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[dbdb]

dbug have you ever had a black car?  Ever had it sprayed? Ever listened (not same as talking) to a decent sprayer or even a half decent one?  Ever sprayed or painted  a black car yourself?  I have done all of those.  You obviously haven't as any sprayer will tell you black is the easiest. 

There are reasons for that, keeping it simple for you  - black absorbs the entire spectrum, technically it's not a colour,  other colours absorb wavelengths except their own which they reflect, or they refect a comination of wavelengths which give rise to their colour.

I still can't believe you said it, reflects badly on your other 'advice'.  Still time to modify your post perhaps?  

[OmegaAnglesey]

What's with all the bitch fighting talk with everybody dbdb...
I appreciate any and all advice but there's no need to blow a fuse about it. 

[dbdb]

yes I'm trying to ignore dbug as advised but it is difficult when TBx is being talked

[dbug]

dbug have you ever had a black car?  Ever had it sprayed? Ever listened (not same as talking) to a decent sprayer or even a half decent one?  Ever sprayed or painted  a black car yourself?  I have done all of those.  You obviously haven't as any sprayer will tell you black is the easiest. 

There are reasons for that, keeping it simple for you  - black absorbs the entire spectrum, technically it's not a colour,  other colours absorb wavelengths except their own which they reflect, or they refect a comination of wavelengths which give rise to their colour.

I still can't believe you said it, reflects badly on your other 'advice'.  Still time to modify your post perhaps?

Yep have had a couple of black cars and ended up respraying them both completely as matching was difficult.  My mate helped throughout - he was a professional sprayer, licenced as a RR repairer, and was working at the time as Technical Manager for Glasurit - part of his job was training sprayers.

I've resprayed lots of cars and do understand colour matching.

Of course I talk like an idiot - how else would you understand me?

[Broomies Mate]

I think you girls need to get a room!   

The constant patter is getting boring.   

[OmegaAnglesey]

I think you girls need to get a room!   

The constant patter is getting boring.   

+1

[cem_devecioglu]

we must clarify a subject..  a shiny black wont stay as it is .. and it will fade to very dark gray color in different shades depending on the dye quality.. 

[OmegaAnglesey]

Well its been interesting with the Black paint talk.. But Back to the topic "rust treatment and protector"

Has anyone had any good experiences with any of the rust products in the links in the original post ?
In particular this one.
 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bilt-Hamber-Deox-Gel-Rust-Remover-Gelled-Corrosion-Remover-1000ml-bottle-/181097618429?pt=UK_Car_Accessories_Car_Care_Cleaning&hash=item2a2a425bfd

[Sir Tigger KC]

I did a bit of bodywork on The Merc.... 

I've no idea what the paint code or name is, but it's dark blue!    So after whacking the angle grinder into the rust, treatment with rust killer and a bit of filler where required, I mixed up some Royal Blue and Black Hammerite until I thought it was about right!!    Didn't think of using a test card, so slapped it on and hoped for the best!!! 

When it's covered with road grime it looks great from 5 or 10 metres with the sun in my eyes!!!   

[holtender]

I worked as a professinal PanelBeater/Sprayer back in the  70's and 80's, don't ever remember much trouble matching black, I remember the original metallic colours Blue Mink and Silver Fox which was used on Mk2 Cortinas and Zodiacs, the problem we had with these was that Ford had so many varieties of shade, which got much worse as the years rolled on and they brought out new Metallic colours like Oyster Gold ect.

Getting the right match was an art form, you become very skilfull with subtle changes of colour.

 Not sure how it is all done these days, but spraying a black car was always the most difficult because every imperfection showed up, so preperation had to be perfect.

[ted_one]

Just a quick comment on Halfrauds paint,I tried their star silver 2 on a fairly recently painted car and it was a poor match,likewise the glacier white.Better to go to a local trade supplier of who many will mix the correct colour for your code and supply it in a rattle can.That way you know it's fresh and not been sitting on shelf for an unknown period at Halfrauds

[dbug]

Well its been interesting with the Black paint talk.. But Back to the topic "rust treatment and protector"

Has anyone had any good experiences with any of the rust products in the links in the original post ?
In particular this one.
 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bilt-Hamber-Deox-Gel-Rust-Remover-Gelled-Corrosion-Remover-1000ml-bottle-/181097618429?pt=UK_Car_Accessories_Car_Care_Cleaning&hash=item2a2a425bfd

Thats one of the better ones mate imo

[dbdb]

Well its been interesting with the Black paint talk.. But Back to the topic "rust treatment and protector"

Has anyone had any good experiences with any of the rust products in the links in the original post ?
In particular this one.
 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bilt-Hamber-Deox-Gel-Rust-Remover-Gelled-Corrosion-Remover-1000ml-bottle-/181097618429?pt=UK_Car_Accessories_Car_Care_Cleaning&hash=item2a2a425bfd

There are two general types of rust treatment (well three if you include the primers) . That one is a rust remover - they all work pretty well and just do what they say - chemically remove the rust.  Great for dipping items in or where you can get at all the rust. Leave it a day and the rust will re-appear so prime it quickly, and take care to remove all the gel first.  Vactan and others like Fertan, and others I forget, don't remove rust they convert it to a compound that will not rust when primed and painted over.   Advantage is you only have to remove the surface rust,  you don't  remove the Vactan and you don't have to prime immediately. In fact you can paint directly onto the Vactan coat.  Drawback is Vactan doesn't stick as well to existing paint or clean steel as a primer but it's close.  When I had a black car Vactan was great because you could put it directly on a clean rust spot - no sanding at all, and it would  stop it and hide it.  Oh and colour matching was so easy in those days

[Auto Addict]

None of this bickering is helpful to the OP!

[cem_devecioglu]

there are 2 ways to do a job..  either you try your best with a proper job or a bodge..
 
priming and painting with the correct color + laquer  must be the preferred method imo..
 
and as for rust removing chemicals, if the rust is not that deep I would prefer sanding
and later clean the surface with cleaning thinners.. and prime it with epoxy..
 
if it is deep its a cut & weld job I'm afraid.. (and must note welding regions are more prone to rust as you heat the metal and dont quench it properly)
 
and I'm not sure any primer will like the surface covered with rust removing chemicals..