFmnJmno

 

So what are you saying...wear a woolly hat or catch pneumonia!!!!!

[Vamps]

Yep, so take a completely inappropriate tool and put your winter tyres on it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iXVYFmnJmno

 

So what are you saying...wear a woolly hat or catch pneumonia!!!!!

No, old (Style) car, put on 135 tyres on and cut through the snow like we used to do............

[OOMV6]

Furthermore, we had 7 /8 cm of snow the other night. Life just carries on as normal - a little slower but normal. And as Rod2 said, winter tyres are designed to operate best at 7 deg abduction below. So they are not just snow tyres. And the whole cost issue is crap . Although I have said it before. One off investment. Tyres And 4 wheels. The key is they are more effective in low temperature conditions. Perhaps we should call them low temperature tyres

[Sir Tigger KC]

No! No! No! Simple! 

[05omegav6]

I'm still here and the car's in one piece

I take it you now have four working, matching tyres then

Driving a wwd transit tonight, nearly playful, but not as much fun as the Omega in the snow

The 3 rules of winter driving are, in no particular order:

1. Know your limits.
2. Know the cars limits.
3. Drive to the conditions.

[Lazydocker]

I do Al yes. 2 new Enduro's fitted this afternoon for about £127

The difference between them and the no-grips was phenomenal!! Although the no-grips were well worn so not a completely fair comparison