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[cem_devecioglu]

is just a friggin damn lie..   
 

What? You mean you only just worked this out? 

 

[cleggy]

It's all over the news here Cem, seems to be a disgrace the PM saying that the developement will go ahead no matter what.... Democracy my arse

[cem_devecioglu]

It's all over the news here Cem, seems to be a disgrace the PM saying that the developement will go ahead no matter what.... Democracy my arse

 
PM.. he is the center and the cause of problem.. who commands the police to be violent.. thinks he is the emperor..   

[omega3000]

 The people have no say anymore , its the same here 

[cem_devecioglu]

The people have no say anymore , its the same here 

I dont think UK police can be this much violent, may be very few exceptions..     but ours shoot those tear gas capsules aiming peoples head.. and pressurized water on face directly because they are specially selected with same political views as govt.. and they treat people  like enemies..

[cem_devecioglu]

some interesting moments

http://fotogaleri.gazetevatan.com/taksimde-bu-sabah/28169/2/Haber

[Rods2]

Sorry Cem I didn't get very far as this caught my eye instead!! 

http://fotogaleri.gazetevatan.com/hz-peinde-kouyor/28161/1/Spor

 

You have got me on this one with democracy. I'm spoilt for choice on which of these voluptuous women to vote for. 

All politicians and governments when they go too far and don't take the majority of the population with them, especially if it involves repressive moves, will at some point see and feel the wrath of the majority where they have had enough. At some point this will happen in the Euro countries where the youth will have nothing to lose with their 50%+ and rising unemployment and no prospects.  The 25%+ unemployment and no prospects for the over 25s is no barrel of laughs either.

Are they rioting in Turkey due to your authoritarian government or is there more to it?

[cem_devecioglu]

Sorry Cem I didn't get very far as this caught my eye instead!! 

http://fotogaleri.gazetevatan.com/hz-peinde-kouyor/28161/1/Spor

 

You have got me on this one with democracy. I'm spoilt for choice on which of these voluptuous women to vote for. 

All politicians and governments when they go too far and don't take the majority of the population with them, especially if it involves repressive moves, will at some point see and feel the wrath of the majority where they have had enough. At some point this will happen in the Euro countries where the youth will have nothing to lose with their 50%+ and rising unemployment and no prospects.  The 25%+ unemployment and no prospects for the over 25s is no barrel of laughs either.

Are they rioting in Turkey due to your authoritarian government or is there more to it?

 religious authoritarian.. and there are more things which adds up..

one interesting contradictory moment today ;

while prime minster was taking a reward from world health organization for implementing non smoking areas at the same moment the whole city was under tear gas smoke and some areas were in fire

[cem_devecioglu]

I think this move prooves the intention..    one protestor is killed under the vehicle.. thats a murder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=h_0AoL72Evw

[Sir Tigger KC]

It said in an article on the BBC that Erdogan will try to change the Turkish constitution to allow him to stand again for election.  I assume that the constitution allows for 2 terms only for 5 or 6 years?   

I find this sort of thing totally depressing and is the behaviour of a power hungry African dictator.    There is more to these protests than a park...

[cem_devecioglu]

It said in an article on the BBC that Erdogan will try to change the Turkish constitution to allow him to stand again for election.  I assume that the constitution allows for 2 terms only for 5 or 6 years? 

I find this sort of thing totally depressing and is the behaviour of a power hungry African dictator.     There is more to these protests than a park...

definitely..  they are are trying to change the constitution according to their desires..
 
however, things may change!
 
definitely worth watching   look how my citizens fight against police and take their shields
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iKVj7rgbTQ

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I have been watching this thread with great interest Cem, without getting involved in another serious political debate which seems to be out of fashion, for very good reasons, here on the OOF.

All I would do then Cem is express my sincere sadness for what is happening in your great country.  Although I will confess to not knowing much at all about the politics in Turkey, despite covering the topic at Uni, and knowing your country is 99% Muslim controlled, but trying to be a secular state, I know what is happening is very wrong.

Turkey is though going through a tremendous change, like so much of the Middle East, I believe, but is still entrenched in the beliefs of 500 years ago (?) again like so much of the Middle East! It is going through changes that in fact Europe, and Great Britain, went through many years ago.  The Otterman Empire of course pre-ceded the British Empire, seeing off the last of the Roman Empire in 1453, and you would have thought would progressed in the art of democracy far earlier than many other countries, including Britain.  But alas, democracy does not seem to have completely 'cooked' in the oven yet and is some way off.  That is very sad for the Turkish people, and the world at large.  The dream I have of Turkey being the 'bridge' for the East to link West, with the great advantages that would mean, seems a long way off.

In general though, especially to my fellow Brits, I would say that "we" in Great Britain, and the people of western Europe, enjoy a level of democracy never before witnessed in World history.  We, the common people, actually have more say in our affairs than ever before.  Our opinions do count, and influence our politicians as best as we can in a Representative Democracy.  To compare Turkish democracy as being at the British level, or visa versa, is frankly a nonsense.

I will finally quote, once more, the great man and the subject of democracy; Winston Churchill.  He gave that wonderful speech:

“No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise.  Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time”

Winston Churchill 11th November 1947

It is still all very true!
 

[cem_devecioglu]

Lizzie, thanks for your interest.. 
 
cant predict the reaction of west on Turkeys current situation, however, if west govts especially USA, didnt support current govt both financially and politically (which I hardly can grasp the truth)  , those people would never become a govt here in the first place.. 
 
and as for democracy.. there is 2 different Turkey actually..  one is well educated with west standards and living by west standards and do believe in democracy which you can compare to Britain democracy , and the other with no standards with an actual east way of thinking.. Unfortunately west supported this east head before
 
 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Lizzie, thanks for your interest.. 
 
cant predict the reaction of west on Turkeys current situation, however, if west govts especially USA, didnt support current govt both financially and politically (which I hardly can grasp the truth)  , those people would never become a govt here in the first place.. 
 
and as for democracy.. there is 2 different Turkey actually..  one is well educated with west standards and living by west standards and do believe in democracy which you can compare to Britain democracy , and the other with no standards with an actual east way of thinking.. Unfortunately west supported this east head before

Thanks Cem for that information!

As for the USA, under President Obama, it is becoming increasingly isolationist and will involve itself far less in other people's wars / arguments (as per their Constitution)  and will happily accept less influence "on the ground", instead using diplomacy to achieve their political aims.

Some will say this is a good thing, others not, but whatever it is their decision and the rest of the world must now get on and resolve their issues, as so many of the western countries did in the past, on their own.

[cem_devecioglu]

Lizzie, thanks for your interest.. 
 
cant predict the reaction of west on Turkeys current situation, however, if west govts especially USA, didnt support current govt both financially and politically (which I hardly can grasp the truth)  , those people would never become a govt here in the first place.. 
 
and as for democracy.. there is 2 different Turkey actually..  one is well educated with west standards and living by west standards and do believe in democracy which you can compare to Britain democracy , and the other with no standards with an actual east way of thinking.. Unfortunately west supported this east head before

Thanks Cem for that information!

As for the USA, under President Obama, it is becoming increasingly isolationist and will involve itself far less in other people's wars / arguments (as per their Constitution)  and will happily accept less influence "on the ground", instead using diplomacy to achieve their political aims.

Some will say this is a good thing, others not, but whatever it is their decision and the rest of the world must now get on and resolve their issues, as so many of the western countries did in the past, on their own.

we could, if left on our own
 
and I think, we demonstrated a very good example in history despite all west armies